What About Antivirus on Vista?

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billhersch

Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Thanks,

--Bill
 
Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Vista doens't get viruses.

jim
 
Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Neither Norton or McAfee are recommended - they are both dreadful. I
like NOD32, Kaspersky, or Avast if you want a free one. The built-in
Windows Firewall is adequate for most people. Vista has Windows Defender
(antispyware) built in.


Malke
 
Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Thanks,

--Bill
Yes, your head is swimming so much that you posted a Vista question to an XP
newsgroup. However, I suspect that the usual list would include Kaspersky,
Nod32, AVG, and AVAST.
It would not include Norton or McAfee.

I should mention that these programs are all antivirus detectors. You would
also need things like Spybot and Adaware.

I suspect that MS would recommend their own products.

Jim
 
Vista-specific newsgroups include:

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
microsoft.public.windows.vista.administration_account
microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
**microsoft.public.windows.vista.security**

Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/computer/default.mspx

Learn how to protect your PC by taking three simple steps
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3AD23728-4973-4DA5-9836-602954130D38
 
I also like NOD32....but no antispyware with it.

You could try Spysweeper with Antivirus at www.webroot.com. Only $58 for 2
years and handles both viruses and spyware automatically. (Spysweeper uses
Sophos technology for antivirus - Sophos consistently scores well on Virus
Bulletin.)

jim
 
Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Thanks,

--Bill


The latest PC Magazins thinks Norton Internet Security 2008 is
the best all-in-one suite for anti-virus/anti-malware, anti-rootkits,
anti-keyloggers and firewall. For anti-spam and parental control,
get a good ISP and live parents.

*TimDaniels*
 
It even needs protection from Microsoft... Just in case you haven't heard,
Vista PCs have been de-activating when a user does something as simple and
neccessary as updating devide drivers.

Check out this article (found at
http://apcmag.com:80/vista_activation/)..... (I'll also post it in the Vista
group for those folks)

_________________________________________________
WARNING: device driver updates causing Vista to deactivate - by James Bannan
After weeks of gruelling troubleshooting, I've finally had it confirmed by
Microsoft Australia and USA -- something as small as swapping the video card
or updating a device driver can trigger a total Vista deactivation.

Put simply, your copy of Windows will stop working with very little notice
(three days) and your PC will go into "reduced functionality" mode, where
you can't do anything but use the web browser for half an hour.

You'll then need to reapply to Microsoft to get a new activation code.

How can this crazy situation occur? Read on for the sorry tale.

The Problem
Just over a month ago I swapped over the graphics card on my Vista Ultimate
box. There were some new DirectX 10-based titles out and I couldn't get the
benefit on my old DirectX 9 card. The swap-over went well and I went on my
merry gaming way.

Then a few days ago I got a Windows Activation prompt - I had three days to
activate Windows or I'd be bumped back to RFM (Reduced Functionality Mode).
What the? My copy of Vista was activated, and a graphics card change shouldn't
have triggered deactivation... surely!

I was able to reactivate easily enough, although as the product key was
already in use (by me!) I couldn't reactivate automatically, but had to
speak to a Microsoft customer service representative.

I got the code easily enough, but it didn't explain why Vista had
deactivated, so I got in touch with Microsoft about the problem.

They sent me some special utilities to run which gathered the history of
hardware changes on that machine since activation, and it turns out that my
disk controller had changed, so the graphics card change was the final
change which tripped deactivation.

The only problem? I had never changed my disk controller at any point.
Apparently because I had upgraded the Intel Matrix Storage Manager
application, this was reported as a major hardware change event.

On their own, neither event was enough to trigger deactivation, but
cumulatively they were.

The Activation Process
The documentation is still being updated by Microsoft, but the activation
process for Windows Vista and Volume Activation 2.0 is essentially unchanged
from Windows XP, except that with Vista it's supposed to be more tolerant.

When the machine is first activated, Windows establishes a baseline based on
the installed hardware, but interestingly the information is not gathered
from hardware IDs (which are not necessarily unique), but from hardware
information as reported by device drivers. Any changes away from this
baseline are weighted depending on the change (for example, a new CPU counts
much higher than new RAM) and once the baseline threshold is passed, Windows
deactivates and a new activation request is generated.

The problem with using device drivers as the basis for activation
information is that a change in the driver model which has the result of
changing the way that the hardware information is reported back to Windows
can be enough to register as a physical hardware change.

For example, if you install and activate Vista using some Microsoft drivers
downloaded from Windows Update (which is a very common practice) but then
discover that a manufacturer driver gives better functionality (as is often
the case for audio, video, storage and network drivers) you are running the
risk that the drivers use different reporting models and will register as a
physical change.

So what this essentially means is that keeping your drivers up-to-date is a
potentially very risky process, with all changes monitored and changes
weighted cumulatively.

The Problem with Activation
As most tech enthusiasts would be aware, activation (and particularly Volume
Activation 2.0 which is applied to every version of Vista available), is
designed for one thing - to curb piracy.

The idea is that Windows monitors the hardware it's installed on, and if you
create an image of an activated machine and drop it onto another system, it
will re-register the hardware serial number changes (via the drivers) and
realise that it's been installed on a different system.

Of course, Microsoft needs to be able to protect its software. Piracy of
Microsoft products is rampant and while many people find that amusing,
no-one denies the company's right to do something about it. However, it hasn't
worked. At least, it would have worked for Vista had not Microsoft bowed to
pressure from OEMs to allow an activation loophole, which was quickly
exploited.

Volume Activation 2.0 has not yet been cracked, but now it doesn't need to
be. There's an official workaround for OEMs and the result is that anyone
with a few minutes to spare can download a fully-functional pirated copy of
Vista Ultimate (32-bit and 64-bit versions) which needs neither product key
nor activation.

So pirates haven't been slowed down at all, and the rest of us -- the
legitimate purchasers -- are left to live with Windows Activation. You
really need to ask the question - who's benefiting here? Certainly not
users, and given the amount of discontent this is likely to cause, arguably
not Microsoft either.

In its attempts to combat piracy, Microsoft has created a system which doesn't
focus on the problem correctly. After all, how do you define piracy? At its
most basic level, piracy occurs when you install software on a machine when
you aren't licensed to do so. But the Windows Activation model isn't
designed to address this particular problem - as far as Windows Activation
is concerned, there's no difference between someone who tries to image two
machines with the same activated version of Windows, and a legitimate user
who wants to upgrade their system.

If you buy a retail version of Vista, as long as you're not breaking the
terms of the license, then surely it's none of Microsoft's business what you
do with that software. Legitimate users shouldn't be monitored and
inconvenienced to this extent.

The Solution?
There's no denying that Windows Activation has a serious image problem. Not
only is it inconvenient and cumbersome, but it creates a very strong
impression in the user's mind that Microsoft doesn't really want to give you
the software you paid for.

There are things going on under the hood which have nothing to do with you
and which you're not privy to, and, as I found out, it will affect you if
you make an innocent wrong move such as updating too many device drivers.

Additionally, it has been completely bypassed by pirates, so the one group
it's aimed at is sailing blissfully past in a wonderful world where
activation doesn't exist.

At the very least, Microsoft needs to empower users in relation to
activation, by involving them a bit more. Perhaps users could have a way of
monitoring their cumulative changes, or maybe there could be some method
where you could be informed when installing a device driver that it is
contributing to your activation totals.

Ultimately, what annoys users more than anything is having something forced
on them, and Windows Activation is absolutely one of those areas which
causes a great deal of frustration and outrage.

APC has passed all this feedback back to Microsoft, which, to its credit, is
taking the situation very seriously and has Vista developers working on a
solution.

Apparently there are changes underway to make the whole experience more
user-friendly. We certainly hope so. It's absolutely in Microsoft's interest
to make those changes as widely known as possible. We'll post information
about that once it's available.

_________________________________________________


Pretty soon we may see a new verb in our vernacular...

vis.ta'd pronounced [vis-tuhd]
-verb
1. to be taken advantage of by a larger, more powerful adversary.
2. to be victimized through theft by deception.
3. to be forced into a situation by a monopoly, dictator or government
power.


jim
 
That article has nothing to do with anti virus or the fact operating
systems need them.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


jim said:
It even needs protection from Microsoft... Just in case you haven't
heard, Vista PCs have been de-activating when a user does something
as simple and neccessary as updating devide drivers.

Check out this article (found at
http://apcmag.com:80/vista_activation/)..... (I'll also post it in
the Vista group for those folks)

SNIPPED...
 
Hi,

I am worried about things like spam, phishing and general antivirus --
anyone have recommendations on the best one for a newbie Vista user?
Does Microsoft have any recommended vendors?

I've heard of things like Norton and McAfee and some others like CA,
but my head is swimming when I try to understand this stuff.

Forget about the retail versions of Norton and McAfee!

There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has
his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av
application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other
brand.
The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed
here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better
for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.
The way you use your PC is different from others.
Have a look at this:
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
and be guided accordingly.
Good info can be obtained here:
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/category.aspx?bcatid=1183&tabid=1&dl=1
http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20
and here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/

Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.
Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
In fact, most of experts (incl. Norton) believe that scanning incoming and
outgoing mail causes e-mail file corruption.

Avira AntiVir® PersonalEdition Classic - Free
http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html

Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
(Choose Custom Installation and under Resident
Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)

AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
http://free.grisoft.com/

ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free
http://www.eset.com/
Have you seen these "extra settings for NOD32"?
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=37509

On-demand AV application.
(add it to your arsenal and use it as a "second opinion" av scanner).
BitDefender10 Free Edition
http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-14-en--BitDefender-8-Free-Edition.html

A-S applications - for non-viral malware.

The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
another may miss, (grab'em all).

SuperAntispyware - Free
http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html

Ad-Aware - Free
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html

Spybot Search & Destroy - Free
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
Interesting reading:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html
"...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects
changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about
the actual threat."

A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for
"malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of
malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.
What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the
term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware
and adware.

Some more useful applications:
Spyware Blaster - Free
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

Rootkit Revealer - Free
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.mspx

Crap Cleaner - Free
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck "Windows Defender".

CW Shredder - Free
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/CWShredder.shtml

You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil.
http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html

Jesper's Blogs-
At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx
Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista?
http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx

Exploring The Windows Firewall.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx
"If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already
compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what you
ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a
gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall."

Vista Firewall Control.
Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing
activity, controls applications internet access.
http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/

Good luck :)
 
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