Weirdest Thing - HELP

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BigJon

I never thought I'd see the day that I'd have to make a post on a
newsgroup to find an answer, but for once in my 9-year career as a
part-time self-employed PC Technician, I have to admit I'm stumped. So,
I thought I'd throw the problem out to all of the readers of this NG to
see if anyone has experienced this problem, or if they have any
suggestions. OK, here goes nothing:

I have a customer who bought a computer from me about a year ago. The
specs are as follows:

AMD Sempron 3100+ (Socket 754)
PC-Chips M871G micro-ATX Motherboard
512MB Kingston PC3200 DDR Memory
300-Watt Power Supply
Western Digital 250GB Serial ATA HD
Western Digital 250GB IDE HD
Mitsumi 3½" Floppy
Sony 16X DVD-ROM
Sony 16X DVD±RW
Video, Ethernet, and Audio are all on-board.

The problem is this: The CMOS on the motherboard keeps resetting itself
randomly. There is no rhyme or reason as to when it will happen. It
may work for one day and not reset, it could work for over a week and
not reset. Initially, there was an ASUS motherboard in the system, and
it would usually hold its settings, but the CMOS battery would go dead
in just a few months. I swapped the ASUS board for the PC-Chips. This
is when the random CMOS resets started happening. I reported the
problem to my vendor and their tech told me the board was bad, so he did
a like-for-like exchange. This was back in January. Then, as my lack
of luck would have it, my customer called me yesterday WITH THE EXACT
SAME PROBLEM, YET AGAIN. Now, I have trouble believing that 3 boards in
a row could be defective. My logic leads me to think it's either
something wrong with the CPU, or the power supply. The weird thing is,
the computer runs fine when you turn it on and boot into Windows XP. No
lock-ups, no weird behavior, nothing...solid as a rock. But, if you
shut it down, that's where the game of Russian-Roulette with the CMOS
begins. It may reset, it may not...the only way to tell is to see if it
will actually boot up when you try to turn it on the next day. (When
the CMOS resets, it removes the SATA HD as the primary boot device, and
so it just freezes up after the POST screen)

Does ANYONE have a clue as to what is causing this? My vendor thinks
that my power supply theory is probably correct, but before I go
swapping more things out, I would like to know if my logic is sound, or
if I'm losing my mind.

Thanks in advance to anyone with some insight on this frustrating issue!

Jon
 
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Noozer

The problem is this: The CMOS on the motherboard keeps resetting itself
randomly. There is no rhyme or reason as to when it will happen.

- A standoff under the mainboard causing a short circuit?

- Poorly grounded PC?

- Virus that attacks the CMOS settings? You wouldn't notice until the next
boot.

The CMOS battery doesn't recharge, so I don't think it's the PSU. I have
seen weird stuff from flakey PSU's so I might swap it just to see what
happens.
 
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TecXpert

I think Noozer has the right idea.

Try taking the components out of the case - use the static bag from the
mainboard to keep it from shorting out on your work surface. Start the
system like that and see if your problem persists.
Trying a different P/S is a good idea too.
There are a few viruses out there that attack the BIOS, so you could also
try putting in a blank drive, load from scratch and see if it goes away.
Make sure you remove any devices/cards you don't need during the
troubleshooting process.
If all of that fails swap out memory and CPU if possible.

Good Luck
 
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Tim

I had an issue just like this: CPU
I swapped evrything out of the mb new cmos battery....eveything.....it was
my poor athlon xp 2500...new processor everything fine since
 
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BigJon

(This response is to everyone who replied, not just to Tim)

I hope I'm not jumping to conclusions or jinxing anything, but I think
that it was a combination of 2 things causing the problem:

I changed out the power supply and took it back to my customer. He
called me the very next day and said his computer wasn't booting up
again. I brought his PC home with me and went right into the CMOS.
What was different was that the boot order was the ONLY thing that was
changed this time. (Previously, EVERYTHING was returning to default)
At this point, it dawned on me, and I gave myself a virtual kick in the
arse for being so unobservant previously) I suddenly recalled that he
had 2 external USB hard drives plugged into the front USB ports. To
test this theory, I plugged up my 1GB flash drive, turned on the PC, and
VOILA, it would not boot. (I got the "Missing Operating System" error,
as the PC was trying to boot to my flash drive. I wanted to smack
myself in the forehead and yell, "DUH!!") I unplugged my flash drive,
reset the boot order to the correct settings, and it worked. I am
currently leaving his PC off for awhile to make sure the settings stay
put this time. I think the problem is solved, but I'll know for sure
very soon.

I still appreciate everyone's input very much! :)

BigJon
 
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CBFalconer

BigJon said:
.... snip ...

I changed out the power supply and took it back to my customer.
He called me the very next day and said his computer wasn't
booting up again. I brought his PC home with me and went right
into the CMOS. What was different was that the boot order was the
ONLY thing that was changed this time. (Previously, EVERYTHING
was returning to default) At this point, it dawned on me, and I
gave myself a virtual kick in the arse for being so unobservant
previously) I suddenly recalled that he had 2 external USB hard
drives plugged into the front USB ports. To test this theory, I
plugged up my 1GB flash drive, turned on the PC, and VOILA, it
would not boot. (I got the "Missing Operating System" error, as
the PC was trying to boot to my flash drive. I wanted to smack
myself in the forehead and yell, "DUH!!") I unplugged my flash
drive, reset the boot order to the correct settings, and it
worked. I am currently leaving his PC off for awhile to make
sure the settings stay put this time. I think the problem is
solved, but I'll know for sure very soon.

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