we have linux

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Mr said:
I don't know enough to speak linux speak. by the way i have found 2 of
the
groups and posted there too. I need all the terminology translated into
windows speak though.
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Don't worry. The best place for you, if you're using SuSE, is
alt.os.linux.suse. There are some great guys there, namely Kevin Nathan,
Houghi, and MJT (Michael J. Tobbler). Tobbler has actually written a few
well known book on Linux. Just put 'Newbie: " before your subject and
they'll treat you with kid gloves.

However, like all newsgroups, you should visit http://groups.google.com and
search for your questions. There probably has been others that ask the very
same questions and you can lookup in the groups histories the answers that
were given. That saves from people answering the same questions over and
over again.
 
Ruel Smith said:
For Linux, you should really consider getting a LAN card and hooking it up
via a router. It can be done with USB modems, as a few are supported, but
the easiest way is to connect your modem to a router, then connect the
router to an ethernet connection on your computer. Then, the computer sees
the connection as a constant LAN connection and sets everything up that
way.
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I have been considering routers for a while. a broadband one is different
to an adsl one. there are also b and g modems to choose from then there are
the brands to choose from. I suppose a good brand that does cable and adsl
as well as wireless b and g is stupidly expensive?
 
Mr Jessop said:
thank you so much, very very very useful indeed. Already posting to
alt.os.linux.
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didn't get a reply from alt.linux.suse but did from alt.os.linux suse. so
unsubscribe from one. So the one i'm using is the one you recommended i
believe.
 
Andy said:
ooops! I was thinking that the default desktop manager in Suse was Gnome,
my mistake.

Andy
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Woops. I forgot about Gnome because I always begin with KDE.

You can set it up either way.
 
Mr said:
I have been considering routers for a while. a broadband one is different
to an adsl one. there are also b and g modems to choose from then there are
the brands to choose from. I suppose a good brand that does cable and adsl
as well as wireless b and g is stupidly expensive?
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What I did was get a wireless NAT router and then put the DSL modem on the
WAN port. That way you can change one or the other without having to redo
the whole thing.

Only problem I had was the D-Link wireless router doesn't like my linksys 5
port switch at ALL. Perpetually negotiates/drops the link. Moved them
around so my the D-link wireless router goes into a D-link 8 port switch
feeding the linksys 5 port switches and that works fine.
 
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Mr said:
I have been considering routers for a while. a broadband one is different
to an adsl one. there are also b and g modems to choose from then there are
the brands to choose from. I suppose a good brand that does cable and adsl
as well as wireless b and g is stupidly expensive?
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Use a router that is separate from the broadband modem. Connect the two
by ethernet. That means your old modem won't work since it has only
USB. You can always find networking gear cheap or even free at
techbargains.com.
 
Matt said:
Use a router that is separate from the broadband modem. Connect the two
by ethernet. That means your old modem won't work since it has only USB.
You can always find networking gear cheap or even free at
techbargains.com.
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Free?

Anyway what makes you think my usb/ethernet cable modem won't work?

can i get routers that aren't adsl or cable/dsl designated? I foraged
around toys r us and the guy suggested the cable/dsl wireless g router. I
asked if this would allow me access to both my pcs or is it an internet
sharing device. He says its internet only.

Is it possible to buy or wireless access point or summit so that i can share
all features with my laptop? i'm currently using two b standard wireless
adapters for a peer to peer arrangement with xp. This however won't allow
any security and is also extremely unstable.
 
Mr said:
Free?

Anyway what makes you think my usb/ethernet cable modem won't work?

can i get routers that aren't adsl or cable/dsl designated? I foraged
around toys r us and the guy suggested the cable/dsl wireless g router. I
asked if this would allow me access to both my pcs or is it an internet
sharing device. He says its internet only.
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I don't know what you mean by "adsl or cable/dsl designated" but I used my
D-Link 614+ as simply a local LAN switch and wireless access point before I
had DSL.

The toys r us fellah apparently doesn't know squat about them. NAT
(internet sharing), and probably a firewall, is active on the dsl/cable
modem port but the rest of it, LAN and wireless access point, is simply
local LAN and wireless access. Nothing 'special'. You just don't use the
WAN port when there's no modem connected to it.
Is it possible to buy or wireless access point or summit so that i can share
all features with my laptop? i'm currently using two b standard wireless
adapters for a peer to peer arrangement with xp. This however won't allow
any security and is also extremely unstable.
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They all will.

But your questions are also confusing. You talk about your cable modem and
then ask about routers that don't connect to one.

If you're looking for a way to connect it 'all together' then you want a
dsl/cable modem router with wireless access and connect thusly:

wired
cable modem <--> dsl/cable modem +---> PC1
wireless router |
| +---> PC2
| |
~ +---> PC3
wireless
~ ~ ~
| | |
PC4 PC5 PC6

NAT and firewall active on the modem port with the router IP as the default
gateway, which will be done automatically if you use the built in DHCP and
set all the clients to automatic configuration via DHCP.

Everybody on the wired and wireless local LAN will be able to talk to each
other without restriction, unless you set some in the clients themselves.
And they'll all have independent (meaning nothing but the modem and router
need be powered up) internet access through the router's NAT.

There are reports of various modems having problems with certain routers so
it would be a good idea to check with your modem manufacturer's web site to
see if they have any recommendations/warnings about that.
 
David Maynard said:
I don't know what you mean by "adsl or cable/dsl designated" but I used my
D-Link 614+ as simply a local LAN switch and wireless access point before
I had DSL.

The toys r us fellah apparently doesn't know squat about them. NAT
(internet sharing), and probably a firewall, is active on the dsl/cable
modem port but the rest of it, LAN and wireless access point, is simply
local LAN and wireless access. Nothing 'special'. You just don't use the
WAN port when there's no modem connected to it.


They all will.

But your questions are also confusing. You talk about your cable modem and
then ask about routers that don't connect to one.

If you're looking for a way to connect it 'all together' then you want a
dsl/cable modem router with wireless access and connect thusly:

wired
cable modem <--> dsl/cable modem +---> PC1
wireless router |
| +---> PC2
| |
~ +---> PC3
wireless
~ ~ ~
| | |
PC4 PC5 PC6

NAT and firewall active on the modem port with the router IP as the
default gateway, which will be done automatically if you use the built in
DHCP and set all the clients to automatic configuration via DHCP.

Everybody on the wired and wireless local LAN will be able to talk to each
other without restriction, unless you set some in the clients themselves.
And they'll all have independent (meaning nothing but the modem and router
need be powered up) internet access through the router's NAT.

There are reports of various modems having problems with certain routers
so it would be a good idea to check with your modem manufacturer's web
site to see if they have any recommendations/warnings about that.
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well he was really a glorified toy salesman. I asked about support or is it
buy it and get on with it.

he said b i a g o w it! harumph!

as for my question regarding routers i'm sure LANs existed before the
internet or am i thinking intelligent switches? and basic networking hubs.
router is simply a WAN. A WAN is simply a LAN with bolt on internet access
too?

Don't mind me i'm babbling ;)
 
Mr said:
well he was really a glorified toy salesman. I asked about support or is it
buy it and get on with it.

he said b i a g o w it! harumph!

as for my question regarding routers i'm sure LANs existed before the
internet
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Well, yes, depending on what you mean but LAN doesn't necessarily mean IP
and there used to be a lot of 'LAN' protocols. IP is now the most common
because of the internet.
or am i thinking intelligent switches? and basic networking hubs.
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Those too.
router is simply a WAN.
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No, a router is a device that does routing, not a 'WAN'.

In a 'simple' network (like a typical home LAN) everything goes everywhere
and every computer sees it but when there's literally millions of computers
(becomes necessary long before that) doing so would instantly swamp any
network medium so you want things only going to their 'destination'. E.g.
There's no reason for Bangkok to see packets sent from Boise to Boston.
That means segmenting the network, figuring out routes, and sending via
those routes.

A router looks at the packets and, if they're destined for something on
it's network segment, forwards them to the correct port/next router.
A WAN is simply a LAN with bolt on internet access
too?
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No, a WAN is a "Wide Area Network," of which the internet is one, and the
one a consumer dsl/cable modem/router would generally mean on it's 'WAN
port' label, since that's what it's customarily used for, but anyone can
make a WAN and large companies often do.

Typical ethernet has limits on how many routers/hubs can be chained and
cable length restrictions significantly shorter than 'world wide' so WANs
present new problems vs local LANs; hence the distinction.
 
JAD said:
Linux has done its job................. turned a decent guy into a
babbling newsnet poster... time for the 12 step program or an
intervention.
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Not clear that Linux was the cause ...
 
Matt said:
You wrote:


hmmm
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contradicted myself there. The second statement is true and i meant that.

What i meant by the no built in adapter i can't remember. thats what i get
for drinking before and during posting i suppose. I probably meant network
hub or wireless adapter it does of course have an ethernet port which whilst
drunk i didn't consider to be an adapter.
 
Mr said:
contradicted myself there. The second statement is true and i meant that.

What i meant by the no built in adapter i can't remember. thats what i get
for drinking before and during posting i suppose. I probably meant network
hub or wireless adapter it does of course have an ethernet port which whilst
drunk i didn't consider to be an adapter.
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Then put away the bottle and get a router (wired or wireless). Connect
it to your modem by twisted-pair ethernet.
 
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