VS2005 NOT Compatiblke with Vista? Are you serious?!

J

Jim Hubbard

Second half did not show - lets try breaking it into 2 parts.......

Part IIb
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I would point out that the developers are not MS's customers, the large
corporations are. However, they will not succeed as well w/o our
cooperation, and they know it, because developers help drive the business.

You are right. Although big corporations are the main targets, the
developers influence the big corporations' IT decisions. So, you'd think
their flagship development studio would work on their flagship OS, wouldn't
you?
I'll check it out; I definitely need to do something different. I want
something that will scan my e-mail, and let me scan my drives when I want
to. I don't want something (McAfee and Norton) that scans every single
document every time I open it. I turned ActiveScanning off, and McAfee
puts up messages about how my system isn't protected every time I reboot,
or standby and come back. It's really, really annoying. But when I open a
solution with 80 classes and a bunch of forms, I don't need all of them
to be virus-scanned. I *know* where they've been. ;-)

So will this product you've recommended plug into Outlook and scan my
e-mails? Does it do active scanning? I appreciate the information. I've
about had it with the big ones.

It does scan your email (in and out). It does do active scanning (which can
be disabled without annoying messages resulting from that decision), but it
is so fast that I haven't even noticed it at work (except when it finds a
virus in the incoming email and alerts me).

The big ones (especially Norton) fell for the whole .Net thing and screwed
up their products. They are bloated and slow.

Even Microsoft doesn't use .Net to do most of its internal coding (if they
did - it would probably be compatible with Vista). So, why do we?

Jim Hubbard

______________________________

(as you can probably tell by now.....I don't like NOT knowing how something
works. :) )
 
J

Jim Hubbard

Part IIb showed up but not Part IIa.....hmmmmm

So there's something in part IIa that the servers are rejecting....

Let's keep splitting this up until we find whatever Microsoft Community
newsgroup servers are not happy with - shall we?

Part IIa-1

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They did give people ample time. Apparently anything that was refactored
to be "Windows XP Certified" works under Vista without any major changes.
Some people did not want to spend the money to upgrade their apps to work
with XP if they could get their software to work within the confines, and
now their software won't work with Vista. (Example A: Intuit's
QuickBooks). It took MS 5 years to develop Vista, and they've been working
with customers on compatability for a couple of years now. How much
frickin' notice do people need?

That brings up the original question in this thread.....if Microsoft knew
aout the upcoming changes AND they were even writing the OS, why the heck
isn't VS2005 compatible? It's incredible...
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J

Jim Hubbard

Part IIa-1 showed up but not Part IIa-2 even though Part IIa-2 was sent
first.....hmmmmm

Let's keep splitting this up until we find whatever Microsoft Community
newsgroup servers are not happy with - shall we?

Part IIa-2-B

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For instance, all it would really take to shake Microsoft is a Linux distro
willing to take a fresh look at how they are blowing things and make a
couple of key corrections. Heck, I'd help 'em do it. Not because I hate
Microsoft, but because competition is good for consumers - it even makes
companies stronger and spurs innovation.
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J

Jim Hubbard

We're down to the last 2 paragraphs that are not being posted....

Paragraph 2
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But, I have always found it more profitable to treat customers like friends
and family. The old golden rule thing. It's been around a lot longer than
Microsoft because it works. It works in business and personal life.

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J

Jim Hubbard

This is the paragraph that has blocked my posts with spaces added to
hopefullt get through......
 
R

RobinS

Jim Hubbard said:
This is the paragraph that has blocked my posts with spaces added to
hopefullt get through......

ROFL. Okay, that was a hugely entertaining exercise. To me, anyway. Maybe
it's the word "suckers". Oh, wait, did this one come through?

Robin S.
 
J

Jim Hubbard

RobinS said:
I must admit, it's surreal. When you refer to the "Microsoft Communities
newsgroup servers", I assume you're talking about configuring your
newsreader to get the posts from news.microsoft.com?

No. Windows Mail (in Vista, click Start Menu and look for "Windows Mail")
has msnews.microsoft.com as the newsgroup servers. You have to use a
Microsoft Live (the old MS "Passport") account to sign in to the servers.
Frankly, I'd feel a little paranoid if I were you. :-O

Me? Paranoid?

Look, just because I think Microsoft is censoring my posts, that doesn't
mean they're not.

Pay careful attention to the Help/About splash screen in Windows Mail. It
says that Vista's UI is covered by its legal crap. Maybe that's why they
censored anything that gives the same look, feel and functionality - even if
its on their last OS.
So I added news.microsoft.com to my newsreader (OE), and I see this in the
thread where most of our posts are:

(lots of other posts, then)
2/1/2007 1:35 a.m. Robin S. (both)
2/1/2007 6:57 p.m. Jim Hubbard (both)
2/2/2007 4:51 p.m. Robin S. (both)
2/3/2007 10:45 a.m. Jim Hubbard (both)
2/3/2007 6:54 p.m. Robin S. (both)
2/3/2007 9:41 p.m. Jim Hubbard (both)
(this is the one that says "its still not happening - i'll try and
reply directly to you)
2/3/2007 9:55 p.m. Jim Hubbard (both)
3/4/2007 11:25 p.m. smerf (future posted!) (not on microsoft)
(this is the one you couldn't post under your own name)
2/4/2007 9;21 a.m. Robin S (not on microsoft)
3/6/2007 10:53 p.m. Jim Hubbard (future posted!) (not on microsoft)

(insert Twilight Zone music here)

What's with the future posting? Can you give me tomorrow's lottery
numbers?

The future posts were because I posted from my XP machine and had been
messing around with the calendar. I didn't make that stupid mistake on the
Vista PC and I've fixed it on my XP PC.

As far as tomorrows lottery numbers go - I can do even better. I can tell
you who wins - the lottery commission.

--
Jim Hubbard

"The democracy will cease to exist when
you take away from those who are willing
to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
 
B

Ben Newsam

ROFL. Okay, that was a hugely entertaining exercise. To me, anyway. Maybe
it's the word "suckers". Oh, wait, did this one come through?

People are suckers for shiny stuff? This is a test.
 
B

Ben Newsam

ROFL. Okay, that was a hugely entertaining exercise. To me, anyway. Maybe
it's the word "suckers". Oh, wait, did this one come through?

People *are* suckers for "shiny" stuff - even if there is no other
benefit (sometimes even if there is less).

This is another test.
 
R

Radek Cerny

AI, regex, bugs, nerds... these are all in the way. Big Brother works in
mysterious ways. I'm just glad the mystery is solved. Sleep better now.
 
R

RobinS

I guess Jim *should* take it personally!! LOL.

Robin S.
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G

Guest

Thanks for tip. Do you have any idea of how steep the learning curve is for
someone who is already high up on VB.Net? I just can't afford a new OS's and
then also have to spend another 500dlrs to upgrade to VB.Net 2005.
 
G

Guest

Glad you can afford a grand or two every three years or so to upgrade your
software...I can't.
 
A

aaron.kempf

yeah unless MS comes out with a $49 developers edition of Vista then
they can pretty much kiss my ass


god they really should just give away Vista Express edition instead of
only making it available in China


WHAT ABOUT US?

DO WE NEED TO _PAY_ FOR A LANGUAGE WITH LESS FUNCTIONALITY?

CAN I RUN VB.NET in SQL SERVER ACTIVEX SCRIPTS?

ROFLMAO
 
R

RobinS

Have you considered trying out VB2005Express? It's free.

Robin S.
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S

smerf

Well, friends, I am attempting this post from Bellsouth's newsgroup servers
on my old XP machine. Let's see if it works from here (as Bellsouth servers
currently reject ALL newsgroup posts from Windows Mail on Vista).

(5th try at posting)

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RobinS said:
I think the quote is "It's easier to beg forgiveness than it is to ask
permission."

Since when have you heard Microsoft beg anyone's forgiveness? It's more
like "Here, we did this. Now shut up and use it."
There's no way they could afford to do that. And there's a lot with XP
that worked just fine. Mine only BSOD'd on me once in 3 years. It's always
better to fix what you have than it is to scrap it and start over. Joel
Spolsky (http://joelonsoftware.com) talks about this in his book, how
doing that was the end of Netscape. It took too long to start from
scratch, and in the ensuing years, MS took over the browser market. (Great
book, by the way, very very entertaining, and *not* a pro-MS book,
although he used to work for MS.)

I love Joel's work....got the book on my shelf and have actually read it (a
real feat with my schedule).

The problem with Netscape's rewrite is that they didn't have a competing
browser in the market while they did the rewrite, they tried to SELL thiers
(while Microsoft gave IE away) and they had real competition. Microsoft
would still have XP (which many people in businesses will run for the next
2-3 years at least) and they have no competition.
I think Vista looks pretty cool, and it's not just the UI that changed,
but that is what sells things to many customers. Do you think Apple would
sell as many iPod Nanos if they weren't so cute? I mean, for another $50
you can have a 30GB iPod, what's the point?

Businesses don't buy cute - at least not the ones that I service. And home
users usually have crappy PCs (like the cheapo Dell special of the week)
that barely run as is - they can forget running Vista unless they buy a new
PC, and most of them won't fork over the cash for that.

For the most part, when I mention Vista to anyone, they kinda shrug and say
XP is working just fine for them. I agree with them too. If it ain't broke
don't fix it.

(BTW, if anyone reading this wants to make their XP look and feel like
Vista - I've heard this is good -
http://www.jcxp.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7006 - but I haven't tried it
myself. You can also look at the tweaks on
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/pcs/the-poor-mans-windows-vista-no-upgrading-necessary-182597.php
or
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1089/make_xp_look_like_vista_longhorn_free.)
They did give people ample time. Apparently anything that was refactored
to be "Windows XP Certified" works under Vista without any major changes.
Some people did not want to spend the money to upgrade their apps to work
with XP if they could get their software to work within the confines, and
now their software won't work with Vista. (Example A: Intuit's
QuickBooks). It took MS 5 years to develop Vista, and they've been working
with customers on compatability for a couple of years now. How much
frickin' notice do people need?

That brings up the original question in this thread.....if Microsoft knew
aout the upcoming changes AND they were even writing the OS, why the heck
isn't VS2005 compatible? It's incredible...
Duh. Welcome to the corporate world. The purpose of any public corporation
is to make money for its shareholders. Period. Usually serving the
customers better aids them in that process. I think Vista and Office 2007
will do that. They are fairly impressive-looking, and after people get
over the shock, they will like it better than any version they have used
before.

People *are* suckers for "shiny" stuff - even if there is no other benefit
(sometimes even if there is less).

But, I have always found it more profitable to treat customers like friends
and family. The old golden rule thing. It's been around a lot longer than
Microsoft because it works. It works in business and personal life.

For instance, all it would really take to shake Microsoft is a Linux distro
willing to take a fresh look at how they are blowing things and make a
couple of key corrections. Heck, I'd help 'em do it. Not because I hate
Microsoft, but because competition is good for consumers - it even makes
companies stronger and spurs innovation.
I would point out that the developers are not MS's customers, the large
corporations are. However, they will not succeed as well w/o our
cooperation, and they know it, because developers help drive the business.

You are right. Although big corporations are the main targets, the
developers influence the big corporations' IT decisions. So, you'd think
their flagship development studio would work on their flagship OS, wouldn't
you?
I'll check it out; I definitely need to do something different. I want
something that will scan my e-mail, and let me scan my drives when I want
to. I don't want something (McAfee and Norton) that scans every single
document every time I open it. I turned ActiveScanning off, and McAfee
puts up messages about how my system isn't protected every time I reboot,
or standby and come back. It's really, really annoying. But when I open a
solution with 80 classes and a bunch of forms, I don't need all of them
to be virus-scanned. I *know* where they've been. ;-)

So will this product you've recommended plug into Outlook and scan my
e-mails? Does it do active scanning? I appreciate the information. I've
about had it with the big ones.

It does scan your email (in and out). It does do active scanning (which can
be disabled without annoying messages resulting from that decision), but it
is so fast that I haven't even noticed it at work (except when it finds a
virus in the incoming email and alerts me).

The big ones (especially Norton) fell for the whole .Net thing and screwed
up their products. They are bloated and slow.

Even Microsoft doesn't use .Net to do most of its internal coding (if they
did - it would probably be compatible with Vista). So, why do we?

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--
Jim Hubbard

"The democracy will cease to exist when
you take away from those who are willing
to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
 
J

Jim Hubbard

Yes, I can - but only via the Bellsouth newsgroups where I posted it. I do
not see it or your reply above posted via Windows Mail (on Vista Ultimate 32
bit edition) in the Microsoft Communities newsgroup servers (that are
installed in Windows Mail by default on Vista Ultimate).

I have diligently looked through the settings in Windows Mail and have found
nothing that should be restricting these posts.

As of now, it seems to be a Microsoft Communities server issue. Whether it
is intentional or not, I cannot tell.

Why would it be intentional? Well, if people start talking about how to
make XP look and behave like Vista, that may have a negative effect on Vista
sales. It also may be a legal thing - protecting the "look and feel" of
Vista.

Nothing in this thread after the post (and including that post) mentioning
the links to the XP -> Vista transformation packs shows up in the Microsoft
Communities newsgroups (whether posted from the Microsoft Communities
newsgroup servers or the Bellsouth newsgroup servers) - but it all shows up
in the Bellsouth newsgroups when posted from Bellsouth newsgroup servers.

Definitely strange.....

--
Jim Hubbard

"The democracy will cease to exist when
you take away from those who are willing
to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
 

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