Vista Windows Mail - Reflections

[thecreator]

Hi All,

I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In
Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows
Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have additional
Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.

If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well
with me.

In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have
multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple Identities.

Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.

Ex: thecreator - 2006
thecreator - 2005
thecreator - 2004 and so forth.

With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate
Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to
Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years, you
need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of
unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates
from your other User Ids.

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Hi All,

I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In
Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows
Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have
additional Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.

If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well
with me.

In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have
multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple
Identities.

Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.

Ex: thecreator - 2006
thecreator - 2005
thecreator - 2004 and so forth.

With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate
Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to
Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years,
you need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots
of unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are
duplicates from your other User Ids.

You do know, don't you, that you can have more than one account in Windows
Mail for the same user profile. And you can use message rules to send the
incoming mail to different folders.

 

[thecreator]

You do know, don't you, that you can have more than one account in Windows
Mail for the same user profile. And you can use message rules to send the
incoming mail to different folders.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Reply in newsgroup
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security,
deserve neither liberty or security"

Hi Frank,

You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants to
use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get
downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have
different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next
year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.

With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log
off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using
Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without quitting
the program.

Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the
Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.

 

[Jim Pickering]

Hi Frank,

You are missing the point. A Mail Account can be as many as one wants
to use. Example: One @ Comcast, One @ GMail, and One @ Netzero all get
downloaded into my say thecreator2006 for this year. Then I also have
different file folders for different senders beneath My Inbox. Come next
year, I start with thecreator2007 and new folders under Inbox.

With Outlook Express, I can switch Identities without the need to log
off my present User ID which I would need to with Windows Vista and using
Windows Mail. I can switch Identities with Outlook Express without
quitting the program.

Understand now? I read all my mail while it is in the Inbox. From the
Inbox, I move the Message to another folder to save and to find it later.

I'm not Frank, but you are missing the point he probably was trying to make.
When the subject of identities came up more than a year ago, we were told
that in Vista, there would no longer be identities and the subject was not
open for discussion. We pointed out they were a way to cope with problems
in a corrupted registry along with many of the other points you make. And
we were told, that it was not possible to resurrect them for use in Windows
Mail in Vista. When we pointed out that many of the same keys were still in
the registry in Vista, we were again told, the subject was closed.

My point is saying this, is just to emphasize that we understand your
disappointment and share it, but decisions have been made and they will not
be altered at Microsoft by the development team. It's much too late in the
development process of "locking code" to bring them back from the dead.
Identities were an outstanding feature in IE5 and 6, but they along with
Outlook Express are now considered to be "dodo birds" much like Windows
95/98, and are considered "extinct."

 

[Steve Cochran]

And the other thing to consider is that there will be 3rd party programs
that may address the inadequacies that will be evident in the final release.
The 3rd party programs can't be written though until they finalize the
codebase.

steve

 

[Chris Altmann]

May I ask why you can't just make a folder for each year and put your old
messages there?

 

[thecreator]

Hi Chris,

I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in
Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few
lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox, I
move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages
later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search for
the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my way. I
don't like threads for E-mails.


--
thecreator

May I ask why you can't just make a folder for each year and put your old
messages there?

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

Hi Chris,

I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in
Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few
lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox,
I move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages
later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search
for the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my
way. I don't like threads for E-mails.

Yes, you can do all that in WinMail.

 

[Rex Geissinger]

they wanted to get rid of Identities with XP and decided to leave them
there. but they were only there because previous versions of windows (other
than NT) had no secure logon or file system. once logged in all files were
visable. So in order to protect an individual's privacy OE had to handle its
own security authentication of sorts.

just use a folder for the year and rules "by date" to copy them there and
you could still read them all from the inbox, plus you wouldnt have to
manually move them to a folder after you had read them, as a copy would
already be there, and, you wouldnt have to change identities to look at a
previous year either.

and dont forget you can have subfolders like

2006>Joe
2006>Joes Wife!
2006>TigerDirect
2006>My Company
2006>Saved

rules like if e-mail is "from" joes wife "and" "date is later than"
12/31/2004 then "copy to" 2005>joes wife "or" If date is later than"
12/31/2005 then "copy to" 2006>Joes Wife, this works without having to
logon/logoff, switch Identities or save to another folder after reading.

And why are you talking to Joes wife anyway?....

 

[Rex Geissinger]

as Frank Say's, yes you can. I replied to one of you earlier posts in this
thread (todayalso) giving more of a detailed example but the mail rules are
actually very powerfull and can do quite a bit with them.. Try them out I'm
sure they will work for you.

Rex Geissinger

Hi Chris,

I have a lot of Sub-folders under Inbox and also under Local Folders in
Outlook Express. Can you do the same in Windows Mail? I belong to a few
lists and get a lot of messages. Once the E-mails are download into Inbox,
I move them / filed them into seperate folders, so I can find the messages
later. I can go right to the E-mail Messages, without the need to search
for the messages.Each person likes to do things they own way. This is my
way. I don't like threads for E-mails.

 

[Dr. Indera]

hello creator,

i feel your pain. when i joined this newsgroup yesterday, i nearly fell out
of my chair when i read that the identities feature was removed in the next
version.
i have at least 10 email accounts set up and this features makes it easy to
keep track of everything.

i didn't have plans to make an "official" move to vista anytime soon after
it goes live, so i'm hoping that someone will develop an add-on to handle
this.
i think we just have to be patient.
i was going to wait at least 6 months and then start migrating everything
over to vista, a little at a time, but now i will wait longer.
i have this many email accounts for business and i also teach online and
there is no way that i can log into each schools or clients mail server.

like you, i keep emails separated by year and within each year, i have a lot
of folders.

i do know that it will be somewhat difficult to start building an add-on for
this while vista is still in beta. unless you have a major requirement to
switch to vista when it first comes out, i say keep using win xp/outlook
express and see what happens 6 months to a year after it's released.

i've read that you can have both xp and vista on the same machine. if that's
true, you can keep your email in outlook express and just switch between the
os's. yep, that will be a pain, but you could have your cake and eat it too
<smile>.
1
hang in there
--
Indera
* * * * * * * * * *
Don't just live life.
Live life well.


: Hi All,
:
: I like Outlook Express and its use of Identities to save E-mails. In
: Windows Vista, Microsoft removed Identities when Users gets to use Windows
: Mail. One User cannot have multiple Identities. In order to have
additional
: Mail Identities, they need to create additional User IDs.
:
: If you are one person, having multiple User IDs, doesn't sit to well
: with me.
:
: In Windows XP operating system and using Outlook Express, you can have
: multiple Identities. I have Outlook Express set up with multiple
Identities.
:
: Why? I keep E-mails seperate from one year to another year.
:
: Ex: thecreator - 2006
: thecreator - 2005
: thecreator - 2004 and so forth.
:
: With Windows Mail, that can't be done. Whoever decided to eliminate
: Identities within Windows Mail, did not think it thru. When you upgrade to
: Windows Vista, you lose Identities. To set up Vista for multiple years,
you
: need to create multiple User Accounts or IDs. It going to take up lots of
: unnecessary Hard Drive Space, with unnecessary files, that are duplicates
: from your other User Ids.
:
:
: --
: thecreator
:
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