Vista will not boot.

T

Tinkerer

I've installed Vista to dual boot with windows XP.
I'm running them on an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe motherboard
with 4 drives in a RAID mirroring/striping array.
I used Promise Fastrack drivers for Win2003 to get Vista to install,
and the install went fairly uneventfully. I can boot into WinXP
without a problem, however when I try to boot into Vista, I get to
the black screen with the silver bar in it, and the system reboots
after flashing a blue screen too quickly to read anything from it.
How can I cause Vista to stop at the blue screen so I can read
what it says? Is there a way to do it from within XP, and if so,
which file in which directory do I need to modify?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)
 
M

Mark Dietz

If you press F8 at the boot menu, there should be an option to disable the
automatic restart to allow you to get the BSOD message.
 
C

Chad Harris

You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .

Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue
box>advanced tab>at the bottom of box hit the settings button under the
heading "startup and recovery">Clear the Automatically restart check box,
and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your computer for the
settings to take effect.

See: (to save a link for this):

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx

I want to give you some information on Recovery/Repair Options in Vista
since it's a great metaphor for MSFT's "Let them Eat Cake" approach to their
non-enterpise cusotmers. MSFT's SR team and the Win RE team and associated
teams should get off their butts and make a Video that is comprehensive for
the public and start giving some Live Meetings for the Public on this
feature. I don't see any scheduled anywhere from them. Past ones I've seen
throw up a Win RE slide with tiny bullet points and then don't explain the
bullet points--suggesting that the Vista team needs a little Power Point
101.

***To fix your Vista Boot use your Vista DVD and use the Win RE options this
way:***

There is a promising "feature" or utility in Vista called Win RE or Windows
Recovery Environment. Unfortunately, MSFT has published ***no information
on it on their site,*** so that if Vista evokes a metaphor of a broad
horizon,
they are encouraging you to explore many of the features in it by flying by
the seat of your pants. What I'm saying is it was unprofessional and brain
dead of MSFT to release Vista to the public with no info anywhere on their
site or in Help on how to use their recovery tools:

How to Use Win RE to fix your Vista Boot:

***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***

1) Insert Media into PC

2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the
lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***

3) Select your OS for repair.

4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from the
Win RE feature, but as is SOP with errors from Windows, most of them are
written in unintelligible encrypted language, hex or otherwise, that are
often metastatically and ectopically scattered to the four corners of the
operating system. They also have cute names like Sometimes at least one of
them is in English.

From ***Help in Vista***--(No mention on several of the Win RE options like
Fabricant).

If you type Win RE in current Vista Help and Support you come up with this
scant information: ( I was curious to see what the Win RE associated teams
offer and it's very scant considering they have nothing on the MSFT site at
all and two elementary school level paragraphs in the cheerleading so-called
Windows Product Guide):

Startup Repair. Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix
certain problems, such as missing or damaged system files, that might
prevent Windows from starting. It is located on the Windows installation
disc and, depending on your computer, might also be stored on your
computer's hard disk. For more information, see Startup Repair: frequently
asked questions.

Startup Repair is a Windows recovery tool that can fix certain problems,
such as missing or damaged system files, that might prevent Windows from
starting correctly. When you run Startup Repair, it scans your computer for
the problem and then tries to fix it so your computer can start correctly.

If you experience problems while trying to run Startup Repair, or if your
computer does not include the Startup Repair tool, your computer
manufacturer might have customized or replaced the tool. Check the
information that came with your computer or go to the manufacturer's
website.

How do I use Startup Repair?
Startup Repair is located on the Windows installation disc. If Windows fails
to start, insert the Windows installation disc, restart your computer, and
click View system recovery options (advanced). Type a user name and password
of an account on the computer, and then click Startup Repair from the list
of recovery tools. If necessary, Startup Repair might prompt you to make
choices as it tries to fix the problem.

Some computer manufacturers might install Startup Repair on your computer's
hard disk. If Windows does not start correctly, Startup Repair can start
automatically and try to fix the problem. If Startup Repair is stored on
your hard disk, you can also access the system recovery options menu from
the Windows Advanced Startup Options menu. For more information, see
Advanced startup options (including safe mode).


(Theoretically Vista back up the registry every six hours and makes these
backups available to Win RE. System Restore can also be run from Win RE
outside Windows now theoretically but the SR team did not set it up to save
the restore points you have if you go to your XP boot--ridiculous and as of
this moment they haven't got Vista manufacturing restore points the way it
was designed to do and often it won't.Win RE can be launched directly from
the installation media that MSFT saysit will mail out to people if they pay
for shipping. If you burn the ISO, Win RE canbe launched directly from it.
It fixed a registry corruption caused by theerratic damaging SFC (SystemFile
Checker) that the developers and Product Managers on the Vista team have
crafted for Vista. This tool is targeting fixing corruptdrivers, registry
corruption, drivers and that are not compatible with your hardware, and
OS upgrades that are unstable and crash with BSOD stop
errors, and a few other no start problems that will be elucidated when and
if someone from MSFT ever rights an intelligent article on this feature.

In other words, they turned Vista loose on the public without explaining
many of its features, includingthe ones that are designed to save your OS.
I consider saving the OS a fairly important priority. It's hard for me to
discern what priority MSFT gives it.

***Note to you MSFTies in the secluded campus with no contact with the real
world outside the Redmond Washington campus when it comes to using a
computer and how to help your public Vista users (since you have no sense or
seeming concern whatsoever that people subenterprise actually try to use and
fix Vista and other software you make, Why don't you go next door and see
how your non-computer employed neighbors can use Win RE? I already have
discussed the fact that 500 million projected OEM preinstalled Vista buyers
won't actually have access to Win RE because as in XP the OEM media won't
reach it (in XP 99% of the time the media from OEM won't repair and it can't
do a Repair Install in XP{

***What that means in the real world all you Softies is you have scores of
people who need to use the tool, being told anything but information about
the tool, because you haven't gotten off your slow butts and written up a
decent article on Technet or MSDN on Win RE even though you employ a slew of
technical writers on the Vista teams who are supposed to be doing this. If
I were a PM at MSFT, I wouldn't dream of releasing Vista to the public
without having given them one molecule of instruction on how to repair the
operating system with new tools. What kind of consideration for your
customers does that show???????? Absolutely none!!!***

Good luck Tinkerer,

CH
 
C

Colin Barnhorst

I have seen at least one live meeting on this. It was earlier this week.
It was very general but it looks like more is coming.
 
2

2

Too stupid for a beta OS.

When you help someone like this they will just be back in a few more
days with more stupid question.

This group is being flooded with moronic questions:
How do I get a product key
Where do I get a driver for xyz hardware
Won't install on my lapotop
Won't install on my computer circa 1968
My crappy video card won't run aero glass (the sky is falling)
My crappy sound card doesn't work
Can't figure out how to activate
Will my 16 bit program from 1992 run on Vista
How long can I use Vista Beta
How do I dual boot
I NEED STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO GET XP BACK
cannot delete windows.old file

Ignore them, children should only listen to adult conversations, not
be incouraged to join in.
 
M

MICHAEL

Chad Harris said:
You should be able to also freeze the BSOD same way as in XP: .

Hit the windows + pause break key (brings up System Properties dialogue box>advanced tab>at
the bottom of box hit the settings button under the heading "startup and recovery">Clear the
Automatically restart check box, and click OK the necessary number of times.Restart your
computer for the settings to take effect.

See: (to save a link for this):

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/russel_02may13.mspx

Okay... so, you put the Vista installation disk in and have it boot from
the disk. Then at the install screen, hit install, then the language screen,
and then "Recovery Options" should be listed. Right? Can the recovery
options be run from the disk after booting up into Vista or XP?

This could have come in handy for me yesterday. After using this beta for
about two weeks and rather impressed with it- for a beta- last night I could
not boot into Vista. The boot screen showed both OSs, but when I chose
Vista, it said could not find winload.exe (?). I could boot to XP.

Thanks to a post by droid about accessing bootsect.exe from
the DVD via XP, I ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" This
seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks for pointing me that
way, droid.

-Michael
 
T

Tinkerer

Thanks! That did the trick! Error message as follows:

A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage
to your computer.

If this is the first time you've seen this stop error screen,
restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow
these steps:

Check for viruses on your computer. Remove any newly installed
hard drives or hard drive controllers. Check your hard drive
to make sure it is properly configured and terminated.
Run CHKDSK /F to check for hard drive corruption, and then
restart your computer.

Technical Information:
***STOP: 0x0000007B (0x80805BB0, 0xc0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)

This error message seems to lead me back to what I'd originally thought, that the
problem lies within the Promise Fastrack RAID controller.

Do you know if anyone has used Windows dynamic disk with Vista?
If so, that could be an option I'll have to look into, because it doesn't
look like I'll be able to use my RAID array.
 
T

Tinkerer

I have already used the System Recovery Options that are on the DVD, and
haven't had any luck with that. The Startup repair tool can't fix the
problem
and doesn't give me any meaningful information in that it doesn't find
anything
wrong, just says there was a setup failure. I'll try the windows + pause
break
key to see if it's a more permanent solution than F8 on bootup.
Thanks Chad!
 
T

Tinkerer

I tried that solution, changing the parameters of the command to fit my
system, but no luck.
Interesting thing here though, is that when I boot from the DVD, go to the
System
Recovery Options and load hdd drivers, the Vista OS is visible, but the XP
OS
is not.
Thanks Michael!
 
T

Tinkerer

The windows + pause break key doesn't seem to work. The blue screen flashes
up too quickly.
 
G

Guest

You sir, are an ignorant bollocks.

To assume someone is stupid because they ask questions is just plain stupid
itself.

The whole purpose of this board is to help people with Vista questions and
problems.

Vista will be sold to millions of people around the world when it released
to the public. Not everyone has the knowledge or skill that YOU may or may
not have with computers and software.

May the fleas of 1000 camels infest the crack of your arse.
 

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