Vista Ultimate OEM activation questions

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Sir Timbit

Hi all,

I have a chance to purchase a copy of Vista Ultimate OEM for a pretty good
price right now and am wondering about the following: I'm looking to replace
my older Intel 875-based board with a newer motherboard for a Core2, PCI
Express, etc, in a few months. If I install Vista Ultimate OEM on my current
board, then replace my main board & video card, will I still be able to use
my license? I know that technically I'll have to reinstall and that's no
problem. What I *don't* want is get some message that the serial number has
already been activated and I need to buy a new license (i.e. a new copy of
Ultimate.) I tend to tinker with my machine, reimage it, etc, and I don't
want this to be a "one-time" activation on my own PC.

I read some time ago that Microsoft was handling Vista activation such that
you could activate it twice, so once I replace the motherboard, that's it.
I'd be able to reactivate it the one time and that was it. I also read that
later on there was such a stink raised about this that Microsoft dropped
that limitation, but only for the Ultimate edition....However what I *don't*
know is if that's what happened with the final RTM!

Can anyone shed some info? Thanks.

Sir Timbit
 
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Saucy Lemon

According to the EULAs? No. These days they're associating the notion of
'computer' with motherboard. So therefore, if you swap out the mobo and CPU
you are in effect instantiating a new distinct computer which would require
another OEM license.

Saucy Lemon
 
A

Alias

Saucy said:
According to the EULAs? No. These days they're associating the notion of
'computer' with motherboard. So therefore, if you swap out the mobo and
CPU you are in effect instantiating a new distinct computer which would
require another OEM license.

Saucy Lemon

Can you prove this by pasting the EULA here or are you just making it up
as you go along again?

Alias
 
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nmoinvaziri

You will get the message that it has already been activated. You can
call up Microsoft and have them give you another activation just so
long as you've only installed it on one machine.

I have personally experienced this. My motherboard was bad and I had
activated Vista on it, I returned it and got a different one. Anyways,
I was able to reinstall Vista on the new motherboard and had to call
Microsoft to get them to let me activate it again.

For anybody that is interested, here is an offical news source more or
less that has information on OEM.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070126/tc_zd/199653

And yes, I do have Ultimate OEM as well.
 
S

Sly Dog

Thanks for the OEM reference article.

Call it a hunch, but I think the Product Activation Tolerance Voting
Mechanism Hardware Hash Comparison Electoral College criteria explained in
the article has yet to be fully realized for VISTA...
 
M

Mike Brannigan

Alias said:
Can you prove this by pasting the EULA here or are you just making
it up as you go along again?

Alias




A copy of the OEM Windows Vista Ultimate EULA
From EULA ID -
EULAID:VISTA_RM.0_CONSUMER_OEM_en-US



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for use in every country. For example, although the Media Center
information may refer to certain features such as an electronic
programming guide or provide information on how to configure a TV
tuner, these features may not work in your area. Please refer to the
Media Center information for a list of features that may not work in
your area.



WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE

ADDITIONAL LICENSE TERMS. The following additional license terms
apply to Windows Vista Ultimate.

1. Device Connections. You may allow up to 10 other devices to
access the software installed on the licensed device to use File
Services, Print Services, Internet Information Services and Internet
Connection Sharing and Telephony Services.

2. Remote Access Technologies. You may access and use the software
installed on the licensed device remotely from another device using
remote access technologies as follows.

· Remote Desktop. The single primary user of the licensed
device may access a session from any other device using Remote Desktop
or similar technologies. A "session" means the experience of
interacting with the software, directly or indirectly, through any
combination of input, output and display peripherals. Other users may
access a session from any device using these technologies, if the
remote device is separately licensed to run the software.

· Other Access Technologies. You may use Remote Assistance
or similar technologies to share an active session.

3. Other Remote Uses. You may allow any number of devices to access
the software installed on the licensed device for purposes other than
those described in the Device Connections and Remote Access
Technologies sections above, such as to synchronize data between
devices.

4. Use with Virtualization Technologies. You may use the software
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise
emulated) hardware system on the licensed device. If you do so, you
may not play or access content or use applications protected by any
Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management
technology or other Microsoft rights management services or use
BitLocker. We advise against playing or accessing content or using
applications protected by other digital, information or enterprise
rights management technology or other rights management services or
using full volume disk drive encryption.

5. Media Center Extender. You may have 5 Media Center Extender
Sessions (or other software or devices which provide similar
functionality for a similar purpose) running at the same time to
display the software user interface or content on other displays or
devices.

6. Electronic Programming Guide. If the software includes access to
an electronic programming guide service that displays customized
television listings, a separate service agreement applies to the
service. If you do not agree to the terms of the service agreement,
you may continue to use the software, but you will not be able to use
the electronic programming guide service. The service may contain
advertising content and related data, which are received and stored by
the software. The service is not available in all areas. Please
consult the software information for instructions on accessing the
service agreement.

7. Related Media Information. If you request related media
information as part of your playback experience, the data provided to
you may not be in your local language. Some countries or regions have
laws and regulations which may restrict or limit your ability to
access certain types of content.

8. Consent to Update Infrared Emitter/Receiver. The software may
contain technology to ensure the proper functioning of the infrared
emitter/receiver device that ships with certain Media Center-based
products. By accepting these license terms, you agree that the
software may update the firmware of this device.

9. Worldwide Use Of The Media Center. Media Center is not designed
for use in every country. For example, although the Media Center
information may refer to certain features such as an electronic
programming guide or provide information on how to configure a TV
tuner, these features may not work in your area. Please refer to the
Media Center information for a list of features that may not work in
your area.

10. DOWNGRADE. Instead of using the software, you may use one of the
following earlier versions:

· Microsoft Windows XP Professional,

· Microsoft Windows Professional x64 Edition, or

· Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.

This agreement applies to your use of the earlier versions. If
the earlier version includes different components, any terms for those
components in the agreement that comes with the earlier version apply
to your use of them. Neither the manufacturer or installer, nor
Microsoft is obligated to supply earlier versions to you. You must
obtain the earlier version separately. At any time, you may replace
an earlier version with this version of the software.



EULAID:VISTA_RM.0_CONSUMER_OEM_en-US
 
S

Saucy Lemon

OK, you got me. I admit the issue is a little complicated. There's the
Systems Builder License and there's an EULA. They are not the same.

The System Builder who employs OEM software in building computers has a
license agreement:

[SBL]
http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

Whereas an EULA comes with every installed copy of Windows. Notice too on
the retail packaging one supposedly can read the EULA before installing at:

[dead link]
http://www.windowsvista.com/useterms

but AFAICT it is a dead link. I noticed some of the Microsoft links [not
third party] listed in the help of the install routine are dead links too.

IMHO, Microsoft should go through the links listed in the help of the
install routine and on the packaging of the Windows Vista retail boxes and
make sure they are alive and answer any questions.

Anyway, I can't state for sure the relationship between the SBL and the EULA
and what it implies for the builder who uses for himself what he builds. Is
there a "disconnect" between the two licenses in that the builder, according
to the SBL cannot transfer the OEM software to another computer, but the
user according to the EULA can? What if the builder and the user are the
same person?

From reading various statements, it seems that the *intention* Microsoft has
here would be that the OEM license, because it is had at a price much less
than a full license, does not necessarily grant the same rights, e.g. right
of transfer, as the full license and nor could one expect Microsoft to
support such a transfer.

Yet a perusal of the licenses does seem to indicate to me that there is a
disconnect. If someone could confirm with the full text of an EULA from a
installation of Vista installed with Microsoft OEM software, then we could
come to an accurate conclusion. But I don't have access to a Microsoft OEM
copy of Vista right now to check its EULA for sure.

And until I do, I feel no further discussion on my part is warranted.

Saucy Lemon
 
G

Guest

Ok,

Just to make it clear to you..and a few others...

You can change any pieces of hardware in your PC with an OEM version.

As long you USE THE SAME CASING. The Windows is attached to the casing, not
to the motherboard or videocard etc....

Just contect Microsoft, telling them you upgrade your pc or change a defect
piece.

Thats all.

We sell install OEM on PC for our customers, and for 15 years, never had any
probs.


Mav
 
B

BSchnur

As long you USE THE SAME CASING. The Windows is attached to the casing, not
to the motherboard or videocard etc....

The case?? Interesting approach -- I re-use my good cases often (I
hate cheap cases and prefer some of the CoolerMaster cases).

Fair point though, when I 'part out' components from a case, the OS is
never part of the deal.
 
S

Sly Dog

Maverick said:
Ok,

Just to make it clear to you..and a few others...

You can change any pieces of hardware in your PC with an OEM version.

As long you USE THE SAME CASING. The Windows is attached to the casing,
not
to the motherboard or videocard etc....

Just contect Microsoft, telling them you upgrade your pc or change a
defect
piece.

Thats all.

We sell install OEM on PC for our customers, and for 15 years, never had
any
probs.


Mav

Gee... I never thought of that...

That must explain why moving my OS hard drive from one controller port to
another causes VISTA to require re-activation...

And all this time, I thought it had to do with some sort of problem with
Activation caused by moving my OS hard drive from one controller port to
another.
 
H

Hugh Wyn Griffith

Well it does explain why the COA has to be applied to the case and
usually in a place where you can't get at it at all easily with a heavy
desktop ......
 
B

BSchnur

Well it does explain why the COA has to be applied to the case and
usually in a place where you can't get at it at all easily with a heavy
desktop ......

Indeed...
 
R

reneemolnar955

Help Please, got oem, vista windows, and lost the windows eula screen where it

says accept or decline, i do not know where to look for it, my 30days are
almost
up, and i cannot even find microsoft telephone # to call them, I am not on the
internet yet , any help please. I am using a friends computer to send
this.....
 
T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Help Please, got oem, vista windows, and lost the windows eula screen where it

says accept or decline, i do not know where to look for it, my 30days are
almost
up, and i cannot even find microsoft telephone # to call them, I am not on the
internet yet , any help please. I am using a friends computer to send
this.....

When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.
Quoted from the MS website:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

"Mandatory Product Activation Data

* The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two
components:

1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation
2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

* The country in which the product is being installed (for Office
XP and Office XP family products only)"

You are never required to provide any other info in order to get
activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you
phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and
occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed! It
is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are
reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that. If
they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this policy posted on
their company's website. If still they persist, request politely to
speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue until they give YOU the
paying customer the treatment you deserve!




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T

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
When you call for activation, being an educated consumer is beneficial.
Quoted from the MS website:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_facts.mspx

"Mandatory Product Activation Data

* The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two
components:

1. Product ID. Unique to the product key used during installation
2. Hardware hash. Non-unique representation of the PC

* The country in which the product is being installed (for Office XP
and Office XP family products only)"

You are never required to provide any other info in order to get
activated. The agent is required to activate you immediately if you
phone in and provide only the product ID, hardware hash, and
occasionally the country in which the product(s) is being installed! It
is none of their business if you made hardware changes, why you are
reinstalling, etc and you do not need to answer questions like that. If
they give you a hard time, politely remind them of this policy posted on
their company's website. If still they persist, request politely to
speak to a supervisor and escalate the issue until they give YOU the
paying customer the treatment you deserve!

Sorry, forgot to include the US number:
866-740-1256


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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett
 

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