Vista to XP?


J

Jerry Kiernan

I give up. Vista Home sucks. Is there ANY way to take my new computer, kill
Vista and go to XP pro??
 
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Dustin Harper

Yes, you would need to obtain a Windows XP Pro license and do a clean
install of XP. Make sure you backup all your settings and data.
 
G

gregrocker

Is it because you are slowed down by VISTA? It uses a lot or resources for
all of the fancy graphics and diagnositics. But there is a way to turn a lot
of this off and regain signficant speed. I started by turning off the Aero
Glass effects in Control Panel>Display, then unchecked all of the Visual
Effects but the last 3. If that doesn't speed it up enough then consult the
Black Viper's highly regarded list of services.msc to edit as you can turn
off a lot of resource hogs and not affect your system at all (Safe list) or
turn off even more and get a stripped-down version that gamers like (Tweaked
list).

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10149_1...=275745&messageID=2654466&tag=nl.e497#2654466

http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/servicecfg.htm

Black Viper is recommended by Leo Laporte radio show which is the top
computer show here in California.
 
M

Mick Murphy

Hi Jerry.
If you have business or Ultimate, apparently there is a way to free
downgrade through the manufacturers to XP Pro, if dissatisfied(as far as I
know).

If you downgrade to XP, you lose your Hardware Warranty.

Also, check the computers manufacturer/s website to see if there are XP
drivers written for your hardware in your computer.

Later model computers have Vista ONLY Drivers written for them.

XP is still being sold until June 2008.

Dell still give you the choice of what you want, XP or vista.

hope it helps.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Yes, you would need to obtain a Windows XP Pro license and do a clean
install of XP. Make sure you backup all your settings and data.


Maybe. Before doing so, Jerry should make sure that XP drivers for all
his hardware are available. Particularly if his computer is a laptop,
they may not exist.

Moreover, some computer manufacturers will consider that if you change
your operating system, it voids your warranty, so he should check on
that as well.
 
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Jon

Why should changing the OS void your hardware warranty? You've bought
hardware from the manufacturer and they should honour their agreement to
maintain and fix that hardware regardless of the OS in my opinion.

MANY people are extremely unhappy with vista, myself included, I'm fed up of
system hangs, slow startup, programs stopping working, hardware and software
incompatibility and a million and one stupid annoying bugs that happen on a
daily basis! I want to downgrade to XP, for me there's no WOW in vista it's
quite the opposite!

Also I design interfaces for a living, vista has an appalling interface,
it's so cluttered and illogical at times (especially for system
administrators), I hate the frosted glass effect, it makes the screen feel
really busy and is a waste of computing power! I switched all the visual
styling off and reverted the visual look back to '95 style.

Oh and just in case you think my system hangs are due to a rubbish PC, I
have a pretty high spec, intel dual core 2.4GHz processor(s), 6GB RAM, 1.5TB
hd storage and a ATI Radeon 2600XT 1GB..... so I don't think I should have
any problems with that spec!
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Why should changing the OS void your hardware warranty?


Should? It should not, as far as I'm concerned.

You've bought
hardware from the manufacturer and they should honour their agreement to
maintain and fix that hardware regardless of the OS in my opinion.


Yes, I agree, they should. Argue with them, not me. The fact, however,
is that some manufacturers consider that changing the operating system
voids your warranty. If that happens to you, and it might, your only
recourse would be to take them to court. My guess is that you wouldn't
want to go to those lengths, and that even if you did, the fine print
in the warranty would make it clear that you had no chance of winning.

MANY people are extremely unhappy with vista, myself included,


And many more others are very happy with it, myself included.

But it's your choice. I'm not trying to talk you into anything.
 
P

PC Medic

Ken Blake said:
Moreover, some computer manufacturers will consider that if you change
your operating system, it voids your warranty, so he should check on
that as well.

Not legally (not in the US any way).
Now they may tell you that you will need to run the OS recovery CD to place
the system back to a state it was in when purchased before they will provide
any OS support, but they can NOT 'void' your warranty for changing the OS
nor have I ever heard of any vendor doing so.
 
B

Bob F.

PC Medic said:
Not legally (not in the US any way).
Now they may tell you that you will need to run the OS recovery CD to
place the system back to a state it was in when purchased before they will
provide any OS support, but they can NOT 'void' your warranty for changing
the OS nor have I ever heard of any vendor doing so.
First, warrantee laws are State by State. Second, Not all States require
any Warranty at all except "implied warranty", and that is: "the product is
fit for the purpose for which it is sold". Third, a warrantee is a contract
between a seller and buyer and can be written with ANY conditions, no matter
how ridiculous, as long as they are not illegal. So, if the seller says
your warranty is valid as long as you don't split on the street. you
warranty is void if you do so. So it goes...
BobF.
 
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Bruce Chambers

PC said:
Not legally (not in the US any way).


Please cite the specific portion of U.S. Code or court decision that
establishes this new situation.




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Bob F.

Bruce Chambers said:
Please cite the specific portion of U.S. Code or court decision that
establishes this new situation.

Not exactly a new situation. Warranty is State law and goes back over 200
years. A little before Vista. ;-)
Thats' why some warranty cards say "Void in some states".
Bob F.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Bob said:
Not exactly a new situation.


Yes, it is. "PC Medic" was positing a "new" situation, in which States
and manufacturers no longer have any say in the warranties. It's a
matter of Federal law, now, he claimed. He claimed that manufacturers
could no longer legally void warranties whose terms had been violated by
the consumers. This is news to me, and everyone I know. That's why I
asked for a citation to support this new situation.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Bob F.

Bruce Chambers said:
Yes, it is. "PC Medic" was positing a "new" situation, in which States
and manufacturers no longer have any say in the warranties. It's a matter
of Federal law, now, he claimed. He claimed that manufacturers could no
longer legally void warranties whose terms had been violated by the
consumers. This is news to me, and everyone I know. That's why I asked
for a citation to support this new situation.

Oh...looks like a combination of both:
See:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.shtm
Bob F.
 
S

Seth

Bob F. said:
Oh...looks like a combination of both:
See:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.shtm
Bob F.

From the various articles I've read in a number of the tech magazines and
such (which means this is by no means an authoritative point, but the gist
made sense) is that by changing the OS you are indeed voiding a "portion" of
the warranty, namely the software warranty. Hardware warranty is still in
tact. The magazines verified this with a number of the "big players" in the
PC arena.

The caveat though is that sometimes in order to establish that a hardware
part is failing, it requires the phone support person to talk a user through
using a diagnostic program. Usually that diagnostic program is part of the
"factory load" and therefore missing when a user takes it upon themselves to
install a different OS than what the machine came with.

So while the hardware warranty is still in effect, the end user will have
trouble proving it is a hardware issue therefore making it almost the same
as voiding the warranty.

There will of course still be the obvious hardware issues that the vendor
can't dodge due to no diagnostic software being loaded on the PC. Such as
bad power supply, failed hard drive, etc... But "funky video", bad network
interface, failing modem, etc... might not be "provable" without the factory
load being in place.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

First, warrantee laws are State by State. Second, Not all States require
any Warranty at all except "implied warranty", and that is: "the product is
fit for the purpose for which it is sold". Third, a warrantee is a contract
between a seller and buyer and can be written with ANY conditions, no matter
how ridiculous, as long as they are not illegal. So, if the seller says
your warranty is valid as long as you don't split on the street. you
warranty is void if you do so. So it goes...


Thanks. You took the words out of my mouth, so I won't bother to reply
saying the same thing.
 

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