Vista - How fast is it really?

R

Robert Moir

Jamie said:
That maybe the case. But I haven't installed aload of XP
applications. Just Nero,

.... which makes changes to the system, and has startup processes...
Office 2003, Office 2007 Beta,
ATI Beta
Drivers and Creative Sound Drivers

.... which makes changes to the system, and has startup processes...
oh and CA's antivirus scanner
(which doesn't cripple the system).

.... which makes changes to the system, and has startup processes...

I wouldn't be at all suprised if some of your problems are down to the
system-type apps and drivers there not being quite up for Vista.

The only app on your list there I have installed is Office 2007, and as I
already mentioned, I'm running hardware that isn't guaranteed to be
compatible with *any* version of windows and I'm not seeing the issues you
report.

This is all pretty much what you expect in beta software, even at the RC
stage.

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M

mikeyhsd

same old tired excuses.

ever heard, if you cannot stand the heat, git out of the kitchen.
apparently you have.



(e-mail address removed)



mikeyhsd said:
prefetch is a POOR attempt to fix a poorly written bloated os.

attmpts should been made to imporove the tools used to build it instead.

it has never worked correctly, leaving behind garbage for months.
it never removes entries for programs that are uninstalled.

even now they are using USB memory sticks to try and improve system speed.
another major failure.
way to many brands do not work.



send me a certified cashiers check for the cost of my system and will post
in style fo YOUR choice instead of >MINE.



(e-mail address removed)

Ah, I see, just another Microsoft basher for the fun of bashing Microsoft.

Why is it that every time Microsoft tries (good or bad) to improve the user
experience someone has to bash the idea?

Pre-fetching is simply a way to load programs faster, if we were discussing
this same feature in Linux or on a Mac you would be asking why Microsoft
isn't using it too.

If there have been entries in your prefetch directory that are months old,
then there's either something broken (most likely due to your insistence on
deleting all the files in the directory) with the pre-fetch, or you simply
don't run enough different programs very often to have those files purged.
If there aren't enough new pf files created to push the old ones out, they’ll
just sit there (it keeps up to 128 pf files, so if you regularly only run a
total of 30 programs, and the 31st has been uninstalled, it won't push that
file out, plus it will never be updated since it's not possible to run an
uninstalled program.)

And how is using a USB stick to improve system speed a 'failure?' Sure,
it's a silly way to do it, but let's say you have a system that can only
install 2GB of RAM on the board and you have the option to stick a fast
flash-drive in your USB port to gain more RAM? Maybe not as fast as a true
RAM stick or two, but still, more, but slower, RAM is still faster than
paging to a hard drive. I'll never use it, I don't run enough large, or
multiple programs to fill up the RAM I have so I see no need on my system,
but it's nice to know I could stick a USB flash drive in my system if I need
a little boost in speed, or working RAM, for whatever reason

Oh, and as to the sticks that don't work for this boost, it depends on the
speed. If the flash-ram is no faster than paging to a hard drive for
whatever reason then there is no point to using that FR, right? Remember,
very cheap flash-ram usually means very-slow flash-ram. Fine for portable
storage, but lousy to use as extra RAM.

To conclude, I only brought up the HTML posting because it has been well
established in Usenet, and has spilled over to private newsgroups like
these, that posting in HTML is considered rude and unnecessary. While most
modern news-readers can handle it, some still can't, plus it's easier on the
eyes when posts are in plain text, editing for reply is easier and again,
it's just the excepted standard for newsgroup posting.

I'm sure one day, when those of us that have been using Usenet and
newsgroups for the past 20+ years finally give up on it, HTML will be just
fine, just like top-posting is becoming more and more ignored for its lack
of newsgroup etiquette, but in the here-and-now HTML posting simply shows
either that you're not nearly as computer savvy as you purport to be, or
you're simply so self-involved that you can't give up that silly, scrolling
email address on your posts to use what most consider standard, polite
posting etiquette.

I never thought I'd have to <PLONK> anyone in a private newsgroup, but
anything and everything is possible.

Mic
 
M

Michael Palumbo

mikeyhsd said:
same old tired excuses.

ever heard, if you cannot stand the heat, git out of the kitchen.
apparently you have.


(e-mail address removed)


Oops, forgot to put you in the kill file . . .



Oh, and by the way; what heat and what in my post could be even remotely
construed as an excuse for anything?



I don't make excuses, I try to make explanations . . . if I'm wrong, and
it's something that someone can prove to be wrong, then I'm wrong. I won't
argue that, but opinions aren't something that can be proven, and in so far
all I've heard from you are opinions about deleting prefetch files giving
such a massive improvement in performance that I and many others have seen
to be false.



I've yet to see one page suggesting deletion that actually shows any numbers
to prove the theory that this speeds up system performance, but I've seen
many that have numbers that are verifiable proving it doesn't.



Shall I site the pages that have data comparing the subjects we've discussed
in this thread?



Naa, I won't bother, you aren't worth the effort and even if I can prove
you're 100% wrong, you'll still bash Microsoft, claim I and the others that
say the same are full of it and continue to believe in the smoke and mirrors
that you have been presented.



This would have been an interesting discussion if you'd actually had
coherent arguments instead of simply making blanket statements as to how bad
things you see things as being, with no intelligent discussion to back up
your statements.


Don't bother responding, except to feed your own ego, this time I've
remembered to put you in the kill file.
I don't know why I've wasted this much time on you.

Mic

PS
Just to be clear, I'm not a Microsoft fan, I don't even like thier products
but I have to work with them every day so I'm beta testing Vista (and other
products) so I'll be more than ready when I start seeing them on systems I
have to work on.

Running a Debian Linux installation on my main drive for my main OS and have
been for a very long time.
 
G

Guest

Deleting the prefetch files to speed up XP is a proven MYTH. (Google it,
you'll find many sites telling you to delete the files, and just as many
telling you that you're not helping anything by doing so, and the ones that
say, "Don't do it" usually have benchmark data to prove why you should just
leave it alone.)

All deleting the files does is slow the system down for a short time until
it can recreate the prefetch files you just deleted.

Old prefetch files that have gone unused for a time do get deleted by the
system, the prefetch files speed up your system (duh) and having unused
prefetch files in the folder doesn't slow down the system since XP simply
looks for a matching pf file in the MFT for the application being loaded, it
doesn't search the folder file-by-file, as so many seem to believe. (Even
if it did, this wouldn't slow your system down unless you had thousands of
pf files in there, and that simply would never happen.)

Mic


Yep, I have read that deleting the Prefetch files and Layout.ini is a myth.
Can't remember the site I saw it from.

I had CCleaner delete old prefetch files (was the default option), removed
the tick and noticed a slight increase in performance.

Also I downloaded Microsoft BootVis, deleted the prefetch files and ran this
program. Fixed my slow startup process which was strating to flag.

I don't however recommand people do this mind, I did it merely as an
experiment.

Jamie
 

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