view if any bcc recipients?

[Mr . .]

I often get emails from folks and sometimes wonder who else recieved it. Is
there a way to "unmask" or "view" if anyone or multiple BCC recipients were
on the email?

mr.

 

[Brian Tillman]

Unless that data is completely wiped off the email when sent, it
probably still exists. I'm guessing that if it exists, it can be
found.

Bcc data is not transmitted between mail routers. Bcc informaiton is only
contained within the SMTP envelope, not within the message itself.

 

[Mr . .]

Thanks.

So how can the message header be broken down to view all the recipients /
data by the 'experts'?

mr.

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

What part of our replies was unclear?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

Thanks.

So how can the message header be broken down to view all the recipients /
data by the 'experts'?

mr.

 

[Mr . .]

The 'N' in Not. just joking.

I understand where you're both coming from and the reasoning behind it, but
at the same time it is VERY annoying when people use the BCC to send a
co-worker or supervisor an email that when received appears to be for only
the person in the TO: line.... and then the other recipients approach you on
the topic, it becomes really obvious that the sender had some BCC contacts
in the message... kind of an electronic way of getting stabbed in the back.

know what I mean? I see why the BCC field can be useful, but it's also has
negative potential as well.

Mr.

What part of our replies was unclear?

 

[Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]]

Then they weren't using the BCC field.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

The 'N' in Not. just joking.

I understand where you're both coming from and the reasoning behind it,
but
at the same time it is VERY annoying when people use the BCC to send a
co-worker or supervisor an email that when received appears to be for only
the person in the TO: line.... and then the other recipients approach you
on
the topic, it becomes really obvious that the sender had some BCC contacts
in the message... kind of an electronic way of getting stabbed in the
back.

know what I mean? I see why the BCC field can be useful, but it's also
has
negative potential as well.

Mr.

What part of our replies was unclear?
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]

Thanks.

So how can the message header be broken down to view all the recipients /
data by the 'experts'?

mr.


Unless that data is completely wiped off the email when sent, it
probably still exists. I'm guessing that if it exists, it can be
found.

Bcc data is not transmitted between mail routers. Bcc informaiton is
only
contained within the SMTP envelope, not within the message itself.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

When a person is in the BCC line, no other recipient information is
displayed, not even the TO: - so, if someone is approaching you about the
contents of the email, odds are that they are the sender since no one else
would know, unless they are in the TO: or CC: fields, and they would not
know who was in the BCC Field.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.


After furious head scratching, Mr . . asked:

| The 'N' in Not. just joking.
|
| I understand where you're both coming from and the reasoning behind
| it, but at the same time it is VERY annoying when people use the BCC
| to send a co-worker or supervisor an email that when received appears
| to be for only the person in the TO: line.... and then the other
| recipients approach you on the topic, it becomes really obvious that
| the sender had some BCC contacts in the message... kind of an
| electronic way of getting stabbed in the back.
|
| know what I mean? I see why the BCC field can be useful, but it's
| also has negative potential as well.
|
| Mr.
|
| || What part of our replies was unclear?
|| --
|| Russ Valentine
|| [MVP-Outlook]
|| ||| Thanks.
|||
||| So how can the message header be broken down to view all the
||| recipients / data by the 'experts'?
|||
||| mr.
|||
||| ||||
||||| Unless that data is completely wiped off the email when sent, it
||||| probably still exists. I'm guessing that if it exists, it can be
||||| found.
||||
|||| Bcc data is not transmitted between mail routers. Bcc informaiton
|||| is only
|||| contained within the SMTP envelope, not within the message itself.
|||| --
|||| Brian Tillman

 

[Mr . .]

That may be so according to Outlook's way of processing, but if the intro of
the email content has my name, and the content is specific about one topic
that no one else should know about, then it's pretty obvious to me that a
BCC was used, when someone that was not supposed to have been a recipient is
approaching me about the content and says " so and so was pretty specific in
his recent email to you about"...

It has potential for negative use as well as positive use. How do most
people respond to a situation like that? Put the person on the spot and
say,.. how'd you know about that? go back to the sender and ask him/her?

It's just annoying... kind of an electronic back stabbing... since I know
it's going on, it makes me real nervous about how many other people are
sending co-workers / supervisors BCC messages without the recipient knowing,
or being able to do anything about it.

Suggestions?

Mr.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"

When a person is in the BCC line, no other recipient information is
displayed, not even the TO: - so, if someone is approaching you about the
contents of the email, odds are that they are the sender since no one else
would know, unless they are in the TO: or CC: fields, and they would not
know who was in the BCC Field.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.


After furious head scratching, Mr . . asked:

| The 'N' in Not. just joking.
|
| I understand where you're both coming from and the reasoning behind
| it, but at the same time it is VERY annoying when people use the BCC
| to send a co-worker or supervisor an email that when received appears
| to be for only the person in the TO: line.... and then the other
| recipients approach you on the topic, it becomes really obvious that
| the sender had some BCC contacts in the message... kind of an
| electronic way of getting stabbed in the back.
|
| know what I mean? I see why the BCC field can be useful, but it's
| also has negative potential as well.
|
| Mr.
|
| || What part of our replies was unclear?
|| --
|| Russ Valentine
|| [MVP-Outlook]
|| ||| Thanks.
|||
||| So how can the message header be broken down to view all the
||| recipients / data by the 'experts'?
|||
||| mr.
|||
||| ||||
||||| Unless that data is completely wiped off the email when sent, it
||||| probably still exists. I'm guessing that if it exists, it can be
||||| found.
||||
|||| Bcc data is not transmitted between mail routers. Bcc informaiton
|||| is only
|||| contained within the SMTP envelope, not within the message itself.
|||| --
|||| Brian Tillman

 

[Gordon]

That may be so according to Outlook's way of processing, but if the
intro of the email content has my name, and the content is specific
about one topic that no one else should know about, then it's pretty
obvious to me that a BCC was used, when someone that was not supposed
to have been a recipient is approaching me about the content and says
" so and so was pretty specific in his recent email to you about"...

It has potential for negative use as well as positive use. How do
most people respond to a situation like that? Put the person on the
spot and say,.. how'd you know about that? go back to the sender and
ask him/her?

It's just annoying... kind of an electronic back stabbing... since I
know it's going on, it makes me real nervous about how many other
people are sending co-workers / supervisors BCC messages without the
recipient knowing, or being able to do anything about it.

Suggestions?

Having therapy about your paranoia?

 

[Gordon]

Good one, guess I'm the only one in the world that this happens to
right? Or am I just the only one that cares?

Well /I've/ never had it happen........

 

[Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]]

If someone were asking me about content they're not supposed to know about, I'd simply say I don't know what they're talking about and direct them to someone in authority. ("I don't know anything about that, but you know who would know if anyone would -- Joe Smith.") Leave them to wonder what's going on.

Face it: You have no control over what the original sender tells other people. What you can control is how you protect the confidences that your organization has entrusted you with. That may include going back to the sender and telling him/her that there's apparently been a leak and that it's potentially undermining your ability to do your job. Stick to the facts as you know them, and don't cloud the issue by mentioning Bcc: the sender could just as easily have told someone about the message verbally or shown them a printed copy.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003

and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers

 

[Mr . .]

Good one, guess I'm the only one in the world that this happens to right?
Or am I just the only one that cares?

 

[Brian Tillman]

It has potential for negative use as well as positive use. How do
most people respond to a situation like that? Put the person on the
spot and say,.. how'd you know about that? go back to the sender and
ask him/her?

I'd choose the latter.

It's just annoying... kind of an electronic back stabbing... since I
know it's going on, it makes me real nervous about how many other
people are sending co-workers / supervisors BCC messages without the
recipient knowing, or being able to do anything about it.

I simply don't see how this coulld bother you unless the message contained
private information and then if it does, it is the sender who stepped over
the line by including non-involved people in a confidential transmission.

 

[Mr . .]

ok. Guess I'll fall in line and not worry about it either, since it's not
much different than someone gossiping anyway.