VC++ Net 2002 - 2003 upgrade

[Tim]

Is there a way to upgrade from Visual C++ Net 2002 to
Visual C++ Net 2003? The 2002 version does not provide
a Windows Forms Designer. I can't find any upgrade package
on Microsoft's website.

Thanks,
Tim

 

[Carl Daniel [VC++ MVP]]

Is there a way to upgrade from Visual C++ Net 2002 to
Visual C++ Net 2003? The 2002 version does not provide
a Windows Forms Designer. I can't find any upgrade package
on Microsoft's website.

You have to buy Visual Studio .NET 2003. If you hadn't waited so long,
there was a $29 upgrade price, but that offer's now expired, AFIAK.

-cd

 

[Tim]

-----Original Message-----

You have to buy Visual Studio .NET 2003. If you hadn't waited so long,
there was a $29 upgrade price, but that offer's now expired, AFIAK.

-cd

cd,

Thanks for the response.

It's outrageous to have to pay twice for the
product, to obtain a feature that should have
been included in the first place.

Thanks,
Tim

 

[Aaron Queenan]

Yup, that expired in September.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/upgrade/vstudio03/default.aspx

You'll now have to get the normal upgrade which costs heaps.

 

[Bo Persson]

cd,

Thanks for the response.

It's outrageous to have to pay twice for the
product, to obtain a feature that should have
been included in the first place.

But there was a *very* special price for the first 6 months, $29 for 7
CDs...

Too bad you missed that.


Bo Persson

 

[Tim]

-----Original Message-----

"Tim" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet


But there was a *very* special price for the first 6 months, $29 for 7
CDs...

Too bad you missed that.


Bo Persson

I was not aware of the offer.
In any event this appears to be an offer for the
Visual Studio upgrade, not the standalone Visual C++
upgrade.

I guess I took it for granted that there would be a way
to upgrade. Of all the software products I have purchased
in the past, I never encountered this type of "no upgrade"
policy.

In my opinion, Visual C++ .NET 2002 is an incomplete
product. I still think its outrageous that there is no
upgrade path available.

Happy New Year!

Thanks,
Tim

 

[Guest]

I totally agree. VB has had a form designer since version 1.0.

 

[Guest]

Actually this pisses me off so much I'm going to do everything I can to get the upgrade for free. Can anyone tell me what security there is on the upgrade?

 

[Bo Persson]

Actually this pisses me off so much I'm going to do everything I can to

get the upgrade for free. Can anyone tell me what security there is on the
upgrade?

You mean against piracy?

The installation requires you to have (installed or as a CD) the previous
version. The CDs also carries the usual text "Do Not Lend or Make Illegal
Copies of This Software", assuming that a programmer would respect the works
of other programmers.

Other than that, nothing.



Bo Persson

 

[Guest]

This stuff about respecting other programmer's work is the usual microsoft spin. I respect their work (otherwise I wouldn't pay for it or use it in the first place) but my issue with with their pricing policy.

Despite the sales jargon, 2003 is a minor upgrade. There are some additional tools and improvements (even though 98% compatibility to the C++ standard is 2% too low if you ask me). If I write software and make some additions a year later I would not dream of charging my customer the price of the whole lot again. That's what Bill is expecting. It's his market power at work. If there was a viable alternative I'd use it.

 

[William DePalo [MVP VC++]]

If there was a viable alternative I'd use it.

This comment speaks volumes about the current state of affairs. If to create
a standards compliant C++ compiler ("a viable alternative" as you put it)
with all the bells and whistles was an easy, inexpensive proposition for
which there was a high return on investment than there would be more of
them.

It ain't. There ain't. You get what you pay for.

Regards,
Will

 

[Bo Persson]

This stuff about respecting other programmer's work is the usual microsoft

spin.

No, the development tools have never been copy protected. You are allowed to
install as many copies as you like, as long as they are used by a single
person.

I respect their work (otherwise I wouldn't pay for it or use it in the

first place) but my issue with with their pricing policy.

Despite the sales jargon, 2003 is a minor upgrade.

Right. So I upgraded about a year ago, and payed the $29 upgrade cost.
Cheap!

It's hardly MS' fault that you missed the 6 months worth of "Special Upgrade
Offer".


Bo Persson

 

[Guest]

I don't understand why there was a $29 upgrade and now there's none. I was using MFC exclusively during that time and so I did not even notice that there was time limit on the upgrade (i.e. I didn't have any reason to go looking for something that was missing). Good for you that you got it but that does not make me feel any better. Upgrades have been available since version 1.0 of EVERYTHING and why has Bill all of a sudden abolished it for this product. The only reason I can imagine is either he does not think he has to bother (ie. arrogance) or he's excercising market power (ie. arrogance again).

William, you are absolutely right. I tried to used the free Borland command line compiler with a free IDE etc etc but the time it took me to not even get it near working was simply not worth it.

Key in "hate microsoft" on google and have a look at the number of hits. I got 730,000. There's someone out there who hates microsoft because of about every product that they do.

 

[Hendrik Schober]

[...] If to create
a standards compliant C++ compiler ("a viable alternative" as you put it)
with all the bells and whistles was an easy, inexpensive proposition for
which there was a high return on investment than there would be more of
them.

It ain't. There ain't. You get what you pay for.

Despite the fact that in general you are
right, in particular, there is Comeau
which is as close to the standard as it
gets and comes for US$50.

Regards,
Will

Schobi

--
(e-mail address removed) is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"Sometimes compilers are so much more reasonable than people."
Scott Meyers

 

[Ronald Laeremans [MSFT]]

Hi Nick,

There is an upgrade price. For the Pro edition, the estimated retail prices
are: upgrade price $549 and full price $1079.

More information is available on
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/howtobuy/pricing.aspx

Ronald Laeremans
Visual C++ team

I don't understand why there was a $29 upgrade and now there's none. I was

using MFC exclusively during that time and so I did not even notice that
there was time limit on the upgrade (i.e. I didn't have any reason to go
looking for something that was missing). Good for you that you got it but
that does not make me feel any better. Upgrades have been available since
version 1.0 of EVERYTHING and why has Bill all of a sudden abolished it for
this product. The only reason I can imagine is either he does not think he
has to bother (ie. arrogance) or he's excercising market power (ie.
arrogance again).

William, you are absolutely right. I tried to used the free Borland

command line compiler with a free IDE etc etc but the time it took me to not
even get it near working was simply not worth it.

Key in "hate microsoft" on google and have a look at the number of hits. I

got 730,000. There's someone out there who hates microsoft because of about
every product that they do.

 

[Jonathan Turkanis]

This stuff about respecting other programmer's work is the usual

microsoft spin. I respect their work (otherwise I wouldn't pay for it
or use it in the first place) but my issue with with their pricing
policy.

Despite the sales jargon, 2003 is a minor upgrade. ...

To me, the difference between 7.0 and 7.1 is huge. I think of 7.0 as
an old broken compiler and 7.1 as a first-rate modern compiler.

Jonathan

 

[Guest]

Ron

Why would I want to pay $US549 for an upgrade for the pro edition when I only paid about $AUS250 for the std edition? If I'd wanted the pro edition in the first place I'd have bought it. At that price the MSDN membership would have also made sense and I would have gotten the upgrade for free, apparently

I only want C++. I don't want all the rest. I'm not interested in an upgrade regardless of price.

 

[Guest]

Jon

This is getting better and better. So what you are telling me is that I paid full price for a "old broken compiler". Thanks, you've made my night

nick

 

[Hendrik Schober]

Ron,

Why would I want to pay $US549 for an upgrade for the pro edition
when I only paid about $AUS250 for the std edition? If I'd
wanted the pro edition in the first place I'd have bought it. At
that price the MSDN membership would have also made sense and I
would have gotten the upgrade for free, apparently.

I only want C++. I don't want all the rest. I'm not interested in
an upgrade regardless of price.

You do realize that VC std doesn't come
with an optimizing compiler, don't you?

It is sad there is no VC pro. Ron, will
we have one for Whidbey?

Schobi

--
(e-mail address removed) is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"Sometimes compilers are so much more reasonable than people."
Scott Meyers

 

[Bret Pehrson]

To me, the difference between 7.0 and 7.1 is huge. I think of 7.0 as

an old broken compiler and 7.1 as a first-rate modern compiler.

7.1 is a new broken compiler.

After all, this is supposedly the 8th iteration (or so) of the product.