VB.NET = "first time or casual ?"

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tommaso.gastaldi

As a VB.net enthusiast (I do also use C#, when appropriate), I find a
little bit irritating the way as Microsoft advertises these products
on the site:

http://www.microsoft.com/express/product/default.aspx

VB.net:
"Productivity that is ideal for first time or casual Windows
programming."
C#
"A great combination of power and productivity for the Windows
developer."

"first time or casual ?" This sounds insulting and discouraging.

In my opinion, Microsoft should not perpetuate the legend that VB.net
is somehow for newbies. This is, in my opinion, far from reality and
ridiculous.

Further, since as we know everything turns into msil, those
descriptions seems to me clueless.

What do you guys feel? Do you like the above? I would suggest they
only use something like the second slogan for **ALL** products, or at
least not perpetuate meaningless legends ...

Tommaso
 
M

MBUnit

As a VB.net enthusiast (I do also use C#, when appropriate), I find a
little bit irritating the way as Microsoft advertises these products
on the site:

http://www.microsoft.com/express/product/default.aspx

VB.net:
"Productivity that is ideal for first time or casual Windows
programming."
C#
"A great combination of power and productivity for the Windows
developer."

"first time or casual ?" This sounds insulting and discouraging.

In my opinion, Microsoft should not perpetuate the legend that VB.net
is somehow for newbies. This is, in my opinion, far from reality and
ridiculous.

Further, since as we know everything turns into msil, those
descriptions seems to me clueless.

What do you guys feel? Do you like the above? I would suggest they
only use something like the second slogan for **ALL** products, or at
least not perpetuate meaningless legends ...
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IMHO, VB is a lot easier to learn and understand out of the gate than C#
for newbies and casual programmers.

That's the bottom line about it.

I wouldn't suggest you go off the deep-end about it. It's not your
product. MS can push it anyway it wants. :)
 
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Armin Zingler

[email protected] said:
As a VB.net enthusiast (I do also use C#, when appropriate), I find a
little bit irritating the way as Microsoft advertises these products
on the site:

http://www.microsoft.com/express/product/default.aspx

VB.net:
"Productivity that is ideal for first time or casual Windows
programming."
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Yeah, that's a problem. On their own, they destroy what they made of good
ol' VB in the past years: A professional language and environment - also by
reintroducing Form default instances and the My.Crap namespace.
C#
"A great combination of power and productivity for the Windows
developer."

"first time or casual ?" This sounds insulting and discouraging.
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I tolly agree.
In my opinion, Microsoft should not perpetuate the legend that VB.net
is somehow for newbies. This is, in my opinion, far from reality and
ridiculous.
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Yep.

Maybe they just want to cover that audience verbally, too. However, _we_
know what VB really is nowadays. I hope it won't become something that meets
their own description.



Armin
 
M

Miro

It annoys me when I get microsoft press books
( the old ones were great - they had the code examples ALWAYS in c# and VB).

Now, the book has everything only in c# and you must download the vb
examples.
Just a pain.

I would rather spend 10 more bux on a book and have the examples directly in
the book, that or they should make 2 versions of the book.

The original microsoft press books were great, if you didnt understand the
vb code, you are able to go read the c# code to try to figuer out whats
going on. That helped me once or twice.

Thats my only annoyance.
The fact that the books only have c# now in printed format and seem to have
vb in a downloadable zip.

Miro
 
A

Alex Clark

Aaaaaand cue Michael C....


As stated by others on this thread though, they can push it however they
want to. I've "casually" made a boatload of money from selling software
written in this "casual" language; probably more than a lot of
self-important C# coders who like to troll around here. So I'm happy coding
in my "hobbyist" dialect while they get super professional with their curly
braces :)
 
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Tom Shelton

Aaaaaand cue Michael C....


As stated by others on this thread though, they can push it however they
want to. I've "casually" made a boatload of money from selling software
written in this "casual" language; probably more than a lot of
self-important C# coders who like to troll around here. So I'm happy coding
in my "hobbyist" dialect while they get super professional with their curly
braces :)
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As the saying goes - "It's not the brush, it's the artist".
 
L

Lloyd Sheen

Tom Shelton said:
As the saying goes - "It's not the brush, it's the artist".
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Good one Tom.

And I have no problem with the download of VB examples. If I had a dime for
every code example I tried to copy from text to fingers and the resulting
"where did I go wrong" at least when you download the examples and they
don't work it is not my finger interface.

LS
 
M

Miro

I read the books ( away from a computer and electricity )...
Thats why I prefer them in the books.

Just a preference.
I can read my way thru c#...I just havnt used it in so long... it takes a
while.

M.
 
J

James Hahn

The idea that a language needs to be difficult in order to be useful is a
myth perpetuated by those who feel a need to protect the value of their
skills. MS is wise to pay (at least) lip service to this myth.

I find it very pleasing that I can produce powerful and professional
applications using a language that beginners can get into quickly and
easily, and I am not concerned that MS should promote that feature of VB.
 
T

tommaso.gastaldi

The idea that a language needs to be difficult in order to be useful is a
myth perpetuated by those who feel a need to protect the value of their
skills.
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totally agree
I find it very pleasing that I can produce powerful and professional
applications using a language that beginners can get into quickly and
easily, and I am not concerned that MS should promote that feature of VB.
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The advantage that VB is a full professional programming language
with, in addition, a more intuitive syntax and more intelligent ide
environment,
can probably be expressed in some other slightly different ways,
which would not make it look as a nonprofessional language.

I am not native English, but I guess that the (English) language
has the flexibility to allow that... and it should not to
difficult to adjust appropriately the slogan ...




PS (Referring to Tom comment)

.... and by the way the curly brackets are not found on my keyborad
(it).
Imagine what would be your day without "(" ")" on the keyboard ...
 

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