using song downloaded (purchased) from itunes

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After a ton of help from this forum I am putting finishing touches on a big
project for me. Up until now I have been using music in my video that I had
on my computer to make sure I learned how to do that.

Now the final project required music I did not have, so I had my daughter
use her itunes, and I paid for her to download a few songs I needed.

I have them, but now I am finding that I can not use the #@!x proprioritory
format that Apple sells it to you in.

Am I correct in that assumption? and is there a way to convert their MP4
itunes format so that I can use it in Moviemaker or Photostory?, or Studio 8
by Pinnacle for that matter (as that is the software that I am using at the
end to combine all the movies into one DVD?

If not the itunes solution, could you suggest another reliable source for
music that will work with WMM or PS?

thanks again for everything.
 
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jwb said:
Now the final project required music I did not have, so I had my daughter
use her itunes, and I paid for her to download a few songs I needed.

I have them, but now I am finding that I can not use the #@!x
proprioritory
format that Apple sells it to you in.

Welcome to DRM.


And if you think iTunes is bad, just take a look at what most of the others
offer. There are more restrictions and limitations that you could image.
(And don't forget the new Napster's "rental" of music, which some colleges
have bought into.) And Microsoft's own new DRM is pushing for even more
control and restrictions.

Most people who buy from those places don't realize just how bad things are.
They just assume. When "Real.com" did their sale a few weeks back, a lot of
people were surprised that DRM didn't work the way they expected. (Some
were also surprised by how bad the music sounded. Tests have proven that
128k WMA is much worse than 128k MP3. That's why they do 192k, just to try
and get the mp3 quality, never mind that of AAC or Vorbis. Of course, WMA
Pro is better, but it's not widely supported.)

Realistically, the iTunes/iPod crowd has it best, but even they aren't being
treated fairly. It works just well enough that things are working okay for
now, but they'll have problems in a few years down the road, after upgrading
to new computers or wanting to switch to a player other than ipod, etc.)


(And don't forget, the FCC has ordered there be copy controls on Digital TV.
So you can forget about recording quality digital HDTV. You'll have to stay
with the lower quality like today's analog vcr.)

Am I correct in that assumption? and is there a way to convert their MP4
itunes format so that I can use it in Moviemaker or Photostory?, or Studio
8

Not legally. [cough]

But there are a few things that can capture the output of playing it. I
don't happen to have links for them, since I don't buy music DRM'ed music.
You could also go 'low-tech' and just use a jumper / patch cable and record
the playing output.

If you re-encode it into something other than WAV, then you'll loose some
quality of the music. So it's not suitable for listening to real music, but
it's okay if you are just doing background music, sound effects, etc.

Of course, you still have the legalities of using the stuff. For a personal
project or a private presentation, I don't think anybody would really care.
by Pinnacle for that matter (as that is the software that I am using at
the
end to combine all the movies into one DVD?

If not the itunes solution, could you suggest another reliable source for
music that will work with WMM or PS?

That would depend on what kind of music you need.

If you are needing background or some classical or some such, you could
probably find lots of legal music. (How about archive.org? They have a lot
of stuff, but I don't know if it's useful.) There really are a lot of
places to get a lot of different types of music, legally.

You wont find any current popular stuff, but if you are needing some other
kind, you might find it.


Also, there is one other option...

Can you find it on the radio?

In the U.S., the supreme court ruled that it was 100% fair use to record the
radio onto a casette recorder. (At the time that was all there was. And
the RIAA etc. were saying that casette recorders built into the radio would
destroy the industry. You may remember the "Bow wow wow" did a song "C30
C60 C90 Go" in protest.)

That was later amended by Congress with the "Home Recording Act" to include
digital recording. (Even Mr. Rogers, of "Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" pushed
congress for it.)

So, if it's for personal / private use, you could do it that way legally.

(And what's funny is that the quality you get from a good FM radio is about
as good as what most of the warez 128k mp3's are on the p2p networks!)
 
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John Kelly

Hello there,

Switch to using Music Match (Free) from www.musicmatch.com, make sure that the
Digital Rights Manager is left in the OFF position and download your music

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Just glad I don't live in Croydon, UK
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John Kelly said:
Hello there,

Switch to using Music Match (Free) from www.musicmatch.com, make sure that
the
Digital Rights Manager is left in the OFF position and download your music

Downloading their music would still have DRM already in it.

The DRM settings in MusicMatch (as in WMP) just effect the music you rip off
your own cd's. (And, unfortunately, some idiots actually enable DRM for
that, and then scream murder when they can't access it after reinstalling or
getting a new computer.)
 
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John Kelly

Hello,

Music Match has the option to turn DRM off...thats what its set to on my Music
Match Plus.....ripping CD's does NOT cause DRM to be engaged....I do it all the
time. Additionally it does not add the DRM to downloaded music either.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Just glad I don't live in Croydon, UK
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John Kelly said:
Hello,

Music Match has the option to turn DRM off...thats what its set to on my
Music
Right.

Match Plus.....ripping CD's does NOT cause DRM to be engaged....I do it
all the

No, it doesn't cause it to be 'engaged' But that's the only time MusicMatch
will add DRM. When it's encoding. Which will be ripping cd's or some other
source, such as line-in. If you turn it on, of course.
time. Additionally it does not add the DRM to downloaded music either.

It doesn't "add" it, no.

That's added by the MusicMatch service when you buy the music. That's how
they control you from giving away copies of it. That's why you can't burn a
copy of the wma onto cd's and give them to your friends or put it onto a
p2p.

Turning it "off" in MusicMatch doesn't cause the music you buy to be
magically un-DRM'ed.

If musicmatch downloads something that isn't DRM'ed, then it's not DRMed, of
course.

But that checkbox in MusicMatch isn't going to effect the DRM'ed music you
buy from them.

(And the guy was talking about *buying* music from iTunes.)
 
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Guest

All my DVD-software requires a MP-3 Music File..I think its about the
compression standards..I don't even think there was a MP-3 File until
DVD-came about.
 
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1hourphoto said:
All my DVD-software requires a MP-3 Music File..I think its about the
compression standards..I don't even think there was a MP-3 File until
DVD-came about.

I got curious about that last statment so I did some searching...

Actually, it was Mpeg-1 audio Layer 3. So it's definetly started as part of
mpeg-1 and not dvd's mpeg-2.

It started development in about 1987. Released as part of mpeg-1 in 93.
Along with mp2.

mpeg-2 was done in 94 or 95. It can do mp3 audio, as well as AAC.

Acording to a quick net search, mp2 & mp3 were on the net before mpeg-2 was
even released.
 
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John Kelly

No, it doesn't cause it to be 'engaged' But that's the only time MusicMatch
will add DRM. When it's encoding. Which will be ripping cd's or some other
source, such as line-in. If you turn it on, of course.

Your remarks seem to be double dutch...of course it will add drm if you turn it
on...what else would you expect it to do???? I have no idea what point you are
making....your augument, well, what IS your augument??
That's added by the MusicMatch service when you buy the music. That's how
they control you from giving away copies of it. That's why you can't burn a
copy of the wma onto cd's and give them to your friends or put it onto a
p2p.

Yes you can copy to cd and give as many copies as you like....upload one to
ftp.the-kellys.org with username (e-mail address removed) and password
guest....also include your postal address and I will send you the cd made with
your audio. Here is an extract from the Music Match Help File....

Music purchased and downloaded through Musicmatch Downloads may be played in
Musicmatch Jukebox, burned to an audio CD, or transferred to your portable
player.

I think that rather covers it, YES??? another search also found this in the
help file...

Purchase and download your favorite music right now using Musicmatch Downloads.
While listening to Musicmatch MX, or by searching for your favorite tracks or
artists, you can purchase and download thousands of songs instantly, play them
on up to three (3) computers, burn tracks to CDs, and transfer tracks to
portable players. To get started,....
The three computers is refering to how many computers can share your personal
account
Turning it "off" in MusicMatch doesn't cause the music you buy to be
magically un-DRM'ed.

I did not say that....I said turn it off...period...and in any case saving it
to a cd and then ripping it back is the standard way of defeating drm.
But that checkbox in MusicMatch isn't going to effect the DRM'ed music you
buy from them.

Well, all I can say is that you have not read the manual or downloaded using
music match. Send me the music downloaded with MusicMatch and I will be pleased
to send you a cd with it burned on as per the above description of use in the
Music Match Help File.
(And the guy was talking about *buying* music from iTunes.)

Thats right...he was saying that he had bought music and it had drm ....I told
him to switch to Music Match and make sure DRM was turned OFF, YES????

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Just glad I don't live in Croydon, UK
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John Kelly said:
Your remarks seem to be double dutch...of course it will add drm if you
turn it
on...what else would you expect it to do???? I have no idea what point you
are
making....your augument, well, what IS your augument??

You had just gotten through saying that turning off the DRM switch makes all
the problems go away etc. That suddenly every song you buy from MusicMatch
is 100% un-drm'ed.

I had been pointing out that the DRM switch only effects music you encode,
and not the music you buy.

Yes you can copy to cd and give as many copies as you like....upload one
to
ftp.the-kellys.org with username (e-mail address removed) and password
guest....also include your postal address and I will send you the cd made
with
your audio. Here is an extract from the Music Match Help File....

Music purchased and downloaded through Musicmatch Downloads may be played
in
Musicmatch Jukebox, burned to an audio CD, or transferred to your portable
player.

I think that rather covers it, YES??? another search also found this in
the
help file...

I think we have a different definition of what we are calling the 'original'
music.

Doing it to wav and burning it to cd, whether as allowed a few times by the
program (MM, itunes, etc.) or using some audio capture program can get a wav
copy.

BUT, unless you leave it as wav, it's not the original music. If you use
any encoder (even the format it was originally in) you've "transcoded" it
and are getting significant quality loss.

You aren't getting an unDRM'ed version of the *original* audio file.

The three computers is refering to how many computers can share your
personal
account

Yeah, you can have 3 active at once. But that's still DRM'ed.
I did not say that....I said turn it off...period...and in any case saving
it
to a cd and then ripping it back is the standard way of defeating drm.

Or using one of the several capture programs that capture the audio output.

But unless you leave it as wav, you no longer have the original audio
quality. Transcoding it, even to the original format, is always a bad
thing. (And WMA, even at 192k, doesnt' have a lot of quality to spare.)

You no longer have an un-DRM'ed version of the original audio.



But this is getting a bit off topic for this group.
 
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John Kelly

Hello,

Yes OK, whatever. Frankly you seem to be talking like another person in here
and I am beggining to wonder. My remarks as first given still stand...Switch to
Music Match and make sure DRM is not activbe....end of story...everything else
you introduced is either wrong....read the help file, or is just convoluted and
makes little or no sense.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Just glad I don't live in Croydon, UK
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All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
 

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