Using SATA drives with IDE

[Bruce Whealton]

Hi,
I am having a problem setting up my system with an IDE hard drive. I
bought the system
used with a SATA drive as the main disk drive. I had added an IDE drive and
things
were working fine, with the IDE drive working as the E drive. I have data
on that drive
from a previous system. For some reason a problem developed and a friend
tried to fix things. Now, the only way to fix things was to remove that IDE
drive.
Having gotten things back to working right, I tried to put that IDE drive
back in.
Unfortunately, that drive insists on being the boot drive. This wasn't
happening previously.
I get a message saying I should check things out in the CMOS BIOS. I
don't
see any settings that distinguish between the SATA hard drive and the IDE
hard drive. Boot-up options include Hard drive, floppy, CDROM, etc.
What should I look for? Any suggestions, help?
Thanks so much,
Bruce

 

[KC Computers]

I am having a problem setting up my system with an IDE hard drive. I

bought the system > used with a SATA drive as the main disk drive. I had
added an IDE drive and things > were working fine, with the IDE drive
working as the E drive. I have data on that drive > from a previous
system. For some reason a problem developed and a friend
tried to fix things. Now, the only way to fix things was to remove that
IDE drive. > Having gotten things back to working right, I tried to put
that IDE drive back in.> Unfortunately, that drive insists on being the
boot drive. This wasn't happening previously.> I get a message saying I
should check things out in the CMOS BIOS. I don't > see any settings that
distinguish between the SATA hard drive and the IDE
hard drive. Boot-up options include Hard drive, floppy, CDROM, etc.
What should I look for? Any suggestions, help?

There should be a submenu for hard drives which lets you change the hard
drive order.

 

[johns]

You can't put an IDE drive on the first IDE connector
... IDE 1. You have to put it on IDE 2 or the 2nd
connector on your mobo. Note: Others will dispute
this, but they are dead wrong. Move your cable.
If you have a DVD drive, you'll have to slave it to
the IDE hard drive. Put nothing on IDE 1. Also,
in your BIOS, you need to disable RAID if you
see a place to do that. Then you should be able
to put your SATA on SATA 0, and it will become
the default boot drive.

johns

 

[Rod Speed]

You can't put an IDE drive on the first IDE connector .. IDE 1.
You have to put it on IDE 2 or the 2nd connector on your mobo.
Wrong.

Note: Others will dispute this, but they are dead wrong.

Have fun explaining how come it used to work fine.

Move your cable. If you have a DVD drive, you'll have
to slave it to the IDE hard drive. Put nothing on IDE 1.
Wrong.

Also, in your BIOS, you need to disable RAID if you see a place to do that.
Then you should be able to put your SATA on SATA 0, and it will become
the default boot drive.

The default is completely irrelevant.

 

[Robert Baer]

Have fun explaining how come it used to work fine.




The default is completely irrelevant.

The *order* of boot drives is EXTREMELY relevant; you are incorrect.

 

[Geoff]

Really rod? It is wrong?

Tell us more, you so smart . . .

-g

 

[kony]

The *order* of boot drives is EXTREMELY relevant; you are incorrect.

Any board modern enough to support SATA should have
sufficient bios settings to select any connected drive to
boot from- with the exception of discrete add-on controllers
from board-soldered chips or PCI/etc card, in which case it
may only be a device boot choice when the device bios takes
it from there as per user selection of boot drive.

Either way, to not be able to select the boot drive should
be considered a significant bios bug (if this is actually
the case) and a bios update should be sought - and the
problem reported to the board manufacturer if the corrected
bios doesn't exist yet.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

The *order* of boot drives is EXTREMELY relevant;

Irrelevant to what was being discussed above.

you are incorrect.

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some pig ignorant gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
from a pig ignorant desperately cowering gutless ****wit.

 

[Stephen Howard]

You can't put an IDE drive on the first IDE connector
.. IDE 1. You have to put it on IDE 2 or the 2nd
connector on your mobo. Note: Others will dispute
this, but they are dead wrong. Move your cable.
If you have a DVD drive, you'll have to slave it to
the IDE hard drive. Put nothing on IDE 1. Also,
in your BIOS, you need to disable RAID if you
see a place to do that. Then you should be able
to put your SATA on SATA 0, and it will become
the default boot drive.

Depends what sort of SATA service your bios/os allows.

My Aopen board does three modes; Combined - in which the drives are
'mapped', effectively using IDE 0 for the primary SATA channel;
Enhanced - in which all channels are available, though not under
W9X/ME; and SATA only.

Also, on some boards RAID is switched on when SATA is, regardless of
whether you have a RAID setup in place or not. This usually results in
a 5 second delay in bootup whilst the RAID setup times out.

Regards,

 

[You Know Who ~]

Ah, what an intelligent arguement.

 

[Geoff]

Hehe, post it again . . . I dare you.

-g

 

[johns]

Have fun explaining how come it used to work fine.

It never worked fine, the BIOS coders simply
decided to write around it by disabling RAID
as default, and detecting a SCSI device as
priority over IDE 1. If you fail to load the SATA
driver, and you have RAID enabled, it may or
may not work, but after WinXP installs, XP
will push that bad setup to a software config
that will greatly slow it down .. and/or try
to make the IDE drive the C-drive .. default
boot drive. So ... you NEVER put an IDE
device on IDE 1 in the presence of a SATA
non-RAID boot device. I have spoken

johns

 

[johns]

It was reported a million billion times, and
they screwed it up.

johns

 

[johns]

I know about that one. Mostly it works, but
there is a brand of Maxtor drive that you sure
better not put in that PC. It will never set up
as the default drive, and all your programs
will try to install on your cd-rom.

johns

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

It never worked fine,

It clearly did in his system.

the BIOS coders simply decided to write around it by disabling RAID
as default, and detecting a SCSI device as priority over IDE 1.

There isnt just one way that SATA drives are handled in bios.

If you fail to load the SATA driver, and you have RAID enabled,
it may or may not work, but after WinXP installs, XP will push
that bad setup to a software config that will greatly slow it down ..
and/or try to make the IDE drive the C-drive .. default boot drive.

Have fun explaining all those systems out there the work fine.

So ... you NEVER put an IDE device on IDE 1
in the presence of a SATA non-RAID boot device.

Wrong, as always.

I have spoken

Thats just your arse talking.

 

[Robert Baer]

I know about that one. Mostly it works, but
there is a brand of Maxtor drive that you sure
better not put in that PC. It will never set up
as the default drive, and all your programs
will try to install on your cd-rom.

johns

Maxtor drives have always caused problems since at least the 486 if
not before; they refuse to work with other brands present, and even will
not work with Maxtor drives of a different vintage.
I advise everyone to never get a HD made by Maxtor, and now emphasize
that as Maxtor as adsorbed other brands and still use those brand names.

 

[Geoff]

Really rod? Think so? Tell us more . . . you so great.

-g

 

[kony]

Maxtor drives have always caused problems since at least the 486 if
not before; they refuse to work with other brands present, and even will
not work with Maxtor drives of a different vintage.
I advise everyone to never get a HD made by Maxtor, and now emphasize
that as Maxtor as adsorbed other brands and still use those brand names.

I've used quite a few dozens over the past years and had no
problem at all getting them to work with other brands.
What were these unusual configurations you couldn't get to
work in more recent years?

Remember that having one model from the past with an issue
is no evidence against later models by same brand. Today's
Maxtors are more like any other make than they are like a
several generations older model from same make.

 

[Robert Baer]

I've used quite a few dozens over the past years and had no
problem at all getting them to work with other brands.
What were these unusual configurations you couldn't get to
work in more recent years?

Remember that having one model from the past with an issue
is no evidence against later models by same brand. Today's
Maxtors are more like any other make than they are like a
several generations older model from same make.

You might be correct; the problems i saw were from the 486 era for
many years; made no difference if the Maxtor drive was Primary Master,
or anything else.
The problems mentioned persisted over many years, even as drive
technology changed and improved.
I got so tired trying to get the damn things to work with other
drives that i have been studiously avoiding them for well over 10 years.
Naturally, if there is only *one* drive in the system, there is no
problem.
But if one needs to do a clone backup to a second hard drive
(temporarily connected for that purpose), then the issue became
prevalent if either one was a Maxtor.