Upgrade from XP

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Good evening, peeps.

Right now, I own a XP MCE 2005 and I want to get a Vista Premium or
Ultimate. My question is: If I buy an upgrade edition, can I install it from
scratch or do I need to have my XP underneath? Because I have a brand new
machine and I want to install Vista without having to install XP first.
If I do some kind of upgrade in the KEY, can I throw my XP CD away (I won't,
but just a question) or do I need to keep my XP as long as I want to install
my Vista?

Thank you.
 
Thank you for the time Shawn.
However, what you suggested me didn't vary so much from installing it from XP.
I don't know if I will need that on Vista, but I use to format my PC and
re-install XP every 3 months (It's easy and quick if you keep data in other
place). I was wondering when I buy Vista (and all other times that I decide
to format), I would be able to boot from CD and install it, formating HD
before.

I just don't want to have to install XP everytime before installing Vista.
(However, I am not sure about Vista policies about how many times you can
install, etc)


Thank you.
 
Montesinnos said:
Thank you for the time Shawn.
However, what you suggested me didn't vary so much from installing it from
XP.
I don't know if I will need that on Vista, but I use to format my PC and
re-install XP every 3 months (It's easy and quick if you keep data in
other
place). I was wondering when I buy Vista (and all other times that I
decide
to format), I would be able to boot from CD and install it, formating HD
before.

I just don't want to have to install XP everytime before installing Vista.
(However, I am not sure about Vista policies about how many times you can
install, etc)


Thank you.
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Well.... I admit I can only assume this but... I'd think you could do a
clean install/upgrade every x number of months, but you'd probably have to
call in to MS to activate Vista again.

Lang
 
Good evening, peeps.

Right now, I own a XP MCE 2005 and I want to get a Vista Premium or
Ultimate. My question is: If I buy an upgrade edition, can I install it from
scratch or do I need to have my XP underneath? Because I have a brand new
machine and I want to install Vista without having to install XP first.
If I do some kind of upgrade in the KEY, can I throw my XP CD away (I won't,
but just a question) or do I need to keep my XP as long as I want to install
my Vista?

Thank you.
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There have been articles by reputable journalists that the upgrade package
will indeed do a clean install. Most consultants will advise you to wait
for at least SP1 - there are lots of issues with vista.
 
ray wrote:
Most consultants will advise you to wait
for at least SP1 - there are lots of issues with vista.
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I see you keep saying the above which isn't entirely true. 3rd party
drivers are the main problem and that's not MS's fault nor will SP1
correct the problem. Drives must come from the hardware/software
manufacturer's...not MS.
BTW, I'm running three Vista Ultimate installs (2 x32 & 1 x64) and I am
not having any major problems or 'issues".
Could you tell us what "issues" your are having and which Vista install
you're running?
THX
Frank
 
brink said:
Hi Montesinnos,

Technically your suppose to upgrade from within XP. BUT, it's always
better to do a clean install to avoid problems. You can do this from a
Upgrade Version. You just have to format hard drive, install Upgrade
Vista once without entering PID#, then reinstall it again but from
within Vista & enter the PID# this time. Then Activate. To me, this is
ok as long as you have a valid copy of say XP, technically your still
upgrading.
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Are you absolutely sure about this?
I've never used Vista upgrade but no other upgrade version of windows has
worked this way.

In the past, the upgrade verion is exactly the same as a full version, the
only difference being that the upgrade looks for a qualifying product before
it will let you install it. That qualifying product doesn't need to be
installed either, you could run the upgrade disk on a system with either a
clean formatted disk. or a partitionless disk & when prompted insert the
installation CD for a qualifying product for setup to check.
There was no need to have it installed.

I don't understand the advice about installing Vista without entering the
PID & then running the upgrade within windows.
If this is true it's the first time this has ever been necessary.





If
 
Iuvenalis said:
Are you absolutely sure about this?
I've never used Vista upgrade but no other upgrade version of windows
has worked this way.

In the past, the upgrade verion is exactly the same as a full version,
the only difference being that the upgrade looks for a qualifying
product before it will let you install it. That qualifying product
doesn't need to be installed either, you could run the upgrade disk on a
system with either a clean formatted disk. or a partitionless disk &
when prompted insert the installation CD for a qualifying product for
setup to check.
There was no need to have it installed.
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I'm afraid that's changed with Vista's Upgrade process. Vista's
Upgrade process been intentionally redesigned to upgrade over only an
installed, activated, and validated earlier OS; simply inserting the
older OS' CD during the upgrade no longer works. Apparently Microsoft
felt too many people were (or potentially could) using "borrowed" CDs to
fraudulently qualify for Upgrades to which they weren't legitimately
entitled.

What "Brink" described is a convoluted workaround to use an Upgrade CD
to perform a clean installation. Personally, I think it's a great waste
of time, as upgrades have come a long ways since the days of Win9x.

Some people will blindly recommend that one always perform a clean
installation, rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most
part, I feel that these people, while usually well-intended, are living
in the past, and are either basing their recommendation on their
experiences with older operating systems, or are simply inexperienced
and uninformed.

Certainly, there are times when an in-place upgrade is
contra-indicated:

1) When the underlying hardware isn't certified as being fully
compatible with the newer OS, and/or updated device drivers are not
available from the device's manufacturer. Of course, this condition also
causes problems with clean installations.

2) When the original OS is corrupt, damaged, and/or virus/malware
infested. I've also seen simple, straight-forward upgrades from WinXP
Home to WinXP Pro fail because the computer owner had let the system
become malware-infested. Upgrading over a problematic OS isn't normally
a wise course to establishing a stable installation.

3) When the new OS isn't designed to properly, correctly, and safely
perform an upgrade.

A properly prepared and maintained PC can almost always be
successfully upgraded by a knowledgeable and competent individual. I've
lost count of the systems I've seen that have been upgraded from Win95
to Win98 to Win2K to WinXP and some of them now to Vista (usually with
incremental hardware upgrades over the same time period), without the
need for a clean installation, and that are still operating without any
problems attributable to upgrades.


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ray wrote:
Most consultants will advise you to wait

I see you keep saying the above which isn't entirely true. 3rd party
drivers are the main problem and that's not MS's fault nor will SP1
correct the problem. Drives must come from the hardware/software
manufacturer's...not MS.
Click to expand...

I did not specify whose problem it is, meerly that there are issues - read
the posts.
 
ray said:
I did not specify whose problem it is, meerly that there are issues - read
the posts.
Click to expand...

We did. You advised waiting for SP1, which strongly implied that the
service pack would fix the issues.


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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I'm afraid that's changed with Vista's Upgrade process. Vista's Upgrade
process been intentionally redesigned to upgrade over only an installed,
activated, and validated earlier OS; simply inserting the older OS' CD
during the upgrade no longer works. Apparently Microsoft felt too many
people were (or potentially could) using "borrowed" CDs to fraudulently
qualify for Upgrades to which they weren't legitimately entitled.

What "Brink" described is a convoluted workaround to use an Upgrade CD to
perform a clean installation. Personally, I think it's a great waste of
time, as upgrades have come a long ways since the days of Win9x.

Some people will blindly recommend that one always perform a clean
installation, rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most part,
I feel that these people, while usually well-intended, are living in the
past, and are either basing their recommendation on their experiences with
older operating systems, or are simply inexperienced and uninformed.

Certainly, there are times when an in-place upgrade is
contra-indicated:

1) When the underlying hardware isn't certified as being fully compatible
with the newer OS, and/or updated device drivers are not available from
the device's manufacturer. Of course, this condition also causes problems
with clean installations.

2) When the original OS is corrupt, damaged, and/or virus/malware
infested. I've also seen simple, straight-forward upgrades from WinXP
Home to WinXP Pro fail because the computer owner had let the system
become malware-infested. Upgrading over a problematic OS isn't normally a
wise course to establishing a stable installation.

3) When the new OS isn't designed to properly, correctly, and safely
perform an upgrade.

A properly prepared and maintained PC can almost always be
successfully upgraded by a knowledgeable and competent individual. I've
lost count of the systems I've seen that have been upgraded from Win95 to
Win98 to Win2K to WinXP and some of them now to Vista (usually with
incremental hardware upgrades over the same time period), without the need
for a clean installation, and that are still operating without any
problems attributable to upgrades.
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I've not installed over another OS for years, prefering to always do clean
installs but i'll take your word that things have improved.
It's interesting to know they have changed the upgrade process though, I
don't think i'll be buying upgrade disks anytime soon.
Cheers.
 
Bruce said:
We did. You advised waiting for SP1, which strongly implied that the
service pack would fix the issues.
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Well if there were no "issues" to be fixed, then MickeyMouse wouldn't
release service packs, now would they?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Doris said:
Well if there were no "issues" to be fixed, then MickeyMouse wouldn't
release service packs, now would they?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
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Now Doris, you haven't had any work from MickeyMouse for years and Rock
has been helping you for so long to overcome your 'issues" so be grateful!
Frank
 
We did. You advised waiting for SP1, which strongly implied that the
service pack would fix the issues.
Click to expand...

I believe I advised waiting for at least SP1 - which means, don't consider
it before then. Wait and see - SP1 will probably make vista more usable,
but no guarantee.
 
ray wrote:
...Wait and see - SP1 will probably make vista more usable,
but no guarantee.
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Stability does not appear to be an "issue" with Vista. Are you using
Vista? Which install do you have? When you say "stability" what exactly
do you mean? Would you cite some an example?
THX
Frank
 
ray said:
I believe I advised waiting for at least SP1 - which means, don't consider
it before then. Wait and see - SP1 will probably make vista more usable,
but no guarantee.
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In what way do you find Vista to be less than "usable," now?


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Doris said:
Well if there were no "issues" to be fixed, then MickeyMouse wouldn't
release service packs, now would they?
Click to expand...


Then, if we were to follow your logic, the simple fact that there is,
as yet, no Vista service pack proves that there are no issues. We both
know that's not necessarily the case, so your reasoning must be flawed,
wouldn't you say? Remember, what Ray implied, although perhaps not
intentionally, was that a service pack would fix issues caused by 3rd
party drivers. Do try to keep up.


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ray wrote:
...Wait and see - SP1 will probably make vista more usable,

Stability does not appear to be an "issue" with Vista. Are you using
Vista? Which install do you have? When you say "stability" what exactly
do you mean? Would you cite some an example?
THX
Frank
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I don't recall using the word stability. If I were after stability, I'd go
for Linux.
 
ray said:
My God, man - read the group!
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Don't have a real answer, eh? Isn't that like saying that hospitals
cause sickness and death because nearly everyone in them is sick or dying?

I didn't ask if a small minority of Vista users were having problems, I
asked why *you* claimed Vista is unusable. Falsely, I might add, as
millions of people are using it without problem.


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ray wrote:


....If I were after stability, I'd go for Linux.

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So you are implying that Vista is not stable?
Is that correct?
Based on what evidence?
THX
Frank
 
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