Uniblue Registry Booster and registry scans.

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rq

I am using this program to clean up my registry and it seems to work fine except the errors keep coming back. I can do a scan, clean up all the errors and then shut down and start up and I have a new 20 registry error list and most or all of the errors relate to "bad path for the value" and its windows files that seem to be at fault.
I don't understand why Microsoft operating system would create registry errors on a startup, before anything has been installed etc.

Any ideas on this, is RegistryBooster misleading me or what. I am running win 7 but it did the same thing on vista home premium so I think the question is valid for this group.
Thanks.


qq
 
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Charlie Tame

Definitely not a recommended practice, they cannot possibly know
everything about every program every user has installed, so the end
result is likely to be broken software and missing paths. This may well
be what has occurred in your case. The windows registry generally does
contain redundant stuff, some it put there by Microsoft and for a
purpose and some maybe left because something changed during an update,
but unused registry entries don't get searched for so although they take
up a few bytes each they don't have much impact on speed.

The risks of removing a needed entry though are great, you wouldn't
throw away your spare tire just because you don't need it right this moment.

I've heard various things about Uniblue and would not use it, but a lot
of so called "Cleaning" programs actually create errors so they look
useful, after all you paid $50 for it you expect to see it doing something.

Nor there is a case for occasionally running a disk drive scan followed
by defragmenting, the free PowerDefragmenter is just a font end for an
official program which is known to be safe to use, you most likely will
gain you best speed increase from those two measures.

Has anything actually stopped working? If not I would leave well alone.
 
N

NetLink_Blue

rq said:
I am using this program to clean up my registry and it seems to work
fine except the errors keep coming back. I can do a scan, clean up all
the errors and then shut down and start up and I have a new 20 registry
error list and most or all of the errors relate to "bad path for the
value" and its windows files that seem to be at fault.
I don't understand why Microsoft operating system would create registry
errors on a startup, before anything has been installed etc.

Maybe to have Windows prepped and ready, when and if these items ARE
installed.

If the system insists on returning these items to the registry, I would
leave these alone.

Any ideas on this, is RegistryBooster misleading me or what. I am
running win 7 but it did the same thing on vista home premium so I
think the question is valid for this group.
Thanks.


qq

I don't think RegBooster is misleading you.

=-=-=-=-

When I clean my car, it seems to run better and get better gas mileage.
A similar effect is achieved by scrubbing my registry.

There is no tsunami of problems due to folks running reg-cleaners. The
tidal wave of problems is due to other causes. Unfortunately, reg
cleaners will not help in these situations.

Net_blue
 
B

Bruce Chambers

rq said:
I am using this program to clean up my registry and it seems to work fine except the errors keep coming back. I can do a scan, clean up all the errors and then shut down and start up and I have a new 20 registry error list and most or all of the errors relate to "bad path for the value" and its windows files that seem to be at fault.
I don't understand why Microsoft operating system would create registry errors on a startup, before anything has been installed etc.

Any ideas on this, is RegistryBooster misleading me or what. I am running win 7 but it did the same thing on vista home premium so I think the question is valid for this group.
Thanks.


qq


Of course, it's "misleading" you. Like all registry "cleaners," it's
pure Snake Oil. Also, in this case, it's just another scam to separate
the gullible from their money.

Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry "cleaner?"

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.

A little further reading on the subject:

Why I don't use registry cleaners
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

AumHa Forums • View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry
Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099


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Charlie Tame

Bruce said:
Of course, it's "misleading" you. Like all registry "cleaners,"
it's pure Snake Oil. Also, in this case, it's just another scam to
separate the gullible from their money.

Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry "cleaner?"

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.

A little further reading on the subject:

Why I don't use registry cleaners
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

AumHa Forums • View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry
Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099

Well if you don't know what the problem is in the registry then a
diagnostic tool could help, but it is exactly as you said, the registry
knows all about your computer, your operating system and your users,
that's what it does. It "Learns" what you and other users install and
remove. How could a registry cleaner know about a program you wrote
yourself, so run the cleaner and oops, your program no longer works.

I don't do much of this at work now, in fact I seem to have been
"Promoted" to the guy who cleans the carpets and unblock plugged
toilets, but they still pay me the same so who cares, but all of the
machine that have given trouble in the past boil down to things that
registry cleaning will not fix, if anything it will make it worse
because information is lost.

What I would say is if you feel you must use one then get one that
guarantees to remember what it it did and in the event that Windows
fails to start be able to restore what it did. Remember all these things
are worthless to you if you cant get back to point and click "Put it all
back status" and if you can't point and click to put it all abck then
point and click to remove it is hazardous.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I am using this program to clean up my registry and it seems to work fine except the errors keep coming back. I can do a scan, clean up all the errors and then shut down and start up and I have a new 20 registry error list and most or all of the errors relate to "bad path for the value" and its windows files that seem to be at fault.
I don't understand why Microsoft operating system would create registry errors on a startup, before anything has been installed etc.

Any ideas on this, is RegistryBooster misleading me or what. I am running win 7 but it did the same thing on vista home premium so I think the question is valid for this group.
Thanks.


Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
 
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rq

Thanks for all the info and advice. I will be a lot more careful with the use of these programs in the future.

qq

I am using this program to clean up my registry and it seems to work fine except the errors keep coming back. I can do a scan, clean up all the errors and then shut down and start up and I have a new 20 registry error list and most or all of the errors relate to "bad path for the value" and its windows files that seem to be at fault.
I don't understand why Microsoft operating system would create registry errors on a startup, before anything has been installed etc.

Any ideas on this, is RegistryBooster misleading me or what. I am running win 7 but it did the same thing on vista home premium so I think the question is valid for this group.
Thanks.


qq
 
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Old Rookie

I agree with Ken. In working on hundreds and hundreds of workstations and
servers I have never ONCE tried to use a registry cleaner. If there are
problems with the registry it usually is due to it being corrupt and a
registry cleaner will not fix that. If one has has removed
applications/executables trying to load at startup use msconfig to resolve
that and use Windows Installer CleanUp utility to resolve problems with
problem applications using Windows Installer. I have clients jack up
computers and servers pretty badly trying to use a registry cleaner [I am
not saying all are junk/dangerous but too many are] and they never seem to
have a backup of the System State, the whole computer, or the registry
before they ever try such.

Steve
 
M

milt

How strange is that? It's almost as if Uniblue is trying to deceive me
so I buy their product. But that can't be, can it?

Of course it was, because ALL Registry cleaners are snake oil, they do
NOTHING useful and more times than not, can foul up your system to the
point only a reinstall can repair it. So that result doesn't surprise me
at all. I've seen people report these "registry cleaners" report over
100 errors on a freshly installed copy of Windows, how could that be
possible?

Best advice, get rid of "Registry Mechanic" and avoid all programs like
it, the registry never needs to be "cleaned", "optimized" or anything
else of the sort. Leave the registry alone if you don't know what you
are doing with it.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

I have used PC Tools "Registry Mechanic" for about 2 years and I have
found it to be quick, easy and reliable.


Then consider yourself lucky. Registry cleaning programs are *all*
snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous.
Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software
try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really
hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

and http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099

and also
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx

Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
cleaner and never had a problem with it.

Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
bargain.

Out of curiosity, I ran Uniblue's trial product AFTER a full scan &
clean up by Registry Mechanic.
You'll never guess what. Uniblue reported over 120 errors in my
registry.
I checked again with Registry Mechanic and there were no errors.
How strange is that? It's almost as if Uniblue is trying to deceive me
so I buy their product. But that can't be, can it?



Sure it can.
 
C

Chas

If you want to mess up your system, just install and run uniblue or any
other so-called registry cleaners.
 

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