Unable to network computers after XP repair

G

Guest

I had 4 computers at home networked using simple networking. All are running
XP Pro.

One workstation was upgraded and due to a glitch in the upgrade I had to
repair XP pro.

Following the repair the repaired workstation does not see any other
computers on the network. I tried running the network setup wizard to
redefine the network and changed the workgroup name under My Computer
Properties without any impact.

I have no idea where to look or how to uninstall networking and reinstall
from scratch. All assistance appreciated.
 
C

Chuck

I had 4 computers at home networked using simple networking. All are running
XP Pro.

One workstation was upgraded and due to a glitch in the upgrade I had to
repair XP pro.

Following the repair the repaired workstation does not see any other
computers on the network. I tried running the network setup wizard to
redefine the network and changed the workgroup name under My Computer
Properties without any impact.

I have no idea where to look or how to uninstall networking and reinstall
from scratch. All assistance appreciated.

Mike,

What SP level are the computers? If any running SP2, is the Windows Firewall
File and Printer Sharing exception enabled on each? Any third party firewalls?

If that doesn't make any help, check for a browser conflict between the WinXP
computers. I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the
program that allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. On a 4
computer LAN, you should have only 2 browsers, any more causes conflicts and
needless chatting. Identify the 2 computers that stay online the most, and
designate them the browsers.

Make sure the browser service is running on the browser computers. Control
Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser, and
the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started. Stop, then
Disable the browser service on the others.

After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power all computers off to reset
the browser settings on each. Then power the browser computers on, and then the
others.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

You can download Browstat from either:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
browser.
For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>

The browser requires anonymous access, so look at registry key
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous.
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/regentry/46688.asp>
<http://www.jsifaq.com/subf/tip2600/rh2625.htm>
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246261
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296403

The above articles refer to Windows 2000. Remember WinXP is NT V5.1, and Win2K
is NT V5.0.

Have you used the Registry Editor before? If not, it's a scary tool, but it's
pretty simple once you get used to it. Here are a couple articles that might
help:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...home/using/productdoc/en/tools_regeditors.asp>
<http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/registry>

Just remember to backup the key (create a registry patch) for
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa] before making any changes, if
appropriate.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

Chuck thanks for the quick response. All computers are running SP2. I
religiously update all computers at the same time with recent updates.
Typically weekly.

I have used the registry editor before and have no problem using it.

I will be unable to chase this down until the weekend. However, I will read
the links in advance and take a shot at resolving this ASAP.

Chuck said:
I had 4 computers at home networked using simple networking. All are running
XP Pro.

One workstation was upgraded and due to a glitch in the upgrade I had to
repair XP pro.

Following the repair the repaired workstation does not see any other
computers on the network. I tried running the network setup wizard to
redefine the network and changed the workgroup name under My Computer
Properties without any impact.

I have no idea where to look or how to uninstall networking and reinstall
from scratch. All assistance appreciated.

Mike,

What SP level are the computers? If any running SP2, is the Windows Firewall
File and Printer Sharing exception enabled on each? Any third party firewalls?

If that doesn't make any help, check for a browser conflict between the WinXP
computers. I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the
program that allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. On a 4
computer LAN, you should have only 2 browsers, any more causes conflicts and
needless chatting. Identify the 2 computers that stay online the most, and
designate them the browsers.

Make sure the browser service is running on the browser computers. Control
Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser, and
the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started. Stop, then
Disable the browser service on the others.

After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power all computers off to reset
the browser settings on each. Then power the browser computers on, and then the
others.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

You can download Browstat from either:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
browser.
For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>

The browser requires anonymous access, so look at registry key
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous.
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/regentry/46688.asp>
<http://www.jsifaq.com/subf/tip2600/rh2625.htm>
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246261
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296403

The above articles refer to Windows 2000. Remember WinXP is NT V5.1, and Win2K
is NT V5.0.

Have you used the Registry Editor before? If not, it's a scary tool, but it's
pretty simple once you get used to it. Here are a couple articles that might
help:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...home/using/productdoc/en/tools_regeditors.asp>
<http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/registry>

Just remember to backup the key (create a registry patch) for
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa] before making any changes, if
appropriate.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

All computers are running SP2 with all updates installed.
I downloaded Browstat and run on all 4 workstations. The three without
problems showed the same workstation as the master.
The one I'm having a problem with showed itself as the master.
I checked the registry and verified all workstations with
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous set to
zero (0).

From what I understand, everything should be working ok, but it's not. The
one speficic workstation does not see the other workstations and they don't
see it. I read the articles and I'm not sure what my next step should be?


Chuck said:
I had 4 computers at home networked using simple networking. All are running
XP Pro.

One workstation was upgraded and due to a glitch in the upgrade I had to
repair XP pro.

Following the repair the repaired workstation does not see any other
computers on the network. I tried running the network setup wizard to
redefine the network and changed the workgroup name under My Computer
Properties without any impact.

I have no idea where to look or how to uninstall networking and reinstall
from scratch. All assistance appreciated.

Mike,

What SP level are the computers? If any running SP2, is the Windows Firewall
File and Printer Sharing exception enabled on each? Any third party firewalls?

If that doesn't make any help, check for a browser conflict between the WinXP
computers. I"m not talking about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the
program that allows any computer to see any other computer on the LAN. On a 4
computer LAN, you should have only 2 browsers, any more causes conflicts and
needless chatting. Identify the 2 computers that stay online the most, and
designate them the browsers.

Make sure the browser service is running on the browser computers. Control
Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser, and
the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status = Started. Stop, then
Disable the browser service on the others.

After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power all computers off to reset
the browser settings on each. Then power the browser computers on, and then the
others.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

You can download Browstat from either:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
browser.
For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>

The browser requires anonymous access, so look at registry key
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous.
<http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/regentry/46688.asp>
<http://www.jsifaq.com/subf/tip2600/rh2625.htm>
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246261
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296403

The above articles refer to Windows 2000. Remember WinXP is NT V5.1, and Win2K
is NT V5.0.

Have you used the Registry Editor before? If not, it's a scary tool, but it's
pretty simple once you get used to it. Here are a couple articles that might
help:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...home/using/productdoc/en/tools_regeditors.asp>
<http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/registry>

Just remember to backup the key (create a registry patch) for
[HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa] before making any changes, if
appropriate.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
C

Chuck

All computers are running SP2 with all updates installed.
I downloaded Browstat and run on all 4 workstations. The three without
problems showed the same workstation as the master.
The one I'm having a problem with showed itself as the master.
I checked the registry and verified all workstations with
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous set to
zero (0).

From what I understand, everything should be working ok, but it's not. The
one speficic workstation does not see the other workstations and they don't
see it. I read the articles and I'm not sure what my next step should be?

If it's total lack of connectivity, swap network cable and router port between
the problem computer, and one of the working computers.

Is Windows Firewall enabled? Is the File and Printer Sharing exception enabled?
Do you have any third party firewall?

Are you running both Client for Microsoft Networks, and File and Printer Sharing
for Microsoft Networks (Local Area Connection - Properties), on each computer?
Do you have shares setup on each?

Are you running NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (Local Area Connection - Properties - TCP/IP
- Properties - Advanced - WINS) on each computer?

Provide ipconfig information for the problem computer, and for one of the
working computers, and we'll see exactly what the problem is.
Start - Run - "cmd" - Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window. Open Notepad, make sure that Format - Word Wrap is NOT checked!, open
file c:\ipconfig.txt, copy and paste entire contents into your next post.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

It's not connectivity. I'm using the the PC to access the internet through my
wireless router as the only hardwired PC. I can ping the problem PC from the
other PCs without problems.

I run Norton Internet Security and have disabled it while trying to resolve
this problem. As a matter of fact, the pop up warning me that it's disabled
is driving me crazy.

Both Client for Microsoft Networks and File and Printer Sharing are running.

Shares are setup. When browsing the network from the PC in question, I see
the workgroup, then the computer and the shares on the local PC. The problem
is I don't see the other PC's on the workgroup, or the PC in questions from
the other PCs.

NetBIOS Over TCP/IP is enabled.

The following is the IPCONFIG information from the problem PC...


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : MdgDesktop

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking
Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-2F-62-AF-E0

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 205.152.37.23

205.152.144.23

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:26:37
AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:26:37 AM

The following is the INCONFIG information from the working PC...

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : MdgDell9100

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Dell Wireless WLAN 1450 Dual
Band WLAN Mini-PCI Card

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-90-96-B0-AF-95

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.104

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 205.152.37.23

205.152.144.23

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, March 12, 2005 8:21:21
AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:21:21 AM
 
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Chuck

It's not connectivity. I'm using the the PC to access the internet through my
wireless router as the only hardwired PC. I can ping the problem PC from the
other PCs without problems.

I run Norton Internet Security and have disabled it while trying to resolve
this problem. As a matter of fact, the pop up warning me that it's disabled
is driving me crazy.

Both Client for Microsoft Networks and File and Printer Sharing are running.

Shares are setup. When browsing the network from the PC in question, I see
the workgroup, then the computer and the shares on the local PC. The problem
is I don't see the other PC's on the workgroup, or the PC in questions from
the other PCs.

NetBIOS Over TCP/IP is enabled.

<SNIP>

OK, if the problem is simply seeing each computer, let's check for a browser
conflict between the WinXP computers and the Win98 computers. I"m not talking
about Internet Explorer here. The browser is the program that allows any
computer to see any other computer on the LAN. On a LAN with 4 computers, you
should have just 2 running the browser.

Identify the 2 computers that stay online the most consistently, and designate
them the browsers. Make sure the browser service is running on the browser
computers. Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the
Computer Browser, and the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper, services both show with Status
= Started. Disable the browser service (only) on the other 2 computers.

After checking / disabling / enabling as above, power all computers off to reset
the browser settings on each. Once ALL computers have been powered off, power
them back on.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers (I'm not talking about
Internet Explorer here) you have in your domain / workgroup, at any time.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

You can download Browstat from either:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), and needs no install. Just unzip the downloaded
file, copy browstat.exe to any folder in the Path, and run it from a command
window, by "browstat status". Make sure all computers list the same master
browser.
For more information about the browser subsystem (very intricate), see:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188001
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

I thought we covered this in an earlier dialog on this post.

Here is the browstat output from the problem PC...

Status for domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: MDGDESKTOP
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master MDGDESKTOP
\\MDGDESKTOP
There are 1 servers in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}
There are 1 domains in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}


and here is the browstat output from the working PC...

Status for domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: MDGDELL9100
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master MDGDELL9100
\\MDGDELL9100
There are 2 servers in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}
There are 1 domains in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}
 
C

Chuck

I thought we covered this in an earlier dialog on this post.

Here is the browstat output from the problem PC...

Status for domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: MDGDESKTOP
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master MDGDESKTOP
\\MDGDESKTOP
There are 1 servers in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}
There are 1 domains in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B1DD8BCE-2EB2-4D9F-A3FF-19C7A482FF50}


and here is the browstat output from the working PC...

Status for domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: MDGDELL9100
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master MDGDELL9100
\\MDGDELL9100
There are 2 servers in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}
There are 1 domains in domain HOMENETWORK on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3CC29016-A261-4738-A325-6BD3328D3276}

Actually we covered this previously in description, though sometimes it helps to
look at the details.

OK, it's not a physical connectivity issue. And you've pinged by name too
(right?), and IPConfig shows no Node Type problems so it's not a name resolution
issue. And you've loaded and activated all network components (and hopefully
compared Service Status (Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Services) on the
two computers). But browstat shows two computers simply not seeing each other.

Norton Internet Security is known (do some searching in this forum if you wish)
for causing problems with file sharing, even when not enabled. You have 2
choices:
1) Un install completely following all instructions provided by Symantec.
2) Enable and configure per the manual.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
M

M D Gallaugher

Ok, I bit the bullet and uninstalled Norton Internet Security. It's a
little better...
The PC in question now is seen by the other PCs when I View Workgroup
Computers.

However, when I try to browse the computer in question, I receive the
following message:
"... is not accessable. You might not have permission to use this network
resource..."

I have file and print sharing turned on and the shares on the PC are set up
to allow others to
change my files.

In addition, the other computers on the home network cannot be seen by the
PC in question.

Another Item in question. You had me uninstall NIS. How come I've been
running NIS on the
workstation in question for over a year without a problem? The problem only
occured after I had
to repair the Windows intallation on the PC in question.
 
C

Chuck

Ok, I bit the bullet and uninstalled Norton Internet Security. It's a
little better...
The PC in question now is seen by the other PCs when I View Workgroup
Computers.

However, when I try to browse the computer in question, I receive the
following message:
"... is not accessable. You might not have permission to use this network
resource..."

I have file and print sharing turned on and the shares on the PC are set up
to allow others to
change my files.

In addition, the other computers on the home network cannot be seen by the
PC in question.

Another Item in question. You had me uninstall NIS. How come I've been
running NIS on the
workstation in question for over a year without a problem? The problem only
occured after I had
to repair the Windows intallation on the PC in question.

The error "... is not accessable. You might not have permission to use this
network resource..." can have various causes.
- Physical network broken.
- Firewall problem.
- Name resolution problem.
- Browser problem.
- Permissions problem.

Norton Personal Firewall makes a lot of hooks into the network portion of the
operating system. If you repair the operating system, you're running a
Microsoft procedure. That Microsoft procedure may not successfully repair the
network, with NPF installed.

Did you try enabling and configuring NPF? That was an alternative, and one
which in my experience is more effective than (the third, already tried)
disabling NPF.

Based upon a system repair as being anecdotally involved with the problem, and
with a third party network product being installed, I suspected we would be
better off without NPF to complicate things.

Now with NPF out of the way, let's look at the browser situation again. The
immediate cause of the lack of visibility is that both MDGDESKTOP and
MDGDELL9100 have elected themselves master browsers. MDGDELL9100 sees other
servers, but MDGDESKTOP sees only itself.

On a 4 computer LAN, you should have no more than 2 browsers - a master and a
backup. The master browser election is a pretty complicated peer-peer process.
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>

The backup browser has to accept that role - it can't be a second master
browser.

Try powering all 4 computers off, one after the other. Then power each one back
on, starting with the computer that stays online the most consistently, so it
will elect itself as the master browser, and give the others the chance to
accept that election. See if that corrects the browser situation.

If that doessn't fix things, we'll start diagnosing the problem.

BTW, Mike, posting your email address openly will get you more unwanted email,
than wanted email. Learn to munge your email address properly, to keep yourself
a bit safer when posting to open forums. Protect yourself and the rest of the
internet - read this article.
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm

One of the advantages of using the Microsoft CDO to post your messages is that
the only email address that gets exposed was MrMike <AT>
discussions.microsoft.com.

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
G

Guest

Well, I sat down yesterday and started up all 4 workstations in various
order. 3 of the 4 all recoginzed the first one started in the groups as the
master. The problem workstation still does not see the others as part of the
workgroup. The others still see the problem workstation but get a "... is
not accessable. You might not have permission to use this network
resource..." when trying to browse the workgroup computer. In all the above
scenarios, I started the workstations one at a time and waited 30-60 minutes
before starting the next workstation. I tested access between the
workstations when each new workstations was started. The problem PC selects
itself as the master and the others select the first of the three as their
master.
 
C

Chuck

Well, I sat down yesterday and started up all 4 workstations in various
order. 3 of the 4 all recoginzed the first one started in the groups as the
master. The problem workstation still does not see the others as part of the
workgroup. The others still see the problem workstation but get a "... is
not accessable. You might not have permission to use this network
resource..." when trying to browse the workgroup computer. In all the above
scenarios, I started the workstations one at a time and waited 30-60 minutes
before starting the next workstation. I tested access between the
workstations when each new workstations was started. The problem PC selects
itself as the master and the others select the first of the three as their
master.

OK, to be facetious, we now know why the computers in question don't see each
other. The question is why can't the four computers legally elect ONE master
browser?

What happens if you shut off the browser service on the problem computer? Did
we try that yet?

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Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
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Chuck

Well, I sat down yesterday and started up all 4 workstations in various
order. 3 of the 4 all recoginzed the first one started in the groups as the
master. The problem workstation still does not see the others as part of the
workgroup. The others still see the problem workstation but get a "... is
not accessable. You might not have permission to use this network
resource..." when trying to browse the workgroup computer. In all the above
scenarios, I started the workstations one at a time and waited 30-60 minutes
before starting the next workstation. I tested access between the
workstations when each new workstations was started. The problem PC selects
itself as the master and the others select the first of the three as their
master.

OK, to be facetious, we now know why the computers in question don't see each
other. The question is why can't the four computers legally elect ONE master
browser?

What happens if you shut off the browser service on the problem computer? Did
we try that yet?

You repaired the OS on the problem computer (why did you have to anyway?), did
you also repair the LSP / Winsock / TCP/IP itself? Corrupt LSP/Winsock / TCP/IP
has been responsible for other strange symptoms - so try this.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=318584
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811259

If XP RTM or Service Pack 1:
1. Backup and delete the following registry keys:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Winsock
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Winsock2
2. Reboot.
3. Open the network connections folder, right click your network connection, and
click Properties.
4. Click Install | Protocol | Add.
5. Click "Have Disk...", type "\windows\inf" in the box, and click OK.
6. Click "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)", then click OK.
7. Reboot.

If XP SP2:
1. Start - Run - "cmd".
2. Type "netsh winsock reset catalog" into the command window.

Give LSP-Fix <http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm>, WinsockFix
<http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=257>, or WinsockXPFix
<http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html> a shot.

If no help yet, reset TCP/IP.
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=299357

Start - Run - "cmd". Type "netsh int ip reset c:\netsh.txt" into the command
window.

If no help so far, get either Belarc Advisor or Everest (two recognised
standardised system configuration reports) and run on all 4 computers. Generate
as much detail as available (IOW all reporting options). Email all 4 reports to
me, maybe I can sport something.
Belarc <http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html>
Everest <http://www.lavalys.com/>

--
Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck sonic net.
 
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Guest

I'll try to answer your questions...

I tried stopping the Computer Browser Service on the problem PC with two
other PCs up an running. When I try to browse the Network, I get : "....
Homenetwork is unavailable. You might not have permissions..... The List of
servers for this workgroups is not currently available."

When I try to browse from the other PCs it get "\\Mdgdesktop is not
accessable. You might not have permission... The network path was not found"

I repaired the OS because I upgraded my motherboard and got hung up with the
initial boot. The only boot I could do was from the CD-ROM with the original
media. Therefore, I repaired, reinstalled SP2, and downloaded all the
current updates.

I will try the repair of the LSP / Winsock / Tcpip next and let you know
what I find out.

Thanks for you persistance....

Mr Mike
 
G

Guest

Chuck, you'll love this one. I was in the process of trying eveything you
recommended and decided to put my old NIC back in and give that a try... and
guess what? Everytihng stated working just fine. It's the strangest thing.
I can ping each computer with the onboard LAN port but can not get simple
networking to work. Everything works fine with the old NIC.

Thanks for everything...

Mr Mike
 

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