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Vic Dura
Anybody have any experiences to share about Ubuntu? Good, Bad,
Indifferent?
Indifferent?
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Man-wai Chang
Vic said:
Running a home server with it since Aug 2005. Doing BT download most of
the time and SETI@home.
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Steve H
Well, it installs easily - I had less trouble than I've had with other
distros.
Additional comments in the thread 'You get what you pay for'..
Regards,
K
kenny
Yet another hobbyist?
Kubuntu is a little better....
There are live versions that you can use by booting with the cd so you can
see
how rediculous, cough*, I mean how they are.
Kubuntu is a little better....
There are live versions that you can use by booting with the cd so you can
see
how rediculous, cough*, I mean how they are.
B
Bill Turner
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I just received the two disks yesterday and installed it. There was a hangup
at one point during the installation but I told it to continue anyway and it
seems to work ok. I may find something that doesn't work, but for now I
don't see it.
This is the first Linux distro ever that recognized my sound card. Until
yesterday I had never heard sounds from Linux so perhaps there is hope yet,
although you will note I'm writing this using Outlook Express and WinXP.
I don't care at all for the ugly brown theme on everything but I suppose
that can be changed. The user interface is nice; simple, clean and
effective. Well thought out.
Bill T.
Vic Dura said:
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I just received the two disks yesterday and installed it. There was a hangup
at one point during the installation but I told it to continue anyway and it
seems to work ok. I may find something that doesn't work, but for now I
don't see it.
This is the first Linux distro ever that recognized my sound card. Until
yesterday I had never heard sounds from Linux so perhaps there is hope yet,
although you will note I'm writing this using Outlook Express and WinXP.
I don't care at all for the ugly brown theme on everything but I suppose
that can be changed. The user interface is nice; simple, clean and
effective. Well thought out.
Bill T.
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old jon
Hi Bill. You have get Kubuntu to get the pretty interface (KDE that is).Bill Turner said:
I`ve tried several distros but only ever got one to work (pclinuxos worked
fairly well.)
But even that didn`t like some of my hardware very much.
So I`m `resting` linux `till later.
best wishes..OJ
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El Gee
Vic said:
Ubuntu is the distro that got me using Linux. I had played with many
distro's and none of them did much for me.
I have been running a server (ftp / web / torrent) for over a year. I
stripped it down (XFCE as a Window Manager and removed most of the media
tools, etc) and it runs just fine on my 400 mhz Celeron with 512 megs RAM.
The version I am currently usimg is 5.10 (Breezy Badger). They have new
distro updates every 6 months. As with Windows programs, it is best to
do a clean install if you want to change versions.
The other nice thing was the HUGE following on the Ubuntu Forums. Those
folks there are very helpful.
Just my .02, YMMV
Vic, you are welcome to e-mail me for more specific info.
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Anonymous
Vic Dura submitted this idea :
I partitioned my drive and tried to load nearly twenty distros of
Linux. They ALL refused to load in. Even the Live CD's failed to work.
None of them even told me why or gave any clues as to how i might fix
the problem(s) (I have a AMD Athlon 1800 motherboard with a 80 Gig HD
and over 600 MB of Ram.)
The ONLY Linux Distro that EVER worked was the Live CD of Ubuntu. It
started my machine, works just fine from the Live CD, and looks like a
great OS. I was very happy to FINALLY find a version of Linux that
actually worked on my machine. (What I mean to say is that I don't feel
that my computer contains hardware that is so "exotic" that Linus
couldn't use it to run.)
Ubuntu's Live CD worked, but I'll admit that I haven't "crossed over"
to Linux and installed Ubuntu's Full Distro as my primary OS.
My only concern is that Ubuntu won't "see" or use my modem, but that is
not a big issue compared to the assets that Linux offers.
I partitioned my drive and tried to load nearly twenty distros of
Linux. They ALL refused to load in. Even the Live CD's failed to work.
None of them even told me why or gave any clues as to how i might fix
the problem(s) (I have a AMD Athlon 1800 motherboard with a 80 Gig HD
and over 600 MB of Ram.)
The ONLY Linux Distro that EVER worked was the Live CD of Ubuntu. It
started my machine, works just fine from the Live CD, and looks like a
great OS. I was very happy to FINALLY find a version of Linux that
actually worked on my machine. (What I mean to say is that I don't feel
that my computer contains hardware that is so "exotic" that Linus
couldn't use it to run.)
Ubuntu's Live CD worked, but I'll admit that I haven't "crossed over"
to Linux and installed Ubuntu's Full Distro as my primary OS.
My only concern is that Ubuntu won't "see" or use my modem, but that is
not a big issue compared to the assets that Linux offers.
R
RGreen
Anonymous said:
And the asset is...? Just checking.
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Harvey Van Sickle
On 13 Jan 2006, Vic Dura wrote
My tuppence.
Ubuntu looks good; it seems better (and a lot more user-friendly)
than the version of Suse I'd tried before (9.3, IIRC). Ubuntu
found a driver for my Canon printer, for example, and I was up and
running on the Internet (cable modem) immediately.
It's also greatly improved the installation of applications --
except not quite well enough yet, IMO, to be recommendable to
faint-hearts. Some examples:
I got it to install -- apparently -- a media player/radio streamer,
but the thing doesn't work out of the box, and I need to do some
troubleshooting. (It claims to be buffering the radio streams, but
when it gets to 100% just starts over at 0% and cycles it over and
over again without playing the stream.)
I tried to install WINE (which I wanted in case XNews could run) --
the application installer *claimed* it installed it OK, but doing a
"find" as recommended doesn't locate the relevant files, and it
doesn't seem to have been done properly.
Installation of RealPlayer -- which I hate, but need in order to
listen to the BBC streams -- comes with less-than-fully-but-
still-partly-geek installation instructions. I've not tried doing
it yet.
So: immediate reaction is "almost there". I hope that someday the
Linux community will crack the "click on this and we'll install the
program" nut, because until that happens for all the major
consumer-level add-onn apps it won't reach the number of desktops
one would like to see it reach.
My tuppence.
Ubuntu looks good; it seems better (and a lot more user-friendly)
than the version of Suse I'd tried before (9.3, IIRC). Ubuntu
found a driver for my Canon printer, for example, and I was up and
running on the Internet (cable modem) immediately.
It's also greatly improved the installation of applications --
except not quite well enough yet, IMO, to be recommendable to
faint-hearts. Some examples:
I got it to install -- apparently -- a media player/radio streamer,
but the thing doesn't work out of the box, and I need to do some
troubleshooting. (It claims to be buffering the radio streams, but
when it gets to 100% just starts over at 0% and cycles it over and
over again without playing the stream.)
I tried to install WINE (which I wanted in case XNews could run) --
the application installer *claimed* it installed it OK, but doing a
"find" as recommended doesn't locate the relevant files, and it
doesn't seem to have been done properly.
Installation of RealPlayer -- which I hate, but need in order to
listen to the BBC streams -- comes with less-than-fully-but-
still-partly-geek installation instructions. I've not tried doing
it yet.
So: immediate reaction is "almost there". I hope that someday the
Linux community will crack the "click on this and we'll install the
program" nut, because until that happens for all the major
consumer-level add-onn apps it won't reach the number of desktops
one would like to see it reach.
G
Gordon Darling
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Harvey Van Sickle
On 13 Jan 2006, Gordon Darling wrote
That's why I don't post these comments to Linux forums; I'm happy
to accept that it's not like Windows.
My point, though, is that pro-Linux people can't have it both ways.
If it's not Windows -- which it isn't -- it's not going to be able
to replace Windows on a large number of desktops in the forseeable
future.
The brigade who are touting Linux as being ready to take on Windows
at desktop level strike me as being every bit as unrealistic as the
"why isn't it Windows" people cited in that article.
That's why I don't post these comments to Linux forums; I'm happy
to accept that it's not like Windows.
My point, though, is that pro-Linux people can't have it both ways.
If it's not Windows -- which it isn't -- it's not going to be able
to replace Windows on a large number of desktops in the forseeable
future.
The brigade who are touting Linux as being ready to take on Windows
at desktop level strike me as being every bit as unrealistic as the
"why isn't it Windows" people cited in that article.
C
Craig
Vic said:
My experiences described below are based either on roaming w/lappy or on
a home-lan, mixed environ, networked periphs such as NAS, printers, etc....
Ubuntu (5.10) was the easiest Linux install for me to date. Others
tried were Suse, Knoppix, Debian (the "source" for Ubuntu) and BSD. It
recognized everything on my shuttle p4 system and most things on my VAIO
r505 lappy.
Setting up connections to access the internet, using the browser and
Evolution (which was fun, btw) are all drop-dead easy. Wireless (g-wpa)
was almost as easy. The support community is wonderful. In comparison
to the Flame-meisters in any number of Linux communities I've sought
help, Ubuntites are -by far- the friendliest and most patient (as a
*group*).
Now, for the gotchas:
1) Ubuntu, by default, does not allow root access. SU, yes, but in
critical areas, this is *not* the same. Trivial to overcome but...a
perplexing decision nonetheless
2) Ubuntu, by default, stresses the graphical interface to do admin.
Not-so trivial to overcome and a real annoyance when networking issues arose
3) Ubuntu in a lan'd environ...
..a) implementation of file-/directory-sharing (using samba) was
incomplete, resolution was delayed by #2
..b) adding networked printers was a fscking nightmare (resolution
delayed by #2)
4) Documentation (off-line, on-line) was...peripatetic. That is, it was
all over the map.
Fwiw, I'll try ubuntu again in the future but, I don't think they're
marketing it at me. Although I'm generally happy in GUI-land, when the
poop hits the fan, don't make me jump hoops to take command, that just
raises the frustration factor unnecessarily.
ymmv,
Craig
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Anonymous
RGreen wrote on 1/13/2006 :
Some assets are:
* Linux has no EULA stating a condition of sale that you don't really
own the software that you just bought with your hard-earned money.
* Linux doesn't come with any "phone-home" attachment that communicates
without your permission or approval with a company that is nearly as
big, as wealthy, and as powerful as the United States Federal
Government. Will the next version of Windows come with an "off-switch"
that can be activated from Redmond?
* Linux isn't sold by a man who routinely stole the software of others
and then bought enough politicians to pass laws against software piracy
so he could rich by selling his stolen wares and by suing the people
who try to steal the program that he stole.
* The Linux community provides enough free software, suites and
utilities that will allow anyone and any company to perform all their
computing tasks without making one man the richest guy and most
powerful man on the planet.
Are those assets enough? I could go on...
Þ
Some assets are:
* Linux has no EULA stating a condition of sale that you don't really
own the software that you just bought with your hard-earned money.
* Linux doesn't come with any "phone-home" attachment that communicates
without your permission or approval with a company that is nearly as
big, as wealthy, and as powerful as the United States Federal
Government. Will the next version of Windows come with an "off-switch"
that can be activated from Redmond?
* Linux isn't sold by a man who routinely stole the software of others
and then bought enough politicians to pass laws against software piracy
so he could rich by selling his stolen wares and by suing the people
who try to steal the program that he stole.
* The Linux community provides enough free software, suites and
utilities that will allow anyone and any company to perform all their
computing tasks without making one man the richest guy and most
powerful man on the planet.
Are those assets enough? I could go on...
Þ
R
RGreen
Anonymous said:
Sorry. You don't own Linux as you don't own Windows. Software cannot be
owned, only licensed. Every Linux distro I know has an EULA.
????? Which phone home? My firewall sucks. The only thing it detects calling
to Remond is Live update. And I can configure it!
Stealing routines? Hmmm... Like some GNU programs have been accused of using
patented routines?
M company uses oly freeware, except Windows.
B
Bill Turner
Anonymous said:
So what? I don't care to "own" software. I just want to use it and have it
work and I don't mind paying for that. I don't work for free and I don't
expect anyone else to either.
Do the math again. MS is nowhere as big, wealthy or as powerful as the US
government. Making statements like that reduces your credibilty to near
zero. I happen to like the automatic updates, which of course require
"phoning home" and does indeed have my permission. How else could it be
done? Psychic power?
Will the next version of Windows come with an "off-switch"
Please give us a list of software MS "stole". Provide details and list
arrest warrants. Theft is a crime, if it in fact exists. Calling someone a
thief if they are not is also a crime.
Bill G. is the..." most powerful man on the planet"? Your previously near
zero credibiltiy just hit absolute bottom. He's just another rich guy among
thousands of them. Somebody has to be number 1. The US President, whoever he
happens to be at the moment, is the most powerful man on the planet.
Are those assets enough? I could go on...
They are enough to convince me you are a paranoid schizophrenic. Look it up
in the dictionary. Your post fits perfectly. You are also a coward, hiding
behind your "anonymous". My sig below and in the header is my real name.
Bill T.
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Thip
Vic Dura said:
I like it. It installed like a dream, not one glitch. The only problem I
have with any Linux distro is that my mouse never works, and I have to cold
boot to get the mouse working again in Windows--but I'd say that's my
problem, not either OS's.
G
Gordon Darling
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:21:38 -0800, Bill Turner wrote:
"Complaints about open-source software policy reveal piracy rap in France.
Kim Zetter, special to PCWorld.com
Thursday, May 09, 2002
While Microsoft cracks down on software pirates the world over, the
software giant itself was quietly convicted of piracy charges in France
last fall--and the case, while supposedly under appeal, may cost the
company some business."
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,99104,00.asp
Google for the other cases.
Regards
Gordon
"Complaints about open-source software policy reveal piracy rap in France.
Kim Zetter, special to PCWorld.com
Thursday, May 09, 2002
While Microsoft cracks down on software pirates the world over, the
software giant itself was quietly convicted of piracy charges in France
last fall--and the case, while supposedly under appeal, may cost the
company some business."
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,99104,00.asp
Google for the other cases.
Regards
Gordon
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Anonymous
Bill Turner formulated on Friday :
My apologies. I was under the assumption that only mature adults were
participants in this forum. Hopefully, the moderator will post a
warning that small children who are uninformed, easily offended and
short-tempered are lurking in the background of this newsgroup.
My apologies. I was under the assumption that only mature adults were
participants in this forum. Hopefully, the moderator will post a
warning that small children who are uninformed, easily offended and
short-tempered are lurking in the background of this newsgroup.
B
Bill Turner
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"Moderator"???
LOL. Made my day.
Reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain: "It isn't the things a man don't know
gets him in trouble. It's the things he does know that ain't true."
Case closed.
Bill T.
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"Moderator"???
LOL. Made my day.
Reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain: "It isn't the things a man don't know
gets him in trouble. It's the things he does know that ain't true."
Case closed.
Bill T.