UAC Baby out with the bathwater

[keepout]

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the restof it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

 

[dev]

/[email protected]/ said:

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

Two things to try...

Right-click on the program, choose PROPERTIES|COMPATIBILITY tab and
check the "run as administrator" box.

If still no go, try uninstalling the program, the enabling UAC and
installing once again.

 

[Rock]

/[email protected]/ said:

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep
turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't
bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1
simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest
of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
ALL THE TIME !

Two things to try...

Right-click on the program, choose PROPERTIES|COMPATIBILITY tab and
check the "run as administrator" box.

If still no go, try uninstalling the program, the enabling UAC and
installing once again.

Checking run as administrator will result in it always prompting. Anything
run as administrator at startup will trigger this. The way to do it, if the
program can run without admin privileges, is to uncheck run as
administrator.

 

[Rock]

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning
it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother
me on this one again] toggle, but there
isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple
leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it
worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
ALL THE TIME !

There is no way to allow the program to run. Any program that needs admin
privileges or for which you check Run as Administrator at startup will
trigger this need to be unblocked. The purpose of the prompt is to ensure
that this time you intended this program to run.

I found your logic hard to understand. So you would give up the protection
of UAC ( and hence IE no longer running in protected mode) just because of
one program? Why not get rid of it; use something else that doesn't require
admin privileges? Check for a Vista upgrade?

Another option is to take a look at this.
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this small
program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
gain the same access rights that you have given that program.

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning
it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother
me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple
leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it
worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL
THE TIME !

 

[keepout]

The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this small
program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
gain the same access rights that you have given that program.

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

Hence the title of the post. I have no control with User Access Control of what runs on my machine without asking the machines permission.
It's all or nothing with UAC.
All I want is for it to run when I boot without having to tell the machine the same thing boot after boot. Doesn't give me much confidence in it's security that it can neither remember, or set some toggle to tellit THIS one's fine.
Last update was 2004. One of those few programs that doesn't add bloat ware year after year for the express purpose of emptying your pockets.
It was actually at 97% accuracy from it's 1st version.
No I'm not throwing out popfile until I find a spam sorter with 100% accuracy. Though I think popfile is at 100% now.

 

[mikeyhsd]

Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it to junk mail folder.
its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger lists.
why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable situation.



(e-mail address removed)



I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

 

[retroman]

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

Ronnie, many thanks for posting that link!

Doug M. in NJ

 

[Guest]

My issue is not that there is one "third party" program that doesnt play with
vista. The problem i have with Vista is that everyone says "well if a
program doesnt work with vista, just get rid of the program"
That logic is ridiculous. The whole point of technologies like http and xml
etc.. is for an eventual universal compatibility. When you buy a new
machine, you have very few options about what OS its going to have on it. As
tech-people we have a few more options, but the average home user doesnt.
Should we let MS dicatate every program we can run or not? sounds like
something they had a few law suits over a few years back. I have to admit,
its a neat trick if that is what they are doing. "Hey lets fix UAC so that
any competition we have causes a warning to pop up. then tell everyone they
should just buy different software."

I have the same pop-up issue on my vista box but not with a 3rd party
software. if i have UAC on, I get a notice every single time I need my
MICROSOFT live meeting client to turn on. I also have a hot-fix that is for
xp that vista keeps trying to install on my machine and I get prompted about
it every log-on. A way to attach a final "yes!! I ALWAYS want this file to
run!" onto a file would be nice.

Telling people to just deal with it is the type of mentality that is giving
OS like linux etc.. fast growing popularity.

Happy Wednesday all!

 

[Richard Urban]

He could always hammer the developer for a version designed for Vista.

Avast antivirus was acting the same with it's first Vista version. Within a
week they came out with another upgrade, one that really worked with Vista.
Problem solved.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep
turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't
bother me on this one again] toggle, but there
isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1
simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest
of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
ALL THE TIME !

There is no way to allow the program to run. Any program that needs admin
privileges or for which you check Run as Administrator at startup will
trigger this need to be unblocked. The purpose of the prompt is to ensure
that this time you intended this program to run.

I found your logic hard to understand. So you would give up the
protection of UAC ( and hence IE no longer running in protected mode) just
because of one program? Why not get rid of it; use something else that
doesn't require admin privileges? Check for a Vista upgrade?

Another option is to take a look at this.
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

 

[keepout]

Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it to junk mail folder.
its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger lists.
why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable situation.

I prefer Agent's text email since win98 when I spent the 1st 3 weeks removing virus that arrived in email. You're just asking for trouble opening yourself up to email spam with executables.
I really don't need unsolicited, games, programs, screen savers, etc.. that arrive as virus spam.

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the restof it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

 

[keepout]

The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this small
program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
gain the same access rights that you have given that program.

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

worked great as far as I know. if it hadn't I wouldn't be using email now.
This one of those Vista keeper hints.

Still can't get UAC on ie7 to turn the protected mode on.
I smack the thing in the toolbar, go thru all 4 settings and hit the protected on. And nothing happens when I quit and re-open ie7. Still off.
is this a vista flavor specific setting ? I have found that HP doesn't have all the bells and whistles it should have.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning
it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother
me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple
leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it
worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL
THE TIME !

 

[Rock]

The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this
small
program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
gain the same access rights that you have given that program.

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

Hence the title of the post. I have no control with User Access Control of
what runs on my machine without asking > the machines permission. It's
all or nothing with UAC.
All I want is for it to run when I boot without having to tell the machine
the same thing boot after boot. Doesn't give > me much confidence in it's
security that it can neither remember, or set some toggle to tell it THIS
one's fine.
Last update was 2004. One of those few programs that doesn't add bloat
ware year after year for the express
purpose of emptying your pockets. It was actually at 97% accuracy from
it's 1st version.
No I'm not throwing out popfile until I find a spam sorter with 100%
accuracy. Though I think popfile is at 100%
now.

--

Sorry but you have it backwards. UAC gives you the control instead of
allowing any program with admin privileges to do what it wants. All UAC
does is ask if you really want that program which is asking for admin
privileges to have at it. It's gives you control, it doesn't take it away.
You're not asking the machine's permission, it's asking for yours. Geez
can't you see the difference?

I gave you link with one way to resolve this. Why in the world, as Richard
asks, does a spam filter need admin privileges. Why aren't you asking
yourself that, and coming the the natural conclusion that it doesn't so why
use it?

I don't use a spam filter except for what is in OE. I hardly get any spam.
There is more than one way to resolve an issue, but to see that you have to
be willing to change.

 

[mikeyhsd]

it is not vista's fault that the author has not upgraded his/her program.
with each new os there are new restrictions, has been since windows 1.
as people have said, there is something not entirely ok with a program that requires administrative rights to simply check mail.



(e-mail address removed)



My issue is not that there is one "third party" program that doesnt play with
vista. The problem i have with Vista is that everyone says "well if a
program doesnt work with vista, just get rid of the program"
That logic is ridiculous. The whole point of technologies like http and xml
etc.. is for an eventual universal compatibility. When you buy a new
machine, you have very few options about what OS its going to have on it. As
tech-people we have a few more options, but the average home user doesnt.
Should we let MS dicatate every program we can run or not? sounds like
something they had a few law suits over a few years back. I have to admit,
its a neat trick if that is what they are doing. "Hey lets fix UAC so that
any competition we have causes a warning to pop up. then tell everyone they
should just buy different software."

I have the same pop-up issue on my vista box but not with a 3rd party
software. if i have UAC on, I get a notice every single time I need my
MICROSOFT live meeting client to turn on. I also have a hot-fix that is for
xp that vista keeps trying to install on my machine and I get prompted about
it every log-on. A way to attach a final "yes!! I ALWAYS want this file to
run!" onto a file would be nice.

Telling people to just deal with it is the type of mentality that is giving
OS like linux etc.. fast growing popularity.

Happy Wednesday all!

Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it to junk mail folder.
its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger lists.
why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable situation.



(e-mail address removed)



I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Doug

Your welcome. Glad to help.

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Victor

Microsoft does not dictate what software you can run on your computer. The
only thing it does dictate is that the software must meet the compatibility
and security programming guidelines for the operating system. If a software
developer refuses to do this, then it is not up to Microsoft to change the
operating system to suit that particular developer. If a program developer
does refuse to meet these guidelines, then they will logically face the
consequences.

UAC is not selective. If a program wants to access restricted areas of the
system, that program must ask for and get permission from the user first.
"Get rid of the program" is logical. The only other logical option is to try
and get the developer to make a compatible version. Defeating the built-in
security of the entire OS, to make a third party work, is the only illogical
conclusion.

In the past, developers were given free access to any part of the OS for
their applications. This resulted in programs causing system instability and
security nightmares. The new security model and compatibility requirements
in Vista will address most of these problems, but the developers must do
some work if they want their software to run on Vista.

There are still programs out there that are not compatible even with Windows
XP , although the guidelines for that OS have been published for the last 7
years?

Even with Vista, Microsoft added Software Virtualization so that many legacy
programs, that were not compatible with Vista, would still work until the
developer can change the code for that program. But Virtualization will not
be around forever, so the developers have a limited amount of time to make
their programs compatible.

Microsoft has a complete division that has the sole purpose of assisting
developers in meeting the requirements for making their software work on any
of their operating systems, free of charge.

This has nothing to do with anti-trust issues, these issues only apply if a
company who holds a monopoly position in an industry takes advantage of that
position to stifle competition. It's not illegal to be a monopoly.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

My issue is not that there is one "third party" program that doesnt play
with
vista. The problem i have with Vista is that everyone says "well if a
program doesnt work with vista, just get rid of the program"
That logic is ridiculous. The whole point of technologies like http and
xml
etc.. is for an eventual universal compatibility. When you buy a new
machine, you have very few options about what OS its going to have on it.
As
tech-people we have a few more options, but the average home user doesnt.
Should we let MS dicatate every program we can run or not? sounds like
something they had a few law suits over a few years back. I have to
admit,
its a neat trick if that is what they are doing. "Hey lets fix UAC so
that
any competition we have causes a warning to pop up. then tell everyone
they
should just buy different software."

I have the same pop-up issue on my vista box but not with a 3rd party
software. if i have UAC on, I get a notice every single time I need my
MICROSOFT live meeting client to turn on. I also have a hot-fix that is
for
xp that vista keeps trying to install on my machine and I get prompted
about
it every log-on. A way to attach a final "yes!! I ALWAYS want this file
to
run!" onto a file would be nice.

Telling people to just deal with it is the type of mentality that is
giving
OS like linux etc.. fast growing popularity.

Happy Wednesday all!

Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it
to junk mail folder.
its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger
lists.
why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable
situation.



(e-mail address removed)



I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep
turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't
bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1
simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest
of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
ALL THE TIME !