Two camera mix in MM2

[Yahoo! Serious]

I have film footage of a live concert shot with two cameras bith on DV
format.
Can anyone here recomend MM2 to make a multicamera mix of this show?
I have fiddled with mm1 for quite some time and dont see any solution to
making a 2 cam mix with it.
Now I have mm2 and really dont see that program doing what I want either..
Please help!
THanks
Yahoo!

 

[John Kelly]

Hi there,

Exactly what kind of effect are you hoping to achieve. MM2 does a very good
job of fading from one clip to the next. There are also extra transitions
that can be obtained from Pixelan.com. I have them and very nice they are.

If you are hoping to have a picture in Picture effect, Movie Maker 2 with
those extra transitions can come part way to doing it. Its a very long
transition from one to the other...they are good, but not like you see on
TV. If you want true picture in picture so that the only image to change is
the smaller one then I'm afraid MM2 can not do that (at this time) There
are other far more advanced and very much harder to use programs at a very
reasonable price that will do it...but that's beyond the scope of this
newsgroup

 

[Yahoo! Serious]

John thank you for your reply.Can you tell me the best way to line both of
the video streams up so I can pick and choose what angle to use in the final
compilation.
I was really hoping that I could simply import both video streams and synch
them to be the same on the timeline then just choose what mm:ss will be used
in the final compilation by clic and drag or setting in and out points.
Is this an option at all or what is the best way for me to get the angles
that I want from the two streams and then just synch the audio?
Manny thanks for the help!
Yahoo!

 

[John Kelly]

Hi there,

Movie Maker 2 has only one Video time line. You can with loads of patience
do what you want. It will mean a lot of trial and error, moving clips
forwards and backwards on the time line. I suppose you would have to use
the audio track to get it to synchronize and that alone because of
different amplitudes etc could be very difficult.

As it seems OK to talk about other software...what you really need is the
new Version 6 of MovieDV from www.aist.de or www.aist.com. You can have
loads of video tracks and audio tracks and you can have TRUE picture in
picture and 3D movement of several images laid on top of one another,
removal of background and replace with your own (That one is hard...still
experimenting with that) You can create your own custom transitions etc.
etc. Its a totally brilliant program. Check out the video section on my
site and have a look at the FUN or FUN + video...if you are not on
broadband they will be slow to load...but it will illustrate exactly what I
mean. AIST offer it in £'s $'s or Euro's Because of the relative £ to $
etc, its much cheaper to pay for it in $. and I think the price is US $59 I
have had one complaint about the program...for some reason they have sent
it out with the version 4.5 Help system...I am promised the correct help
system as soon as its available.

What you should know about it.....At first the interface was very hard to
come to grips with....the original programmers were keen on these awful
SKIN interfaces.....there are only two skins at the moment, the one it
comes with and a pre production one. I have both and its much better than
the one the program comes with. It seems the original company was bought
out by AIST. The main advantage of that is you get the CINEGY Mpeg engine,
which I am told is a TV industry standard...I checked that as best I can
and it seems to be true. The result is when compiling to MPEG, it is both
fast and high quality.

Things that you take for granted in Movie Maker have to be set in MovieDV,
fades and things like that. The effects and transitions are all fully
programmable including playing video backwards or at speeds other than
normal, and once you "click" as it were they will blow your socks off. In
fact its safer to say that very little is cast in stone with this program.
It has had at least one bad revue, which I discovered after I had purchased
it. But now I understand the program more I can see that the Revue was way
off beam and quite inaccurate...I stuck with it though and am now very
pleased I did. Value for money compared to other much more expensive
packages is very high indeed. Having seen programs that cost as much as 20
times this....I would be very angry if I had bought one of them instead and
THEN discovered this program.

Have Fun !!

 

[print_maker]

I would consider a multi-video-track editor first.

If I had to do it in Movie Maker, this is what I would do.

I would capture both tapes with clip detection turned off.
I would put the video file with the best audio source in the audio track.

I would put the other video file in the video track.
I would zoom in all the way and compare the audio tracks so the waveforms
matched up - will take some trial and error.

Then mute the audio on the video track.

Now you are only working with visuals and your audio will stay
uninterrupted.

When you want to make a cut in the video, split the video then split the
audio in the same place too.
Then copy the clip in the audio track and paste it into the video track and
delete that section.

You'll probably want to preview both videos and make notes about where you
want your cuts.

Most people using MM are probably one-camcorder home movie people, so you
are stretching things a bit beyond what it's main audience is.

I do "cutaways" like this with still photos and video using movie maker, but
not tons of them.

The kicker is...you won't be able to do fades, just cuts, unless you add
some filler to the video track like repeating a clip or something - this is
why doing cutaways with photos works well but video not as well.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.