Transporting whole applications to another HDD with XP

[Guest]

I am running an IBM server: I Ghz cpu, 1.15 Gb RAM, ATI Radeon X700 (256 Mb)
videocard, 2 x 17 Gb and 1 x 34 Gb installed HDDs. OS: Windows XP Pro SP2

I use the three HDDs to keep my work and personal stuff completely separate.
However, my OEM HDD, on which XP Pro resides, is one of the 17 Gb drives and
is now very close to being full up. I can't defrag, for instance as this
needs at least 15% of free space.

I would like to move several of the Office and other applications onto
another of the installed HDDs to give me more headroon on the originial
drive. I don't want to reinstall them from scratch.

Can I do this under XP? I am sure that it is not just a case of copying the
app across, but I don't know how to go about this and still access the apps
just as if they were sitting on the original drive alongside the OS.

Could anyone advise me please? I would appreciate some guidence.

Thank you, in advance

 

[Haggis]

I am running an IBM server: I Ghz cpu, 1.15 Gb RAM, ATI Radeon X700 (256
Mb)
videocard, 2 x 17 Gb and 1 x 34 Gb installed HDDs. OS: Windows XP Pro SP2

I use the three HDDs to keep my work and personal stuff completely
separate.
However, my OEM HDD, on which XP Pro resides, is one of the 17 Gb drives
and
is now very close to being full up. I can't defrag, for instance as this
needs at least 15% of free space.

I would like to move several of the Office and other applications onto
another of the installed HDDs to give me more headroon on the originial
drive. I don't want to reinstall them from scratch.

Can I do this under XP? I am sure that it is not just a case of copying
the
app across, but I don't know how to go about this and still access the
apps
just as if they were sitting on the original drive alongside the OS.

Could anyone advise me please? I would appreciate some guidence.

Thank you, in advance

you would have to uninstall the software a reinstall to a new location (the
other drive)

I suggest you pick up a new 40-80-160 ..... HD and clone the 17gb to it

 

[Kerry Brown]

I am running an IBM server: I Ghz cpu, 1.15 Gb RAM, ATI Radeon X700
(256 Mb) videocard, 2 x 17 Gb and 1 x 34 Gb installed HDDs. OS:
Windows XP Pro SP2

I use the three HDDs to keep my work and personal stuff completely
separate. However, my OEM HDD, on which XP Pro resides, is one of the
17 Gb drives and is now very close to being full up. I can't defrag,
for instance as this needs at least 15% of free space.

I would like to move several of the Office and other applications onto
another of the installed HDDs to give me more headroon on the
originial drive. I don't want to reinstall them from scratch.

Can I do this under XP? I am sure that it is not just a case of
copying the app across, but I don't know how to go about this and
still access the apps just as if they were sitting on the original
drive alongside the OS.

Could anyone advise me please? I would appreciate some guidence.

Thank you, in advance

Are the hard drives SCSI? From the capacities you list it sounds like they
may be SCSI. Haggis was right, the best solution would be to clone the 17 GB
drive to a bigger drive. If SCSI is involved it can be tricky to do but most
drive imaging programs will be able to do it. The tricky part is setting the
SCSI ID, parity, termination and such when installing the drive. The drive
has to be installed twice. Once as a non-boot drive to make the clone then
as the boot drive once the cloning process is finished.

 

[Guest]

Umm...while it's conceivable that it is possible with a great deal of work
(repointing hundreds of items in the registry manually at the very least)
practically speaking your only real option is to uninstall/reinstall.

 

[kenny]

there used to be some programs that could do application moving
one was Norton Uninstall

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/2221/norton-uninstall-deluxe.html

and the other one was

Norton Cleansweep

As far as I know these are not compatible with XP... but perhaps
you can find some other that is.

I aggree with the solutions the others gave

 

[Guest]

there used to be some programs that could do application moving
one was Norton Uninstall

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/2221/norton-uninstall-deluxe.html

and the other one was

Norton Cleansweep

As far as I know these are not compatible with XP... but perhaps
you can find some other that is.

I aggree with the solutions the others gave

--
www.computerboom.com



Thank you all for quick and to the point replies.

Yes, they are SCSI drives and I guessed that I would have to do something
else to the new drive after I put it in the primary position after cloning
it. But how do I get the server to treat this one as the primary drive before
I have changed it to that - chicken and egg, isn't it?

I have a copy of Norton Ghost which, I guess should do the trick.

Last question, if I may?

If I partition the new drive and keep the OS on one side and all new apps on
the other a) is that a good idea and b) presuamably I can reinstall the OS at
will without upsetting the apps themselves or the paths thereto??

Many thanks again

 

[Kerry Brown]

Yes, they are SCSI drives and I guessed that I would have to do
something else to the new drive after I put it in the primary
position after cloning it. But how do I get the server to treat this
one as the primary drive before I have changed it to that - chicken
and egg, isn't it?

I have a copy of Norton Ghost which, I guess should do the trick.

Last question, if I may?

If I partition the new drive and keep the OS on one side and all new
apps on the other a) is that a good idea and b) presuamably I can
reinstall the OS at will without upsetting the apps themselves or the
paths thereto??

Many thanks again

Set the SCSI ID of the new drive to an unused ID, not 1, 2 or 7. Clone the
system drive to it. Remove both drives. Set the SCSI ID of the new drive to
the same as the old system drive. Install the new drive. Boot from it. You
can now change the SCSI ID of the old system drive and reinstall it if you
want. There may be other issues with termination, parity etc. but in a
nutshell that's the procedure. It will work with most SCSI controllers. If
you run into problems post back with the problem.

 

[kenny]

Answers:
a) No I would not do that. However keeping windows and programs on one drive
and all data on another is smart.. I have written a small tutorial about
this on my site , in the first page where it says:

http://www.computerboom.com/
*NEW* Tutorial: Managing and organizing your computer hard drive space and
files


b)If you format and reinstall you will have to reinstall the applications
also.

Another tip: You can move the page file to another drive and disabling
hibernation if you do not use it. That will free up some space on your C
drive.

 

[Guest]

Set the SCSI ID of the new drive to an unused ID, not 1, 2 or 7. Clone the
system drive to it. Remove both drives. Set the SCSI ID of the new drive to
the same as the old system drive. Install the new drive. Boot from it. You
can now change the SCSI ID of the old system drive and reinstall it if you
want. There may be other issues with termination, parity etc. but in a
nutshell that's the procedure. It will work with most SCSI controllers. If
you run into problems post back with the problem.

--
Kerry


Great! Thanks, Kerry. That all seems to make sense. Regards.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I would like to move several of the Office and other applications onto
another of the installed HDDs to give me more headroon on the
originial drive. I don't want to reinstall them from scratch.

Can I do this under XP? I am sure that it is not just a case of
copying the app across, but I don't know how to go about this and
still access the apps just as if they were sitting on the original
drive alongside the OS.

In general, no, you can not move programs from one place to another. The
problem is that almost all programs are not simply a single file or even a
bunch of files. Besides the files that constitute them, they also have, and
need, many entries referring to them and where they are located--in the
registry and elsewhere.

So if you try to move a program, those pointers will all be wrong and the
program won't work. There is software that purports to find and change those
pointers (for example, the freeware COA2.exe) but in my experience these
don't always work perfectly. It's much better and safer to uninstall from
its existing location, and reinstall in the new one.

 

[Rock]

FalcoPilot wrote:

If I partition the new drive and keep the OS on one side and all new apps on
the other a) is that a good idea and b) presuamably I can reinstall the OS at
will without upsetting the apps themselves or the paths thereto??

Many thanks again

I would recommend keeping the OS and installed programs in one partition
and the data in a separate one. No real advantage to putting programs
on a different partition. Reinstalling the OS clean, even though the
programs are on another partition, will require the programs be
reinstalled anyway.

 

[Guest]

In general, no, you can not move programs from one place to another. The
problem is that almost all programs are not simply a single file or even a
bunch of files. Besides the files that constitute them, they also have, and
need, many entries referring to them and where they are located--in the
registry and elsewhere.

So if you try to move a program, those pointers will all be wrong and the
program won't work. There is software that purports to find and change those
pointers (for example, the freeware COA2.exe) but in my experience these
don't always work perfectly. It's much better and safer to uninstall from
its existing location, and reinstall in the new one.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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Ken,

many thanks. That's a pretty definitive answer. It has cleared up a
misconception that I and probably many Windows users have had up to now. At
the risk of needlessly prolonging this thread and in the hope that this will
prove helpful to others as well, may I ask one more question?, the OS gets a
little querky and need a reinstall itself, it is sensible to partitian a
drive, clean install XP and keep all you apps, Office etc, on the other side
the partition so that you can later reinstall the OS , if you have to? Norton
Partition Magic, for instance, seems to suggest that you can, but from what
you say, I not sure that I understand how the orphoned apps would link up
successfully with the new XP insytallation.

Many thanks, in advance

 

[Rock]

FalcoPilot wrote:

many thanks. That's a pretty definitive answer. It has cleared up a
misconception that I and probably many Windows users have had up to now. At
the risk of needlessly prolonging this thread and in the hope that this will
prove helpful to others as well, may I ask one more question?, the OS gets a
little querky and need a reinstall itself, it is sensible to partitian a
drive, clean install XP and keep all you apps, Office etc, on the other side
the partition so that you can later reinstall the OS , if you have to? Norton
Partition Magic, for instance, seems to suggest that you can, but from what
you say, I not sure that I understand how the orphoned apps would link up
successfully with the new XP insytallation.

As to your last statement - they can't.

Better to keep Apps and the OS in one partition and data files in a
separate one. No point to separating the Apps. If the OS needs to be
reinstalled so will the apps.

 

[Guest]

FalcoPilot wrote:



As to your last statement - they can't.

Better to keep Apps and the OS in one partition and data files in a
separate one. No point to separating the Apps. If the OS needs to be
reinstalled so will the apps.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Many thanks, rock. I'm done now. Regards

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

many thanks. That's a pretty definitive answer. It has cleared up a
misconception that I and probably many Windows users have had up to
now

You're welcome. Glad to help.

At the risk of needlessly prolonging this thread and in the hope
that this will prove helpful to others as well, may I ask one more
question?, the OS gets a little querky and need a reinstall itself,
it is sensible to partitian a drive, clean install XP and keep all
you apps, Office etc, on the other side the partition so that you can
later reinstall the OS , if you have to?

No, it's not at all sensible, despuite the number of people who do it, not
realizing that it doesn't work. It won't work for the reason I explained
above.

Norton Partition Magic, for
instance, seems to suggest that you can, but from what you say, I not
sure that I understand how the orphoned apps would link up
successfully with the new XP insytallation.

They can't. You understand the problem exactly.