Transfer License to Another Computer

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ppiazzese

The hard drive on my computer died a while back so a friend gave me a
computer he no longer used. It has become very unstable and the hard drive
is so full of junk that I just want to Fdisk it and start over. The problem
is that he did not give me the Windows XP Pro disk and now I can not get
ahold of him. Can I use the Windows XP Pro disk from my dead computer to
reload the operating system on my new (used) computer? And if so any advise
before I start other than the obvious as far as backing up things I want to
keep and the driver files.

Thanks for you help.
ppiazzese
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

If WinXP came preinstalled on the dead computer when you bought it, no.
 
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TERRY

Hi P.I don,t know what you mean by unstable.But if you mean the programs that
he had in there are causing the problem.You can click run,msconfig,ok.this
will bring up a window with tabs at the top.Goto services and click.This will
show you all the services that are running on the pc.Uncheck the ones you
recognize as a problem.Goto startup tab.Click.these are all the programs that
run at startup.You can stop any of the programs by disabling
them.Occasionally i disable all startup programs to speed up my pc.If there
are alot of programs at startup it takes a long time for the pc to go through
them.This does not kill your pc.whenever i suggest this to people the mvps on
this site come on and suggest you goto regedit.Which is more dangerous than
shutting off start programs.If you remove the wrong thing in regedit you will
have a problem.If you decide to try this you will have to start security
manually once the pc restarts.If you shut off service programs and some or
all startup programs.It will prompt you to restart.Click yes.When the system
comes back on a dialog box will appear.Check do not show,close.Once you start
your security manually you can start to set up your pc.The programs that you
shut off will prompt you if they have to run.I,ve shut off my startup
programs several hundred times in the past.I,ve never had a problem with
somthing not working after the shut down.I don,t know why the mvps are
worried about shut down startup.I,ve watched as they tell people to goto
regedit which can be very dangerous.Anyhoo.Hope this helpsTERRY.
 
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ppiazzese

The dead computer was built by a local computer place and they did the
install. The new(er) computer is also a local built computer. probably with
the same sort of intall. Will this make a difference?
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

If the "local computer place" used a volume-licensed version of WinXP, it's
permanently tied to that machine.
 
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ppiazzese

No - It does not help. But thank you anyway. Without going into all the
details I really think it is time to clean an accumulation of deeply
intigrated problems from my computer. I have performed all the utilities and
deleted a ton of things from my computer. I finally did do some registry
edits and I beleive by doing this I have destablized my system. I would try
doing a restore at this point but I fear that my compture might not rebood
afterwards if it does not respond to a restore as I had a really hard time
getting it booted the last time I shut it off. I just wanted to know if I
can use my copy of XP from my old computer to retore this computer if
necessary - because I think it will be necessary. Thanks again!!
 
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ppiazzese

OK. So how do I go about fixing this problem? Di I have to buy a new
licenses?
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

What DL said.

You may be looking at purchasing a Full Retail version somewhere. /Caveat
emptor/!
 
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Patrick Keenan

ppiazzese said:
The hard drive on my computer died a while back so a friend gave me a
computer he no longer used. It has become very unstable and the hard
drive
is so full of junk that I just want to Fdisk it and start over. The
problem
is that he did not give me the Windows XP Pro disk and now I can not get
ahold of him. Can I use the Windows XP Pro disk from my dead computer to
reload the operating system on my new (used) computer? And if so any
advise
before I start other than the obvious as far as backing up things I want
to
keep and the driver files.

Thanks for you help.
ppiazzese

You can use your XP Pro CD *if* the existing install used XP Pro in exactly
the same version - Retail, upgrade, OEM, VL, etc. - as the currently
installed one, and matches your existing XP install key. You will need to
know the existing key, and if it isn't on a sticker on the case, you need to
read it from the registry with one of the tools available. It's not a bad
idea to do this even if you have the sticker.

You'll find out quickly enough, as Setup asks for the install key pretty
early and will reject the key if it doesn't match the install CD type.

Otherwise, you would need another OS license, yes.

You will also need to locate the drivers for the motherboard. For that,
you need to know what the board is (if it isn't a major-brand model), so
either run Belarc Advisor (save the report to disk so you can read it later
on another system) or open the case and read the make and model number off
the board itself. Then go to the manufacturer's site, download the drivers
including the chipset drivers and burn them all to CD. You will need to
install these right after the basic XP install. This will be necessary
even if you buy a new license.

HTH
-pk
 
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ppiazzese

I just spoke with someone at Microsoft and explained my situation and they
told me I COULD do this. So I am going to give it a try. Thanks again for
your help.
 
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VanguardLH

ppiazzese said:
The dead computer was built by a local computer place and they did
the install. The new(er) computer is also a local built computer.
probably with the same sort of intall. Will this make a difference?

What was assumed was that an OEM version was probably installed on your
original computer. OEM version stick with the first host on which they
are installed. If the host is destroyed, ran over, burned, stolen,
missing, or otherwise unusable to you, the OEM license is also just as
unusable to you. There is no transfer allowed from the original host
on which the OEM license was installed no matter what happened to the
original host.

However, the license does not bar you from replacing defective
components or upgrading them. You could, in fact, upgrade the
motherboard and still be compliant with the OEM license. Since the
license doesn't bar upgrades, you could upgrade the case, motherboard,
hard drives, memory, video card, PSU, and all other hardware and also
do so all at once to effectively build yourself a new computer.
However, that also means that you have no prior computer after
upgrading it. When you are done with the upgrade, you still only have
the one computer (but a bunch of old parts sitting in storage).

Because Microsoft cannot condemn their users to a static set of
hardware at the time of the Windows install, any version, they
effective render their license worthless because upgrades are permitted
- and upgrades can be so extensive as to result in building a new
computer (even if the build of the new computer is from old parts
salvaged from elsewhere). So upgrade your old computer buy building a
new computer (which can be the other computer), install the OEM
license, revalidate it due to the major hardware "upgrades", and store
the old parts (altogether as a computer but on which you do NOT have
that license of Windows installed). There is nothing in the EULA that
restricts the number of component changes in the "computer".

OEM licenses are not allowed to be transferred between computers. Once
installed, the OEM license sticks to that computer. However, nothing
bars the user from "upgrading" or "repairing" their computer. Can you
change the case for your old host on which the OEM license was
installed? Sure. Can you change the PSU in the old computer? Sure.
Can you change the PSU? Sure. Can you add or replace the memory
modules? Sure. Can you replace the motherboard? Sure. Can you
replace the CPU? Sure. Can you change or replace <name-a-component>
in your old computer? Sure. Is there a limitation on how many
hardware changes or replacements can be performed at once? No. Since
you can change or repair every component in computer, you can
effectively build a totally different host than it was before. You
will be left with an altered and new host with the OEM license on it
and old parts (whether separate or all stored inside a case and mantled
together) on which that license doesn't exist. However, if your
computer is stolen, you have nothing against which to "upgrade" or
"repair".

Read the EULA, and do *not* read more into it than what it says. There
is what might've been intendeded but it is not your responsibility to
decipher that intent other than what is explicitly stated. The EULA
for my OEM license says, "You may also need to reactivate the SOFTWARE
if you modify your HARDWARE". Well, they've already allowed the
condition of continuing to use the OEM license if I modify the
hardware. The extent of that modification is not specifically limited.
If you used all the components from the 2nd computer to upgrade your
1st computer, what do you end up with? The 2nd computer with a bunch
of old parts from your 1st computer. There is no stipulation that the
old parts that got replaced must be stored separately rather than
remain together inside the case. If you have to make a phone call to
do the validation and are asked what major change was performed, well,
you did "replace" the hard drive which required a fresh install of the
OS. Does the EULA say what you are restricted to do with the old parts
that got upgraded or replaced? No, so go install Linux on it or keep
it around for repair parts or stick in storage until you buy another
copy of Windows.

Because the number of repairs or upgrades are not restricted against
"COMPUTER" then what is "COMPUTER" can change in its hardware
configuration. The OEM license looses its legal teeth because it isn't
enforced against a static hardware configuration. However, if the OEM
version is a brand-specific version (coded to install on a particular
brand and model of computer) then what you have for the install CD for
the 1st host might not work on the 2nd host (which is all those
"upgrades" you made to your 1st host). You'll get opinions from those
that like to play it safe and go further than what a license
stipulates. Then there are those that push the envelope to so stretch
the license that their interpretation doesn't look like anything of the
original license. There are those, obviously, that give a gnat's fart
about the license. And then there are those that actually read the
license and don't go imposing restrictions on themselves that aren't
actually explicitly stated in the license.

On my host with OEM Windows XP Pro installed, I've replaced the PSU
(old one was defective), replaced the case (with a thinner one with
front USB and audio ports), replaced the memory sticks with
larger-sized ones, replaced the CPU (with a faster speed one), added a
2nd hard drive, replaced the original hard drive (with a bigger one),
replaced the CD-R/DVD-R drive with a CD-RW/DVD-R drive, added a 2nd
CD-RW/DVD-RW drive, replaced the PCI modem card, replaced the video
card (with a faster one with more memory), removed a PCI IDE controller
card (since the new hard drives used SATA which was available on the
motherboard). The only component that I haven't replaced in the last 6
years has been the motherboard but the EULA doesn't restrict me from
replacing it. I replaced the CRT monitor when it went bad with an LCD.
The laser printer got sold and I went to a color inkjet. The mice and
keyboard have been replaced maybe a dozen times. I replaced the huge
and heavy HP ScanJet IIcx with a Canon scanner that slides into a desk
drawer, along with removing the old SCSI card since the new scanner
used USB. So does my old host look anything like it did 6 years ago?
No. But I am still using the same OEM license through all those repair
replacements or hardware upgrades. And I still have lots of old parts
left over from all the upgrades.

For an OEM license:
- Can you replace defective hardware components? Yes.
- Can you upgrade hardware components? Yes.
- The limit of concurrent repair replaces or hardware upgrades? None.
(But changing 2 or 3 major components results in revalidation.)
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

You'll know soon enough if it works or not.
I just spoke with someone at Microsoft and explained my situation and they
told me I COULD do this. So I am going to give it a try. Thanks again
for
your help.
 
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Guest

PA said:
If WinXP came preinstalled on the dead computer when you bought it, no.

Riddle me this. If the working computer has a VALID license, you should
be able to install the IDENTICAL version from ANY disk that WORKS with
your key.
Whether he gave you the CD is irrelevant IF the license is tied to the
hardware. You have/own the hardware and the license that's tied to it.

If anyone else uses that key, THEY are the ones in violation of the
license terms. That'll be small consolation when M$ refuses to activate
your OS...but that's another issue that might not arise if you indeed
have a VALID license.

Whether you get the ones and zeros to reinstall it
from the original disk, a borrowed disk, a stolen disk, downloaded them,
edited the setupp.ini file,
typed them in from the keyboard,
or pulled them out of your favorite orifice. That doesn't change the terms
of the VALID license that is tied to the working computer.

Problem is that M$ considers us ALL to be criminals and has gone to
great lengths to prevent your finding the
bits in the required version to match your VALID key.

This assumes that the working computer has a VALID license and all you
need is the means to reinstall it.

NEVER buy another license when you already have one. Figure out how to
use the one you have. And this would be the WRONG newsgroup for that
help. Do a LOT more research on which files to save before you start.
 
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Ken Blake

The hard drive on my computer died a while back so a friend gave me a
computer he no longer used. It has become very unstable and the hard
drive
is so full of junk that I just want to Fdisk it and start over.


Good, that's something you should have done as soon as you got it. If I
acquired a used computer, the first thing I would do with it would be to
reinstall the operating system cleanly. You have no idea how the computer
has been maintained, what has been installed incorrectly, what is missing,
what viruses and spyware there may be, etc. I wouldn't want to live with
somebody else's mistakes and problems, possibility of kiddy porn, etc., and
I wouldn't recommend that anyone else do either.

The problem is that he did not give me the Windows XP Pro disk and now I
can not get
ahold of him. Can I use the Windows XP Pro disk from my dead computer to
reload the operating system on my new (used) computer?


If it's a retail XP CDs yes. If it's an OEM CD, no. The biggest disdvanatge
of an OEM version is that its license ties it permanently to the first
computer it's installed on, and it can never be moved to another, not even
if the original dies.
 
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Daave

ppiazzese said:
The hard drive on my computer died a while back so a friend gave me a
computer he no longer used. It has become very unstable and the hard
drive
is so full of junk that I just want to Fdisk it and start over. The
problem
is that he did not give me the Windows XP Pro disk and now I can not
get
ahold of him. Can I use the Windows XP Pro disk from my dead computer
to
reload the operating system on my new (used) computer? And if so any
advise
before I start other than the obvious as far as backing up things I
want to
keep and the driver files.

You didn't provide enough information for a definitive answer. However,
even assuming that your license is a non-transferrable OEM license, you
might be interested to know that in some situations, what you are asking
can be done if the other PC also has a licensed OEM version of Windows
on it (it must be the same type as your license, for instance they most
be XP Pro). So, strictly speaking, although you cannot transfer the
license from one PC to the other, you still may be able to get the new
PC up and running legally.

So the question remains. Did this other PC come with Windows XP Pro
pre-installed? Assuming the "local computer place" loaded a valid OEM
version on it and gave your friend the product key *and* you have the
same type of installation disk/license - that is, generic (System
Builder) OEM XP Pro - then you may simply use your disk with his product
key. I would also strongly recommend performing a clean install since
you have no idea what the history of this machine is.
 
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Ken Blake

You didn't provide enough information for a definitive answer. However,
even assuming that your license is a non-transferrable OEM license, you
might be interested to know that in some situations, what you are asking
can be done if the other PC also has a licensed OEM version of Windows on
it (it must be the same type as your license, for instance they most be XP
Pro). So, strictly speaking, although you cannot transfer the license from
one PC to the other, you still may be able to get the new PC up and
running legally.


I think you should reread the OEM EULA. What you say is not correct. An OEM
version's license ties it permanently to the first computer it's installed
on, and it can never be moved to another.
 
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Daave

Ken Blake said:
I think you should reread the OEM EULA. What you say is not correct.
An OEM version's license ties it permanently to the first computer
it's installed on, and it can never be moved to another.

I never said the license can be moved. I simply stated that the new PC
already may have *its own* license. Had you not snipped the rest of my
post, I'm pretty sure you would have agreed with me. :)

OP, from what I read, never provided us with that information. But as
long as the new PC has the same type of license (e.g., System-builder
OEM license of XP Pro) as the old PC, OP can use his installation disk
along with the product key of the newer license. It's the license that
is important, not the installation media.

Then again, for all we know the new PC never had that type of license.
Perhaps it came with XP Home or some type of volume license. That's why
it's important for OP to clarify.
 
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Ken Blake

I never said the license can be moved. I simply stated that the new PC
already may have *its own* license. Had you not snipped the rest of my
post, I'm pretty sure you would have agreed with me. :)


OK, then my apologies for misunderstanding you.
 

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