toner puzzle

[dizthewiz]

My Samsung laser printer takes CLP-300 toner cartridges.

The cartridges supplied with the machine do not have a chip. Yet new
replacement cartridges do.

Why do new cartidges require a chip but the originals don't?

 

[dizthewiz]

dizthewiz,
The CLP-300 toner cartridges are also used in the following printers:
Samsung CLX-2160N Multifunction Laser Printer
Samsung CLX-3160FN Multifunction Laser Printer

These printers may require the chip to function, where your model does not.
In addition, Samsung may have changed their policy about "chipped"
cartridges after  your model was released or manufactured.

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My Samsung laser printer takes CLP-300 toner cartridges.

The cartridges supplied with the machine do not have a chip. Yet new
replacement cartridges do.

Why do new cartidges require a chip but the originals don't?

 

[dizthewiz]

Thanks for that.

The Samsung printer is indeed a CLX-2160

 

[DevilsPGD]

In message <[email protected]> "Rich/rerat"

These printers may require the chip to function, where your model does not.

This seems more likely.

In addition, Samsung may have changed their policy about "chipped"
cartridges after your model was released or manufactured.

A change in policy wouldn't change the behaviour of already released
printers though, so it's more likely that the cartridge is used by
multiple printers and some of those printers are more restrictive.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

My Samsung laser printer takes CLP-300 toner cartridges.

The cartridges supplied with the machine do not have a chip. Yet new
replacement cartridges do.

Why do new cartidges require a chip but the originals don't?

The Canon SX engine for example was one of the most popular early
laser printer engines. HP used it for their HP LJ II series, Apple
used it for their LW II series, just about everyone used it in one
form or another. I recall a little bit of plastic that seemed to
serve no purpose. To this date I don't know for a fact it had a
purpose, but I imagine it could be so Apple could sell Apple toner
with a peg in the bump, HP could sell HP toner with their peg in the
bump. IIRC there were two bumps with 4 possible combinations.

I would presume your Samsung doesn't need a chip, but other models
do.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

There are a few possibilities, which I cannot from your posting quite
ascertain:

1) The cartridge is used for numerous machines, including newer ones
which have a chip sensor in them, and your machine may not, and may
ignore it.

2) The chip tells the printer it is a full cartridge and it is therefore
handled differently, such as better monitoring, more accurate toner
levels, the chip may tell it to set the number of copies per cartridge
higher.

3) Your older cartridge may have a smaller chip in another location,
perhaps hidden.

4) The chip is used to store and report back some information about
usage to the manufacturer via your internet connection, or for
businesses that wish to have advance ordering or replacement cartridges.

5) Something I can't think of or am unaware of.

Art

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[Arthur Entlich]

I guess the question that comes up is how does the printer know to
expect the chip in the newer cartridge... One could remove and replace
the first cartridge numerous times during it's life... what if one time
it was refilled? Does the printer come programmed in firmware to only
allow the initial cartridge to work for a certain number of prints and
then only a chipped cartridge can be used after that???

I'd like to understand the mechanism in the scenario you've presented.
These printer companies never cease to amaze me with their methods.

Art


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[Arthur Entlich]

Hi Tony,

I realize we are in conjecture mode here, but let's continue a bit
further with this.

The advantage for the company I could see to doing what you state is
that they save the cost of the chip on the initial cartridges, which
they aren't directly selling (its a starter cartridge included on
purchase), also it will have a different "end of life" point that the
full ones sold for replacement, and it could make that cartridge
unusable upon refill, since it lacks the chip. So that could save the
cost of the chip in this cheapo first cartridge which is only good for
1/2 or 1/3rd of the standard cartridge life.

But, lets look at a reason why they might have a cartridge with a chip
in a printer that doesn't require it.


What if the original earlier model was unchipped. Then a later model
was introduced which required a chip, but both models could use the same
cartridge type. When used in the unchipped earlier model, the chip
would be ignored completely, not written to, not read. In the newer
model, the chip could be read and written to.


Two scenarios.

Art

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[dizthewiz]

Original poster here.

I had no idea my simple (or so I thought) question would excercise so
much brain power. I thank those who have replied.

I suppose the definitive answer has to come from sticking a non-chip
one in and see what happens. I may well do this but it will take some
time for this to happen as (a) I've only just put a new one (with
chip) in and (b) I don't want to risk incapacitating the machine if I
do.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Oh, but isn't it worth potentially sacrificing your printer for the
pursuit of pure science? ;-)

Art


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[Yianni]

I guess the question that comes up is how does the printer know to expect

the chip in the newer cartridge... One could remove and replace etc, etc

I think you understood the mechanism right. You answered all questions
well...

The advantage for the company I could see to doing what you state is that
they save the cost of the chip on the initial cartridges, which they
aren't directly selling (its a starter cartridge included on purchase),
also it will have a different "end of life" point that the full ones sold
for replacement, and it could make that cartridge unusable upon refill,
since it lacks the chip. So that could save the cost of the chip in this
cheapo first cartridge which is only good for 1/2 or 1/3rd of the standard
cartridge life.

There are some facts. Most of the times this makes the starter cartridges
not refillable.
On the other hand, somone cannot use them in another printer, neither could
sell them. So, starter cartridges -almost 100%- are restricted for the
specific printer.