This news has made AMD'ers happy

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Yousuf Khan

Tony Hill said:
If that is indeed accurate, that would be VERY good news for AMD!
However I'd be extremely skeptical of that number, that would be more
than double the amount of chips that AMD was selling just a couple of
months earlier. If AMD managed even 20% of the total CPU market for
the week they were doing well, but I'd be surprised if the managed
anything more.

Well, let's remember one thing, these are all figures for a single _week_ of
production, not an entire month, let alone an entire quarter, let alone an
entire year. I think AMD can handle an extra large order for a single week
at the very least. Besides, the article never really suggested whether AMD
took that extra large share of the week due to much greater demand for its
products or simply because the overall market just shrank, during that week.
I suspect that it's mostly that it was a slow week, and AMD didn't slow down
as much as Intel did.

Yousuf Khan
 
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George Macdonald

Well... Graphics cards look like a big bugaboo. Unless anyone
can convince me otherwise, I think I'm going safe: Matrox G550.
I'm really a 2D kinda guy anyway (and dual monitors are a must).

Yeah I *think* Matrox still has the best 2D, though it's been a long while
since I bought one - G200... probably still better than even current nVidia
and ATI for 2D.
BTW, my board of choice is the Tyan 2875S and a Opteron 144. I'd
like to go more, but the CFO has already expanded the budget a
few times. Going back for even more may get expensive. ;-).


Ok... How about the SX1040BII:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-
120&depa=0 (sorry for the split)

In the office, I have a SX840 for a user system and SX1240 (6x5.25 external
bays) for our server. Those are both older models and beige of course but
I like them - the swing-out side panels are nice and cable routing is neat:
I tie-wire the mbrd and rear fan wiring into the flanged bar across the
upper half of the case and it makes for a clean interior.

I dunno if the black SX models have as good a finish as the beige, which
still has baked enamel, but I'd hope so. The 660AMGs we have are nice but
that grey metallic finish is just regular paint and scratches more easily.
With two standard rear exhaust fans you shouldn't need any extra fans - not
sure if those case fans have individual thermistor control or not. The
SmartPower P/S fan is temp controlled so it should not be noisy unless
maybe you're "pounding" on it.

On the SX models we have, you don't have to have those feet sticking out -
if the standing surface is stable, you can swivel the feet in under the
case.
The Sonata didn't look all that interesting, though I'm willing
to be convinced otherwise.

I haven't tried it myself but others have made favorable comments.
I'm also 99.44% sure I'm going with SuSE (they've even gotten
smart and are packaging the 64b version along with the 32b
package).

Sounds like you're gonna have a lot of fun.:)

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
 
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Rob Stow

Serioulsy, I've got the guts picked out, simply thinking about a
case and a graphics card. Suggestions? Note that the case must
support SuSE and dual monitors. ;-)

You mean someone not only makes cases that are OS-dependent
but they also support dual monitor ;-)
 
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

KR Williams said:
Ok... How about the SX1040BII:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-
120&depa=0 (sorry for the split)


The Sonata didn't look all that interesting, though I'm willing
to be convinced otherwise.

I have both a 1040 and a Sonata sitting beside each other. The Sonata
is *much* quieter. The rubber-grommet disk mounts are also a nice
touch for disks that have noisy arms. (The quiet disks with a ramped
voltage to the disk arm are getting hard to find. It appears that
some company managed to patent the idea of not whacking the arm
solenoid with a square wave.)

(Asus k8v-se-d, 2Ghz Athlon64 3200, Matrox g550, Seagate Barracuda
80g, Sonata case, Openbsd)

-wolfgang
 
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Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

chrisv said:
That's what I've bought for my last couple office PC's. Just bought
one a month ago for my latest. They are kind of annoyingly expensive
for an "old tech" card, though...

I'd have loved to have gotten a P650, but Matrox hasn't released the
programming info for the card. The card worthless for open source
OS's. For a company on the skids, you'd think Matrox would be doing a
bit more to develop new markets.

-wolfgang
 
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KR Williams

Any suggestions on what we should put in our next desktop box for our
top developers? Our current box has dual 2.4Ghz Xeons on a Tyan i7505
Thunder (S2665), 4 512Mb ECC DIMMs, a 3Ware 7500-4LP with 4 120Gb Maxtor
drives. The graphics card is a Matrox Parhelia with two 18" LCD monitors
(Currently NEC LCD1850X).

Without knowing your build process, this would be an impossible
task. If they build on their own systems (ick) you may want to
give them some peachy-keen latest stuff. If you're doing
software for the general public, you'll likely want a variety of
hardware to test/develop on. If you're doing large development,
you really ought to have a background build system that doesn't'
rely on the developer's desktop much at all.

In any case, give them at *least* two 20" monitors in a dual-
screen setup. If you can afford laptops, do the same. Dual
screen is a huge benefit to anyone doing development. Flat-
displays are an incremental bonus.
Our plan is tentatively a dual Opteron box with 4 SATA RAID drives,
probably using a 3Ware controller as well. We're hoping for 4Gb of RAM as
dual 128-bit memory busses. I've looked at many motherboards and they all
have large numbers of insane drawbacks. (Who thought it was a good idea to
connect the onboard gigabit LAN to the legacy 32-bit/33Mhz PCI bus?)

I'm assuming all of your developers work independently. If so,
fine. If they're collaborating, you'd better get a little
stronger. CVS and background builds are in your future.
Building software (or hardware in my case) just isn't reasonable
peace-meal.
I'd love suggestions on the graphics card

So far the Matrox G550 is winning my popularity contest. It has
the reputation (as all Matro cards) of being a business graphics
card, and isn't really suitable for 3D. As is designed, so be
it.
and motherboard especially.

That obviously depends on the processor you choose.
Also SATA RAID recommendations would be appreciated.

Why? What are you going to do for backup? Me thinks you have
the horsed after the cart.
Anybody have a gut
reaction of whether a developer would prefer dual xeons or dual opterons,
assuming they're not religious.

This "developer" certainly does. Though I don't do that icky
"software" stuff. ;-). Indeed if I truly had my choice, well
nevermind , the CFO would never approve.
 
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KR Williams

Bjorn- said:
Continue using Matrox cards, their 2D image quality is excellent. For
motherboards, I've got good experience with Tyan Thunder K8W. If it's
too expensive, a Tiger K8W would be cheaper (and mostly as good).

Umm, come again? Did you mean K8W and K8WS? Please tell me the
difference (other than the obvious). I might just pull the
trigger tomorrow, certainly by Monday.
 
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KR Williams

That's what I've bought for my last couple office PC's. Just bought
one a month ago for my latest. They are kind of annoyingly expensive
for an "old tech" card, though...

Boxed at $109 (newegg) is "expensive"? Perhaps, but...
 
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Rob Stow

KR said:
Umm, come again? Did you mean K8W and K8WS? Please tell me the
difference (other than the obvious). I might just pull the
trigger tomorrow, certainly by Monday.

Thunder K8W is the S2885.
Tiger K8W is the S2875.

The biggest differences are
- S2885 has eight DIMM slots - 4 per cpu - while the
S2875 has four DIMM slots, all on CPU0.
- S2885 has 4 PCI-X slots, S2875 has none.
- S2885 has dual Gb Ethernet, S2875 has one.
 
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KR Williams

Sounds like you're gonna have a lot of fun.:)

Yeah, I ordered all the bits yesterday. I have a week off at the
end of the month. I figured I'd have some fun then, inbetween
painting (Ugh!).
 
K

KR Williams

Thunder K8W is the S2885.
Tiger K8W is the S2875.

Ah, yes. My eyes generally skip right over the "cutesy" names,
particularly Tyan's since they recycle the names so often. Naming
two entirely different boards the "K8W was stupid, as well. (I
know the cutesy names are supposed to reflect/differentiate the
desktop/workstation/server "markets".)
The biggest differences are
- S2885 has eight DIMM slots - 4 per cpu - while the
S2875 has four DIMM slots, all on CPU0.
- S2885 has 4 PCI-X slots, S2875 has none.
- S2885 has dual Gb Ethernet, S2875 has one.

Yes, now that I see the Tiger/Thunder in there I realize the
difference. The 2885 was *way* out of the range the CFO put on
this transaction. I ended up going with the 2875S (single
processor 2875).
 
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KR Williams

(e-mail address removed)
says...
I have both a 1040 and a Sonata sitting beside each other. The Sonata
is *much* quieter.

I wish I'd read this yesterday. ;-)
The rubber-grommet disk mounts are also a nice
touch for disks that have noisy arms. (The quiet disks with a ramped
voltage to the disk arm are getting hard to find. It appears that
some company managed to patent the idea of not whacking the arm
solenoid with a square wave.)

I didn't think any drives rapped the voice-coil with a square
wave. I thought the waveforms were quite complex (initial whack,
sustain, tail), with the energy driven in each phase depending on
the distance of the move. At least that's sorta the results I
got from looking at the performance characteristics of various
drives five or six years ago (time flies).
(Asus k8v-se-d, 2Ghz Athlon64 3200, Matrox g550, Seagate Barracuda
80g, Sonata case, Openbsd)

Final toy = Tyan 2875, Opteron 144 (1.8GHz), Matrox G550, Antec
1040, SuSE, and a disk drive to be named later (in the mean time
an IBM DeskStar, likely the old 37GB, promoted from this system).
 
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Rob Stow

KR said:
Final toy = Tyan 2875, Opteron 144 (1.8GHz), Matrox G550, Antec
1040, SuSE, and a disk drive to be named later (in the mean time
an IBM DeskStar, likely the old 37GB, promoted from this system).

Dang! If I'd known you needed a G550 I could have sent you
one a couple of weeks ago for $13 (Canadian) - price of a
couple of 30 oz "schooners" at my favourite pub - which is
what I got for it last week.

Not that I'm terribly impressed by my "upgrade" to a P650.
No noticeable change for the kinds of things I do except on
those rare occasions when I go above 1280 x 1024. The P650
*is* much better at 1600 x 1200. But what the heck, the
price was right: free from someone who wanted to switch to
a better gaming card.
 
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KR Williams

Dang! If I'd known you needed a G550 I could have sent you
one a couple of weeks ago for $13 (Canadian) - price of a
couple of 30 oz "schooners" at my favourite pub - which is
what I got for it last week.

Oh, well. ...woulda bought the night! ;-)
Not that I'm terribly impressed by my "upgrade" to a P650.
No noticeable change for the kinds of things I do except on
those rare occasions when I go above 1280 x 1024. The P650
*is* much better at 1600 x 1200. But what the heck, the
price was right: free from someone who wanted to switch to
a better gaming card.

Gee, and to think I run 1600x1200 on an ancient Matrox Mystique
on my laptop at work. :-| Come to think of it, I think (Start->
Settings->Control Panel->Display->Settings, yup!) this system has
a Mystique in it too (at 1280x1024). Perhaps I'll notice the
difference with the G550? ;-)

Oh, and I forgot the display on the new toy: ViewSonic P95f-b,
which I got an *excellent* deal on. My IBM G94 will move over to
secondary, once I get everything running (and teach the CFO how
to navigate Linux). I'll likely put a KVM on it so I can keep
this system for the WinCrap (like the digital camera).
 
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Rob Stow

KR said:
Oh, well. ...woulda bought the night! ;-)




Gee, and to think I run 1600x1200 on an ancient Matrox Mystique
on my laptop at work. :-| Come to think of it, I think (Start->
Settings->Control Panel->Display->Settings, yup!) this system has
a Mystique in it too (at 1280x1024). Perhaps I'll notice the
difference with the G550? ;-)

With my G550, as soon as I went to 1600 x 1200 the text quality
dropped sharply. Fuzzy fonts, lines not as crisp, etc - the kind
of crap you expect from non-Matrox cards. Note that I use
dual ViewSonic 19" CRTs - perhaps the G550 would have done OK at
1600 x 1200 if it was only trying to drive one of them ?

I think I skipped over the Mystiques - I went straight from
Millenium I and II to G400, G550, and now P650. IIRC, the
Mystique was a low-end G200 series card ?
Oh, and I forgot the display on the new toy: ViewSonic P95f-b,
which I got an *excellent* deal on. My IBM G94 will move over to
secondary, once I get everything running (and teach the CFO how
to navigate Linux). I'll likely put a KVM on it so I can keep
this system for the WinCrap (like the digital camera).

If you can squeeze the money out of the bean counters, give
VMWare a shot. No more pissing around with KVMs and the
associated rubberized spaghetti. Multiple OSes all running
at the same time is *really* nice with VMWare - particularly
on a dualie with lots of RAM. Do go to the VMWare site
first and take a look at the supported hardware.
 
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KR Williams

With my G550, as soon as I went to 1600 x 1200 the text quality
dropped sharply. Fuzzy fonts, lines not as crisp, etc - the kind
of crap you expect from non-Matrox cards. Note that I use
dual ViewSonic 19" CRTs - perhaps the G550 would have done OK at
1600 x 1200 if it was only trying to drive one of them ?

I think I skipped over the Mystiques - I went straight from
Millenium I and II to G400, G550, and now P650. IIRC, the
Mystique was a low-end G200 series card ?

I thought the Mistique was a Millenium, on the cheap. Most
didn't have dual-head capability. I had to search through a pile
to find ones that would work with dual-head (there's a code on
the cards). Even the laptop needed one of the dual-head capable
cards. Not sure what the difference was.
If you can squeeze the money out of the bean counters, give
VMWare a shot. No more pissing around with KVMs and the
associated rubberized spaghetti. Multiple OSes all running
at the same time is *really* nice with VMWare - particularly
on a dualie with lots of RAM. Do go to the VMWare site
first and take a look at the supported hardware.

I'll take a look. Btw, in this case the counter of beans sleeps
in the same bed. ...and I'd like to keep it that way! ;-)
 
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Rob Stow

KR said:
I thought the Mistique was a Millenium, on the cheap. Most
didn't have dual-head capability. I had to search through a pile
to find ones that would work with dual-head (there's a code on
the cards). Even the laptop needed one of the dual-head capable
cards. Not sure what the difference was.




I'll take a look. Btw, in this case the counter of beans sleeps
in the same bed. ...and I'd like to keep it that way! ;-)

In which case you'll probably want to pass on VMWare.
I bought a copy of VMWare 3.0 a few months ago for $395
(Canadian). Not the kind of money I spend for personal-use
software - you can bet the farm that someone else picked up
the tab for VMWare in my case.
 
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KR Williams

In which case you'll probably want to pass on VMWare.
I bought a copy of VMWare 3.0 a few months ago for $395
(Canadian). Not the kind of money I spend for personal-use
software - you can bet the farm that someone else picked up
the tab for VMWare in my case.
That's sorta what I thought about VMWare. I have tons of high-
priced software (something close to a $100K on my laptop, at one
time), but you can bet I don't have a personal copy. ;-)
 
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gaffo

KR said:
Well... Graphics cards look like a big bugaboo. Unless anyone
can convince me otherwise, I think I'm going safe: Matrox G550.
I'm really a 2D kinda guy anyway (and dual monitors are a must).




Had a Millinium yrs ago. good company.

Have a g-force2mx now - (nvidia) - also good product.


You should consider Nvidia - for the reasons the other poster said -
good drivers for Linux. ATI neglects Linux.

I just bought a Nvidia 5700 LE with 256meg vid ram/TV-out/DVI/dual
monitor support.................all for 120 bucks after rebate. (but
hurry one of the two rebates end in a few days).

I plan to use it in my new PC I'm building using a 30-buck Athlon1800XP,
and 1-gig ram. Yes I do not build around the CPU - I find the CPU is the
less important things to concider in the real word. MONITOR, then RAM
and vid card are the most important, followed by Harddrive. IMO.


I ignore sound and use the on board myself.

here is the link to the vid card:


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=716809&Sku=P450-8511



I'm also 99.44% sure I'm going with SuSE (they've even gotten
smart and are packaging the 64b version along with the 32b
package).

I like SuSe.


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