This is what Vista is all about.

[ceed]

Hi,

My old laptop died, so I ran out and got a new one. I'm a HP addict, so the
only OS I could get on the model I wanted was Vista. So, now I am on Vista.

I swore a while back I never would upgrade unless I had to. That jinxed me
and here I am with a beautiful Aero desktop and a bunch of security
babysitting I have spent more time to disable that it normally takes
installing XP. I have run Windows since 3.1 for Workgroups without one
serious virus or malware attack. So I know what I am doing, but Vista wants
to do it for me. I can't save wallpapers in the wallpaper folder. I can't
run browser add-ons I have run for years. The whole UAC thing is totally
overkill for me, and yet, I am not able to fully control it the way I want.
Oh well...

And now you may think "here's another Vista basher", but you are wrong. I
love Vista! I will never go back (except when I can run my trusty old Linux
distro which I do from time to time). Deep down in Vista resides new memory
management and other file system improvements that makes the OS run like,
yes, a Unix based OS. It's rock solid as soon as you get rid of all the
fluff. So, this is what it's all about for me: I can run my flaky old, and
a couple of new, application with the OS in full control of the resources.
The whole "feel" of Vista running applications is truly satisfying in a way
no other Windows version have been. It's all in this ppt:

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...-82d6-208d3754b2d6/MemoryManagerInWindows.ppt

Interestingly enough, a lot of the ideas and concepts in this presentation
I've seen sometime late last millennium while the software company I worked
for was studying memory management before doing a port of some software to
Linux. But who cares where it comes from as long as it's all good!

I'm now so glad I was forced on to Vista except for all the "security
enhancements" which seems to be based on the theory that if you prevent
someone from doing anything at all it will also include the possible bad
stuff he/she might do. I do not like that in an OS, or in politics or
parenting for that matter!

All you people bashing Vista for one reason or another, please take some
time to look under the hood. There's a beautiful engine down there!

Now back to finding a way to disable UAC so that I do not get a warning
every time I boot.......

 

[Guest]

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/03/VistaKernel/

You should enjoy the above reading; it is good.

 

[John Inzer]

snip<
Now back to finding a way to disable UAC so that I do not get a
warning every time I boot.......

==============================
TweakUAC
http://www.tweak-uac.com/what-is-tweak-uac/

Is the "quiet" mode of UAC less secure?
http://www.tweak-uac.com/

--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

 

[John Inzer]

==============================
TweakUAC
http://www.tweak-uac.com/what-is-tweak-uac/

Is the "quiet" mode of UAC less secure?
http://www.tweak-uac.com/

====================================
FWIW...turning off User Account Control reduces
the security of your system.

The option to disable User Account Control
can be found at: Control Panel / Classic View /
User Accounts.

Disable UAC
http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/supertweaks.htm#one

Enable or Disable UAC From the Windows Vista Command Line
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...able-uac-from-the-windows-vista-command-line/

How To Disable User Account Control
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

Windows Vista Secret #4: Disabling UAC
http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2006/09/20/windows-vista-secret-4-disabling-uac.aspx


--

John Inzer
MS Picture It! -
Digital Image MVP

Digital Image
Highlights and FAQs
http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

Notice
This is not tech support
I am a volunteer

Solutions that work for
me may not work for you

Proceed at your own risk

 

[ceed]

====================================
FWIW...turning off User Account Control reduces
the security of your system.

The option to disable User Account Control
can be found at: Control Panel / Classic View /
User Accounts.

Disable UAC
http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/supertweaks.htm#one

Enable or Disable UAC From the Windows Vista Command Line
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...able-uac-from-the-windows-vista-command-line/

How To Disable User Account Control
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

Windows Vista Secret #4: Disabling UAC
http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2006/09/20/windows-vista-secret-4-disabling-uac.aspx

Thank you! Lot's of useful information and links.

 

[Lang Murphy]

Hi,

My old laptop died, so I ran out and got a new one. I'm a HP addict, so
the
only OS I could get on the model I wanted was Vista. So, now I am on
Vista.

I swore a while back I never would upgrade unless I had to. That jinxed me
and here I am with a beautiful Aero desktop and a bunch of security
babysitting I have spent more time to disable that it normally takes
installing XP. I have run Windows since 3.1 for Workgroups without one
serious virus or malware attack. So I know what I am doing, but Vista
wants
to do it for me. I can't save wallpapers in the wallpaper folder. I can't
run browser add-ons I have run for years. The whole UAC thing is totally
overkill for me, and yet, I am not able to fully control it the way I
want.
Oh well...

And now you may think "here's another Vista basher", but you are wrong. I
love Vista! I will never go back (except when I can run my trusty old
Linux
distro which I do from time to time). Deep down in Vista resides new
memory
management and other file system improvements that makes the OS run like,
yes, a Unix based OS. It's rock solid as soon as you get rid of all the
fluff. So, this is what it's all about for me: I can run my flaky old, and
a couple of new, application with the OS in full control of the resources.
The whole "feel" of Vista running applications is truly satisfying in a
way
no other Windows version have been. It's all in this ppt:

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...-82d6-208d3754b2d6/MemoryManagerInWindows.ppt

Interestingly enough, a lot of the ideas and concepts in this presentation
I've seen sometime late last millennium while the software company I
worked
for was studying memory management before doing a port of some software to
Linux. But who cares where it comes from as long as it's all good!

I'm now so glad I was forced on to Vista except for all the "security
enhancements" which seems to be based on the theory that if you prevent
someone from doing anything at all it will also include the possible bad
stuff he/she might do. I do not like that in an OS, or in politics or
parenting for that matter!

All you people bashing Vista for one reason or another, please take some
time to look under the hood. There's a beautiful engine down there!

Now back to finding a way to disable UAC so that I do not get a warning
every time I boot.......

ceed,

Good post. Personally, I have no issues with UAC. It -may- quiet down with
use; I don't know for sure, but I don't find it all that intrusive. If you
don't like it whatsoever, though, it's your option to disable it, and I see
others have posted lots of links for you to puruse in that regard. I've
never seen the warnings about programs being blocked, if that's what you're
referring to when you say you see warnings every time you boot your PC. I
think I read that there's a way to turn off those warnings without diabling
UAC altogether.

Did you have to remove a bunch of crapware from your HP laptop? No bangs in
Device Manager? I hope OEM's are starting to do a better job on delivering
computers with Vista pre-installed because I believe, just my personal
opinion, that a lot of problems folks had, or are having, with OEM delivered
PC's with Vista pre-installed, were due to the OEM doing a crappy job of
vetting the crapware and device drivers they included with their PC's.
Sounds to me like that's not an issue for your rig, so that's a good thing,
I think.

I like the new search in Vista. Even Control Panel has a search box now.
Which is a great help in finding stuff because of CP's new layout, which
takes some getting used to for us old farts (speaking only for myself) who
don't like to change our habits. ;-)

I also like the new Start menu, although many folks, apparently, do not. The
best tip I found on using the new Start menu is to -use- the scroll wheel on
one's mouse. Most have them these days, after all. After reading that tip,
using the Start menu became a LOT easier. For me, anyway.

I tried Dream Scene for a while. That's pretty cool... (sorry, an Ultimate
Extra only...) but not a deal-breaker if you don't have it, not by any
means.

I like the new system tools... more info available to troubleshoot problems
or just see "behind the curtain" on how certain stuff works. Very cool.

There's a lot of little stuff where Vista just seems "smarter" than XP.

All that said... my main complaint with Vista is with file copies. Sometimes
it just takes WAY too long to do stuff, like even delete a -single- file!
One hopes that will get addressed by SP1, if not sooner. Until then, I'll
put up with it. I think most file copy issues are related to copying
numerous files. Others have written about the details of that, how
permissions may have a negative effect on that... I won't go into detail
here... but it's the most frustrating aspect of Vista for me.

I've still got more XP computers (8) in the house than Vista computers (2).
And that will change over time. Some of the XP computers are still XP
because they're work computers and I'm not going to mess about with
installing Vista on them because Vista isn't yet supported on those
computers. Yet.

My two home PC's are still running XP. One because it's my "video" PC which
has a TV card and a Plextor convertX box attached, niether of which have
Vista drivers and probably never will... The other home PC is the one my
wife uses on a daily basis and that's REALLY a case of "if it ain't broke,
don't fix it." My wife is just now, after years of using computers,
begininng to comprhend the difference between an application and an Explorer
window. (Geez... I -wish- I were kidding or exageratting... but, sigh,
no...). So throwing Vista at her right now? I don't know... I may... but
that PC needs a new video card for Aero, anyway, so I may wait on it. On the
other hand, it's running XP Home which doesn't act as a remote desktop host.
Yeah, I know all about VNC, but I'd prefer to use MS's remote desktop.
Gee... probably -way- more info than you'd care to digest. Sorry for
rambling...

At any rate... glad to hear you're enjoying Vista. Thanks for your post!

Lang

 

[ceed]

ceed,

Good post. Personally, I have no issues with UAC. It -may- quiet down with
use; I don't know for sure, but I don't find it all that intrusive. If you
don't like it whatsoever, though, it's your option to disable it, and I see
others have posted lots of links for you to puruse in that regard. I've
never seen the warnings about programs being blocked, if that's what you're
referring to when you say you see warnings every time you boot your PC. I
think I read that there's a way to turn off those warnings without diabling
UAC altogether.

Did you have to remove a bunch of crapware from your HP laptop? No bangs in
Device Manager? I hope OEM's are starting to do a better job on delivering
computers with Vista pre-installed because I believe, just my personal
opinion, that a lot of problems folks had, or are having, with OEM delivered
PC's with Vista pre-installed, were due to the OEM doing a crappy job of
vetting the crapware and device drivers they included with their PC's.
Sounds to me like that's not an issue for your rig, so that's a good thing,
I think.

I like the new search in Vista. Even Control Panel has a search box now.
Which is a great help in finding stuff because of CP's new layout, which
takes some getting used to for us old farts (speaking only for myself) who
don't like to change our habits. ;-)

I also like the new Start menu, although many folks, apparently, do not. The
best tip I found on using the new Start menu is to -use- the scroll wheel on
one's mouse. Most have them these days, after all. After reading that tip,
using the Start menu became a LOT easier. For me, anyway.

I tried Dream Scene for a while. That's pretty cool... (sorry, an Ultimate
Extra only...) but not a deal-breaker if you don't have it, not by any
means.

I like the new system tools... more info available to troubleshoot problems
or just see "behind the curtain" on how certain stuff works. Very cool.

There's a lot of little stuff where Vista just seems "smarter" than XP.

All that said... my main complaint with Vista is with file copies. Sometimes
it just takes WAY too long to do stuff, like even delete a -single- file!
One hopes that will get addressed by SP1, if not sooner. Until then, I'll
put up with it. I think most file copy issues are related to copying
numerous files. Others have written about the details of that, how
permissions may have a negative effect on that... I won't go into detail
here... but it's the most frustrating aspect of Vista for me.

I've still got more XP computers (8) in the house than Vista computers (2).
And that will change over time. Some of the XP computers are still XP
because they're work computers and I'm not going to mess about with
installing Vista on them because Vista isn't yet supported on those
computers. Yet.

My two home PC's are still running XP. One because it's my "video" PC which
has a TV card and a Plextor convertX box attached, niether of which have
Vista drivers and probably never will... The other home PC is the one my
wife uses on a daily basis and that's REALLY a case of "if it ain't broke,
don't fix it." My wife is just now, after years of using computers,
begininng to comprhend the difference between an application and an Explorer
window. (Geez... I -wish- I were kidding or exageratting... but, sigh,
no...). So throwing Vista at her right now? I don't know... I may... but
that PC needs a new video card for Aero, anyway, so I may wait on it. On the
other hand, it's running XP Home which doesn't act as a remote desktop host.
Yeah, I know all about VNC, but I'd prefer to use MS's remote desktop.
Gee... probably -way- more info than you'd care to digest. Sorry for
rambling...

At any rate... glad to hear you're enjoying Vista. Thanks for your post!

Lang

Thank you for you comments. Yes, I've dealt with so many HP laptops the
last few years that I almost have a ritual for removing all the crap they
put on there. Most of it I still do not know what is, but I guess that
means I do not need it? On this latest one they have this advisor thing
that is designed to be some sort of "Nag Central". It pops up all the times
with new great offers from HP and tells you that you haven't learnt how to
use you web cam yet, the battery is charged, there's an update to HP's
support chat etc.. That thing went off my laptop at light speed!

I have never tried Remote Desktop. Is it the same in Vista as it was in XP?
Now you now gave me an incentive to try it. Thanks.

I also have a couple of XP boxes around my house. However, my wife's gaming
machine just got one of those Raptor drive put in and she wants to boot
directly from that, so we needed to purchase an OS. I went out and found
that I could get an OEM Vista Home Premium cheaper than XP Home (@Fry's).
So now my wife will be on Vista also. She is convinced it's pure evil.

We'll see is she "sees the light" the same way I did. She's a gamer, so
anything making her high end graphics card sing she likes (I did check,
there's Vista drivers for it). And again, I think a cleaned out Vista will
surprise her like it did me, but I may be wrong in which case I will be in
deep and maybe never able to post here again since my fingers will be
chopped off...

 

[Lang Murphy]

Thank you for you comments. Yes, I've dealt with so many HP laptops the
last few years that I almost have a ritual for removing all the crap they
put on there. Most of it I still do not know what is, but I guess that
means I do not need it? On this latest one they have this advisor thing
that is designed to be some sort of "Nag Central". It pops up all the
times
with new great offers from HP and tells you that you haven't learnt how to
use you web cam yet, the battery is charged, there's an update to HP's
support chat etc.. That thing went off my laptop at light speed!

Sounds like a case of "good riddance!" Who needs a "Nag Central?" LOL!

I have never tried Remote Desktop. Is it the same in Vista as it was in
XP?
Now you now gave me an incentive to try it. Thanks.

I haven't noticed any differences between XP's and Vista's Remote Desktops.
Well, I guess there's added security... you can set Vista's RD to accept
connections from any version of RD or only from computers running RD and
NLA. But you can't use any Home versions of Vista as RD hosts... which is no
different than XP Home, which also could not act as an RD host.

I also have a couple of XP boxes around my house. However, my wife's
gaming
machine just got one of those Raptor drive put in and she wants to boot
directly from that, so we needed to purchase an OS. I went out and found
that I could get an OEM Vista Home Premium cheaper than XP Home (@Fry's).
So now my wife will be on Vista also. She is convinced it's pure evil.

We'll see is she "sees the light" the same way I did. She's a gamer, so
anything making her high end graphics card sing she likes (I did check,
there's Vista drivers for it). And again, I think a cleaned out Vista will
surprise her like it did me, but I may be wrong in which case I will be in
deep and maybe never able to post here again since my fingers will be
chopped off...

My son runs "Call of Duty 2" on a Dell XPS Gen 2 with 1GB RAM running
Ultimate. Believe me, he'd be crying like a baby if it didn't perform up to
his expectations. Not much of a gamer, myself, though. But I think your wife
should be fine. (fingers crossed!)

Lang