This is a bit of a showstopper

[DrTeeth]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;312067

So defragging will delete restore points unless the disk has 16K
clusters. The default size is 4K. Therefore problems ahead. Nice one
Bill.

Anybody know a way to non-destructively change cluster sizes on an
NTFS partition?
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[Richie Hardwick]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;312067

So defragging will delete restore points unless the disk has 16K
clusters.

Vista's defragger won't do that. Many will, except for those that
allow for the smaller cluster size on VSS-enabled volumes - like
Diskeeper, to name one.


Richie Hardwick

 

[Steve Thackery]

The link talks about Shadow Copies, not Restore Points.

Nice one, DrTeeth.

But the Vista Restore Point functionality uses Shadow Copy, doesn't it?
Unlike XP and earlier.

SteveT

 

[Steve Thackery]

I've just read the article, and apparently it doesn't apply to Vista, only
to the various versions of Server 2003.

Looks like we're OK, then. Still a remarkable bug, though.

SteveT

 

[DrTeeth]

But the Vista Restore Point functionality uses Shadow Copy, doesn't it?

Exactly, cannot separate the two.
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[Peter Foldes]

DrTeeth

I wish that you guy's think what you post about Vista holds true or not.

What you have posted has NOTHING at all to do with Vista . READ THE MS KB YOU POSTED
It is a problem only with the W2K3 Server versions and only if the following holds true as per below. Also the last copy of the shadow copy is retained and the oldest deleted.


The System Shadow Copy provider uses a copy-on-write mechanism that operates at a 16-KB block level. This is independent of the file system's cluster allocation unit size. If the file system's cluster size is smaller than 16 KB, the System Shadow Copy provider cannot easily determine that disk defragmentation I/O is different from typical write I/O, and performs a copy-on-write operation. This might cause the Shadow Copy storage area to grow very quickly. If the storage area reaches its user-defined limit, the oldest shadow copies are deleted first

 

[DrTeeth]

Many will, except for those that
allow for the smaller cluster size on VSS-enabled volumes - like
Diskeeper, to name one.

Raxco PerfectDisk is supposed to do that, but sometimes the points get
deleted. from reading the MSKB article, no defragger is _totally_
immune.
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[Peter Foldes]

Steve

His (DrTeeth) post on that KB has nothing at all to do with Vista. Read the KB and what it applies to as far as which OS

 

[Richard Urban]

Some people know what they are commenting about. Then there are those that
haven't got a clue!

 

[LesleyO]

Yes, I use Diskeeper and there's no problem.
Lesley

 

[Ian D]

Some people know what they are commenting about. Then there are those that
haven't got a clue!

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Windows Desktop Experience

Yup. Next, someone will post that they read that Vista won't
work with more than 512MB of RAM.

That myth about Win98 is still being propogated by "experts".

 

[DrTeeth]

His (DrTeeth) post on that KB has nothing at all to do with Vista. Read the KB and what it applies to as far as which OS

The issue IS present in Vista and has been confirmed by raxco, the
maker of PerfectDisk.
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[DrTeeth]

What you have posted has NOTHING at all to do with Vista

WRONG, see previous post.
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[DrTeeth]

Some people know what they are commenting about. Then there are those that
haven't got a clue!

Instead of being 'smart', perhaps you could be constructive. I do have
the issue in Vista SP1 and it has been confirmed by Raxco, the
publishers/authors of PerfectDisk...it is they that gave me the link.

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[DrTeeth]

That myth about Win98 is still being propogated by "experts".

We are talking about a MSKB that applies to Vista in spite of what it
says.
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[Peter Foldes]

DrTeeth

They are wrong as far as it affects Vista. You have a link so as we can read to confirm ??? If you do can you post it

 

[Steve Thackery]

Instead of being 'smart', perhaps you could be constructive. I do have

the issue in Vista SP1 and it has been confirmed by Raxco, the
publishers/authors of PerfectDisk...it is they that gave me the link.

So go on, then, share the link! Otherwise we'll think you're full of shit.

SteveT

 

[Steve Thackery]

The issue IS present in Vista and has been confirmed by raxco, the

maker of PerfectDisk.

Sounds like rubbish to me. Come on, let's see the link.

SteveT

 

[DrTeeth]

They are wrong as far as it affects Vista

Received from PerfectDisk tech support, "Microsoft has not updated the
article but I can confirm that we deal with this quite a lot and
changing the cluster size to 16K has resolved this each time. This
applies to any Windows OS running VSS, including Vista."

Case closed.
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[DrTeeth]

Sounds like rubbish to me.

See post to Peter; it ain't rubbish.
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