The problem with Zone Alarm

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elaich

The problem with Zone Alarm is that it was purchased and is now owned
by Check Point, an Israeli outfit suspected of being in the espionage
racket for Mossad.

Check Point Software Technologies Ltd
3A Jabotinsky St., Diamond Tower
Ramat Gan, 52520, Israel

If you want to trust an application with such suspicious ownership that is
supposed to be protecting your computer, and that ALSO stays in contact
with home base at all times, that's your perogative.
 
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Josh Randall

elaich said:
The problem with Zone Alarm is that it was purchased and is now owned
by Check Point, an Israeli outfit suspected of being in the espionage
racket for Mossad.
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Didn't know that. But I had to remove it (by re-formatting) because it keep
using my web connection for unknown reasons. Plus it slowed down a lot of my
progs...........

Same story with a lot of great stuff I used to use :)

JR
 
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me

elaich said:
The problem with Zone Alarm is that it was purchased and is
now owned by Check Point, an Israeli outfit suspected of
being in the espionage racket for Mossad.

Check Point Software Technologies Ltd
3A Jabotinsky St., Diamond Tower
Ramat Gan, 52520, Israel

If you want to trust an application with such suspicious
ownership that is supposed to be protecting your computer,
and that ALSO stays in contact with home base at all times,
that's your perogative.
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"Rumor hath it" has been around for quite some time -- anything
to back it up?

J
 
S

Sparky

"Rumor hath it" has been around for quite some time -- anything
to back it up?

J
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Well;

Checkpoint *is* Israeli and owns Zone Alarm. But Checkpoint Software
does not come up as one of the companies under investigation in any of
the searches I've done.

I'd like to see Elaich's source material too.

Fwiw, a number of Zone Alarm veterans decamped (some would say fled) to
another security company (Tenebril) after Checkpoint's buyout. Read for
example: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1353

-Sparky
 
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me

Well;

Checkpoint *is* Israeli and owns Zone Alarm. But
Checkpoint Software does not come up as one of the
companies under investigation in any of the searches I've
done.

I'd like to see Elaich's source material too.

Fwiw, a number of Zone Alarm veterans decamped (some would
say fled) to another security company (Tenebril) after
Checkpoint's buyout. Read for example:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1353

-Sparky
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Thanks, Sparky.

J
 
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No Mas

elaich said:
The problem with Zone Alarm is that it was purchased and is now owned
by Check Point, an Israeli outfit suspected of being in the espionage
racket for Mossad.

Check Point Software Technologies Ltd
3A Jabotinsky St., Diamond Tower
Ramat Gan, 52520, Israel

If you want to trust an application with such suspicious ownership that is
supposed to be protecting your computer, and that ALSO stays in contact
with home base at all times, that's your perogative.
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Of course it is, that's why I use it. Just as it's your perogative not to,
tho if you do so for this absurd reason then it likely doesn't matter what
product you use, you'll defeat the purpose with mindless surfing.
 
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Ben A Gozar

elaich said:
If you want to trust an application with such suspicious ownership
that is supposed to be protecting your computer, and that ALSO stays
in contact with home base at all times, that's your perogative.
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Isn't this like beating the bushes for the boogey man? He must be out
there somewhere, we will just keep looking.

We are talking about freeware here right as in you paying nothing to use
the program?

What possible things could you be doing on your computer that any
government would have an interest in? You are not working with highly
classified secrets of the government of the United States on your
computer?

Nah, didn't think so. lol
 
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Peacerose

elaich said:
The problem with Zone Alarm is that it was purchased and is now owned
by Check Point, an Israeli outfit suspected of being in the espionage
racket for Mossad.
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Interesting problem. I did a Google search of "Zone Alarm owned by Mossad"
and found that elaich has been busily posting this same "news" on message
boards all over the place. The other web sites carrying this important
information were what I would call "Islamic extremist" web sites: bin Laden
is a victim/patsy of the CIA, America is the fount of all evil, and Zone
Alarm is used by the Mossad to spy on computer users. (Is that really what
you believe, Elaich?) As if the Mossad needed to rely on ordinary computer
users to install their spy program in order to find out what's up?! This is
pure malarkey. Consider the source.

Peacerose
 
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Josh Randall

As if the Mossad needed to rely on ordinary computer
users to install their spy program in order to find out what's up?! This is
pure malarkey. Consider the source.
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Your a bit naive, there, pardner. Ever hear of the site in remote Australia
run by the CIA? (can't remember the name, somebody help me). Anyway, it's
*there* to circumvent any possible problems with the Constitution. ALL, and
I mean ALL phone calls (even land line), e-mails, web searches, and faxes
are intercepted and recorded by robot. Flagged ones are reviewed by humans
and forwarded for further *investigation*. The Mossad has access along with
a few others (MI 6 and MI 7 in the UK). As spybots get better that *we* use,
they get better at getting around them. I don't know about ZA in particular,
but it sounds pretty much SOP to me. YMMV.

JR
 
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Peacerose

Of course governments eavesdrop. It's called "intelligence gathering."
What I am saying is that they don't need Zone Alarm or any other
user-installed program to do it. I don't worry. I'm sure what I do online
is of very little interest to any government. As for you and Elaich, it may
be a different story!

Peacerose
 
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elaich

Interesting problem. I did a Google search of "Zone Alarm owned by
Mossad" and found that elaich has been busily posting this same "news"
on message boards all over the place.
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Incorrect. I posted it to this NG, comp.security.firewalls, and
24hoursupport.helpdesk. Perhaps you should be sure of yourself before you
go posting such wild allegations.

It's a fact that others besides me have been alarmed by this. Before
blaming me for the entire thing, perhaps you should consider that there
may be a groundswell of concern about this. OR, try reading the entire
thread, in which it was mentioned a a large number of Zone Alarm faithful
were concerned enough to change firewalls.

BTW, here is the result of my own Google search:

Your search - "Zone Alarm owned by Mossad" - did not match any documents.
 
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Margrave of Brandenburg

elaich said:
Incorrect. I posted it to this NG, comp.security.firewalls, and
24hoursupport.helpdesk. Perhaps you should be sure of yourself before you
go posting such wild allegations.

It's a fact that others besides me have been alarmed by this. Before
blaming me for the entire thing, perhaps you should consider that there
may be a groundswell of concern about this. OR, try reading the entire
thread, in which it was mentioned a a large number of Zone Alarm faithful
were concerned enough to change firewalls.
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Exactly. And I think there's a connection with the aliens found at Roswell
:)
 
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Margrave of Brandenburg

elaich said:
BTW, here is the result of my own Google search:

Your search - "Zone Alarm owned by Mossad" - did not match any documents.
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Not any? Hmmm ... my search yielded 4,310 matches, of which the very first
one was a link to chat room full of conspiracy theorists.
 
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John Fitzsimons

As if the Mossad needed to rely on ordinary computer
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Your a bit naive, there, pardner. Ever hear of the site in remote Australia
run by the CIA? (can't remember the name, somebody help me). Anyway, it's
*there* to circumvent any possible problems with the Constitution. ALL, and
I mean ALL phone calls (even land line), e-mails, web searches, and faxes
are intercepted and recorded by robot. Flagged ones are reviewed by humans
and forwarded for further *investigation*. The Mossad has access along with
a few others (MI 6 and MI 7 in the UK). As spybots get better that *we* use,
they get better at getting around them. I don't know about ZA in particular,
but it sounds pretty much SOP to me. YMMV.
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http://www.fas.org/irp/facility/pine_gap.htm
 
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Peacerose

elaich said:
Incorrect. I posted it to this NG, comp.security.firewalls, and
24hoursupport.helpdesk. Perhaps you should be sure of yourself before you
go posting such wild allegations.

It's a fact that others besides me have been alarmed by this. Before
blaming me for the entire thing, perhaps you should consider that there
may be a groundswell of concern about this. OR, try reading the entire
thread, in which it was mentioned a a large number of Zone Alarm faithful
were concerned enough to change firewalls.

BTW, here is the result of my own Google search:

Your search - "Zone Alarm owned by Mossad" - did not match any documents.
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Maybe someone is posting in your name with your exact same words?
http://www.issociate.de/board/post/218692/The_problem_with_Zone_Alarm.html
http://forum.iamnotageek.com/history/topic.php/1819077573-1.html
http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?threadid=186974

Or maybe I'm a Mossad agent? ;)

Peacerose
 
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donnie

Josh Randall said:
As if the Mossad needed to rely on ordinary computer

Your a bit naive, there, pardner. Ever hear of the site in remote
Australia
run by the CIA? (can't remember the name, somebody help me). Anyway, it's
*there* to circumvent any possible problems with the Constitution. ALL,
and
I mean ALL phone calls (even land line), e-mails, web searches, and faxes
are intercepted and recorded by robot. Flagged ones are reviewed by humans
and forwarded for further *investigation*. The Mossad has access along
with
a few others (MI 6 and MI 7 in the UK). As spybots get better that *we*
use,
they get better at getting around them. I don't know about ZA in
particular,
but it sounds pretty much SOP to me. YMMV.
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Whew.

Make sure you keep that aluminum foil helmet on at all times!
 
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elaich

Peacerose said:
Maybe someone is posting in your name with your exact same words?
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In case you didn't take the time to notice, those are all Web newsreaders
that are reproducing this very thread.
 
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elaich

Make sure you keep that aluminum foil helmet on at all times!
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It has been expected for several years now that organized crime and/or
terrorist organizations would set up or purchase trusted software like
anti-virus or firewalls, for the express purpose of gathering information
about their users.
 
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