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Jeff Relf

Hi rawrite ,
You comment ,
" your sole work in computing in the past 10 years ,
if your comments are to be believed ,
is that of writing c code on windows 98
for a group of bankers
who use this simulation to be trained "

Oh ! So you claim that I'm lying about my past ? !

I've been a professional programmer since the start of 1982 .
I started programming in 1976 .
I've written and developed editors for courseware .
I've programmed in courseware for PC's ,
minicomputers and hand-held devices .

I've even worked at Boeing under a larger contract ,
working for a very large team of people .

I know what " Computing solutions " are .

I also know what Wall Street and balance sheets are about .

Here's the proof :
I understand IBM , while you do Not .
 
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rawrite

Jeff said:
Hi rawrite ,
You comment ,
" your sole work in computing in the past 10 years ,
if your comments are to be believed ,
is that of writing c code on windows 98
for a group of bankers
who use this simulation to be trained "

Oh ! So you claim that I'm lying about my past ? !

I've been a professional programmer since the start of 1982 .
I started programming in 1976 .
I've written and developed editors for courseware .
I've programmed in courseware for PC's ,
minicomputers and hand-held devices .

I've even worked at Boeing under a larger contract ,
working for a very large team of people .

I know what " Computing solutions " are .

I also know what Wall Street and balance sheets are about .

Here's the proof :
I understand IBM , while you do Not .
Click to expand...

And thus your resume is a shopping list of all that is wrong with
society. Each item on this role of evil, shows that you have adopted
the aire of falsehood and using technology to berate and harass people
because that is what Bill Gates and Jeff Relf are prone to do. See that
list above, it is the list of Bill Gates and Jeff Relf who are not part
of business or the making of humans as better and better and better, but
as denigrating the spirit of humanity and all that is low or base.

This list above is not something that Bill Gates and Jeff Relf should
tout and make known, for in knowing that list above they make themselves
revealed and their evil revealed, and when I say evil I say it for a
very specific reason. And it is evil in the sense of trying to belittle
people with that list. Bill Gates and Jeff Relf take that list and
parade it in front of people and make those people feel so bad and make
those bankers feel so bad and then claim to have a standard. And where
is the standard? It is not an ordinary standard in the sense of
something good and right, but something bad and making peole feel bad
and Bill Gates and Jeff Relf are making those people feel bad to sell
something that is not a standard.
 
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Jeff Relf

Hi rawrite ,
You repeat ,
" The real standards ,
as I have said many times before ,
for the user , are not desktop ,
they are the standards of the Web and the Internet "

Wong . Simply wrong .

Are you using Google to post ? Why not ?

The web is basically a ****ed-up version of Usenet .

My games can run without a local area network ,
much less the web . It's not a correspondence course .
It's still face to face .

The web has it's place ,
but it is not the be all and end all .
 
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rawrite

Jeff said:
Hi rawrite ,
You repeat ,
" The real standards ,
as I have said many times before ,
for the user , are not desktop ,
they are the standards of the Web and the Internet "

Wong . Simply wrong .

Are you using Google to post ? Why not ?

The web is basically a ****ed-up version of Usenet .

My games can run without a local area network ,
much less the web . It's not a correspondence course .
It's still face to face .

The web has it's place ,
but it is not the be all and end all .
Click to expand...

I never said it was. In fact, I wrote a letter to .NET magazine (and it
was published) about my feelings on the Web and Web Services.

http://www.ftponline.com/wss/2002_11/magazine/departments/letters/

Here's the text if you're too lazy to click the hyperlink..

Web Services: The End of an Era?
In response to Mark Driver's Trends & Analysis column, "Navigate the Web
Services Hype Cycle [.NET Magazine, September 2002]:

I look at Web services another way. They are not a "new" technology, but
the culmination—or high point—of ideas about software and network
architecture using a technology curve that began in 1995 with the
appearance of the Web. As such, they represent the end of an era—kind of
like the best horse-drawn carriages that were made just prior to the
introduction of the automobile. .NET represents the continuation of the
client/server model that was "interrupted" by the Web. With DSL now in
place as the cheapest, most available, and most likely to succeed high
bandwidth technology, software can pick up where it left off when the
Web forced us into low bandwidth solutions (to serve consumer demand
over low speed modems). The "Web" part of the Internet is over. .NET is
a great software applications platform and a brilliant leap forward in
mapping object oriented programming (OOP) to the operating system and
network services.

John A. Bailo
recieved by e-mail
 
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Jeff Relf

Hi rawrite ,
You claim I'm " only seeing a Mass market " .

Thousands of bankers play my games every year ,
and each year it's a different set of people .

They meet face to face .

In fact these " Graduate School's of Banking "
and mostly a way for bankers to get drunk and schmooze .

They do their work in Excel .

They have no interest in rewriting the game .
they don't want to learn some esoteric version of Linux .

As I said before ,
There is a time and place for everything .
Your " One size fits all " mentality ,
" _ Everyone _ must innovate and program in open source "
just doesn't cut it .
 
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rawrite

Jeff said:
Hi rawrite ,
You claim I'm " only seeing a Mass market " .

Thousands of bankers play my games every year ,
and each year it's a different set of people .

They meet face to face .

In fact these " Graduate School's of Banking "
and mostly a way for bankers to get drunk and schmooze .

They do their work in Excel .

They have no interest in rewriting the game .
they don't want to learn some esoteric version of Linux .

As I said before ,
There is a time and place for everything .
Your " One size fits all " mentality ,
" _ Everyone _ must innovate and program in open source "
just doesn't cut it .
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What are you going to do when those banks start using Open Office Calc ?

( Once again I reproduce your words in full since their lies and idiocy
speak form themselves. )

Who do you think you're fooling ?

Banks want to save money and cut costs. The quicker they can get rid of
that simulation and convert it to a Java Web Start app -- the better.
 
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the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz

rawrite said:
Cron wrote:



True in what sense? What evidence do you have to support this? When
is it going to be released? How will it circumvent the GNU GPL ?
Click to expand...

It's actually quite easy to circumvent the GPL with a Linux
distribution. See how the likes of Xandros, SuSE and Lindows do it.
Sure, you can still take out the proprietary parts of their
distributions and pass those along, but consider this:

1. Often the proprietary parts are what make those distros worth while
(especially with Xandros and SuSE) and

2. for most it is just too much trouble to go through, especially if the
boxed distro has an attractive price.

So, if Microsoft were to create a Linux distro with some interesting
proprietary added value, they might actually make a tidy sum out of it.
Provided they don't price it at the level of their current software
offerings, that is.

--
the Entity Formerly Known As Jazz

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
 
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paul cooke

the said:
It's actually quite easy to circumvent the GPL with a Linux
distribution. See how the likes of Xandros, SuSE and Lindows do it.
Sure, you can still take out the proprietary parts of their
distributions and pass those along, but consider this:

1. Often the proprietary parts are what make those distros worth while
(especially with Xandros and SuSE) and

2. for most it is just too much trouble to go through, especially if the
boxed distro has an attractive price.

So, if Microsoft were to create a Linux distro with some interesting
proprietary added value, they might actually make a tidy sum out of it.
Provided they don't price it at the level of their current software
offerings, that is.
Click to expand...

PHBs would flock in droves to a Linux distro that had the Microsoft name on
it... especially if the proprietary parts for it were perfect support for
all existing ms-windows programs and a port of the explorer desktop to run
in X-windows on top of the Linux bits...

The other distros wouldn't be able to compete as they would be locked out
from the perfect ms-windows legacy app support that the "official"
Microsoft Linux would have.
 
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SARS

Person Jeff Relf said:
Hi J.A. Bailo [ a.k.a. rawrite ] , Re: My resume ,
You say , " it is evil
in the sense of trying to belittle people with that list "

What ? Sometimes people hire professionals .

Why ? Because they have better things to do with their time .

No one is " Belittled " by that .

Open source is sometimes fine ,
I gave you some of my code , free and clear .

But that's Not always the best solution .
Hierarchies of ownership exist for a reason .

You don't want to own anything ?
You don't own anything ? Fine . Don't .
No one is forcing you to .
Click to expand...

It's not that I don't want to own anything -- I just want the /good stuff/ !!!

Like RedHat stock :

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=6m&s=MSFT&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=rhat

You can have Microsoft for all I care...

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040105/markets_stocks_19.html

Reuters
Nasdaq Closes Near 2-Year High
Monday January 5, 4:37 pm ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. technology stocks rose on Monday, pushing the
Nasdaq Composite Index to its highest level in almost two years, lifted by
a positive forecast from software maker Siebel Systems Inc. .
 
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Jeff Relf

Hi J.A. Bailo [ a.k.a. rawrite ] , Re: My resume ,
You say , " it is evil
in the sense of trying to belittle people with that list "

What ? Sometimes people hire professionals .

Why ? Because they have better things to do with their time .

No one is " Belittled " by that .

Open source is sometimes fine ,
I gave you some of my code , free and clear .

But that's Not always the best solution .
Hierarchies of ownership exist for a reason .

You don't want to own anything ?
You don't own anything ? Fine . Don't .
No one is forcing you to .
 
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Jeff Relf

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