Thanks to all who answered my questions

[Bible John]

I want to thank you all for answering my questions. I guess I cant
email a native Pocket Word of Excel file to someone without Active Sync,
or in the case of Pocket Excel (to someone without a PocketPC). Yes I do
have TextMaker office, but it does not allow password protecting of
native Word and Excel files as I understand.

So the solution was to create password protected zip files with native
MS office files in them. I wont send the data that I wish to send in the
body of any email message, nor will I sent it without a password as the
risks are too high.


Thanks again.


John
--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

I want to thank you all for answering my questions. I guess I cant
email a native Pocket Word of Excel file to someone without Active
Sync, or in the case of Pocket Excel (to someone without a PocketPC).

Yes, you can. (Or, I should say, it's possible, but you, in your unique
situation, won't want to.)

I had to dust off my old NEC HPC to test, but the .pxl file I e-
mailed to myself was converted by the HPC e-mail program because it
showed up in my inbox as an .xls file, not a .pxl. So the act of e-
mailing converts the file.

Having said that, this doesn't help YOU in your situation, because the
file loses the password protection (I was prompted for the password when
I hit "send" so the file was unlocked prior to conversion.)

I just wanted to point this out in case anyone lurking needs to send a
pocket-version of an Office file and incorrectly assumes the recipients
would need Activesync to use it. If you think about it, requiring
recipients to need conversion software would really undermine the
usefulness of HPCs and PPCs.

(Of course, this begs the question that if the HPC or PPC can convert the
files themselves when necessary, why didn't they give us that option
directly on the device!)

Again, I reiterate that this in no way helps you, since if you were to
zip the .pxl or .pwd doc first (with or without a password) the HPC
couldn't convert it, as it wouldn't "see" inside the zip file to perform
the conversion.

So the solution was to create password protected zip files with native
MS office files in them.

That's probably the only protected option for your situation. For less
sensitive documents, however, e-mailing .pxl and .pwd docs require no
conversion regardless of recipient.

 

[Bible John]

Yes, you can. (Or, I should say, it's possible, but you, in your unique
situation, won't want to.)

I had to dust off my old NEC HPC to test, but the .pxl file I e-
mailed to myself was converted by the HPC e-mail program because it
showed up in my inbox as an .xls file, not a .pxl. So the act of e-
mailing converts the file.

This did not work with my Jornada 720. What did you do?

I have to manually convert files.


John

Having said that, this doesn't help YOU in your situation, because the
file loses the password protection (I was prompted for the password when
I hit "send" so the file was unlocked prior to conversion.)

I just wanted to point this out in case anyone lurking needs to send a
pocket-version of an Office file and incorrectly assumes the recipients
would need Activesync to use it. If you think about it, requiring
recipients to need conversion software would really undermine the
usefulness of HPCs and PPCs.

(Of course, this begs the question that if the HPC or PPC can convert the
files themselves when necessary, why didn't they give us that option
directly on the device!)

Again, I reiterate that this in no way helps you, since if you were to
zip the .pxl or .pwd doc first (with or without a password) the HPC
couldn't convert it, as it wouldn't "see" inside the zip file to perform
the conversion.



That's probably the only protected option for your situation. For less
sensitive documents, however, e-mailing .pxl and .pwd docs require no
conversion regardless of recipient.

--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

This did not work with my Jornada 720. What did you do?

I simply e-mailed it as an attachment from my AOL IMAP account. It
showed up in my webmail as an .xls. attachment.

 

[Bible John]

I simply e-mailed it as an attachment from my AOL IMAP account. It
showed up in my webmail as an .xls. attachment.

But AOL is not the same as Pocket Outlook, and remember that AOL does
not ship with every HPC like Pocket Outlook does.

Also how did you access webmail on the HPC? Which service?

Hotmail among others crash the unit, but I am aware that Squirrel mail
works just fine on the HPC.


John
--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

But AOL is not the same as Pocket Outlook, and remember that AOL does
not ship with every HPC like Pocket Outlook does.

I didn't use AOL software. I used Pocket Outlook. This isn't 1999, AOL
mail accounts are no longer proprietary- you can access them via Pocket
Outlook ("Inbox") by setting them up as IMAP accounts.

Also how did you access webmail on the HPC? Which service?

I used an old laptop (the only PC I had without Activesync on it!) to
retrieve the e-mail to see if was a .pxl or .xls. It was an .xls.

Hotmail among others crash the unit, but I am aware that Squirrel mail
works just fine on the HPC.

AOL has allowed access via IMAP for a few years, allowing you to use any
e-mail software, and now offers free e-mail accounts. I rarely use
webmail, since I always have my PPC with me.

 

[Todd Allcock]

Sorry to reply to myself, John, but I retract my previous statement as to
the file conversion on an HPC.

I must have been tired, loopy, or both late that night when performing my
test- I sent myself an .xls from my NEC 790, not a .pxl! So of course it
came out an .xls file on the other end since that's how it started!

However, sending a .pxl file from my _Pocket_PC (a Dell Axim) DID come
out an .xls on the received e-mail (as I remembered doing many times
before!)


I had forgotten that some of the Excel files on my semi-retired HPC are
"real" Excel .xls files from the days when I tried out SpreadCE.

After sending my last post, I dragged out the NEC again to repeat my
test (since you couldn't get it to work, I was going to "retrace my
steps" and see where you might be messing it up!) and when attaching the
file realized it, like the other Excel files on the HPC, was an .xls!


My sincere apologies for the confusion. I'd recommend SpreadCE to you
for working with Excel files, but if I recall a prior post, you've
already bought Planmaker, so you've solved that issue already.

Again, please accept my apologies for my earlier error.

I didn't use AOL software. I used Pocket Outlook. This isn't 1999, AOL
mail accounts are no longer proprietary- you can access them via Pocket
Outlook ("Inbox") by setting them up as IMAP accounts...

<snip>

 

[Bible John]

Thanks for your honesty. Why did you retire your HPC? I use my PDA and
my HPC for different things.


John

Sorry to reply to myself, John, but I retract my previous statement as to
the file conversion on an HPC.

I must have been tired, loopy, or both late that night when performing my
test- I sent myself an .xls from my NEC 790, not a .pxl! So of course it
came out an .xls file on the other end since that's how it started!

However, sending a .pxl file from my _Pocket_PC (a Dell Axim) DID come
out an .xls on the received e-mail (as I remembered doing many times
before!)


I had forgotten that some of the Excel files on my semi-retired HPC are
"real" Excel .xls files from the days when I tried out SpreadCE.

After sending my last post, I dragged out the NEC again to repeat my
test (since you couldn't get it to work, I was going to "retrace my
steps" and see where you might be messing it up!) and when attaching the
file realized it, like the other Excel files on the HPC, was an .xls!


My sincere apologies for the confusion. I'd recommend SpreadCE to you
for working with Excel files, but if I recall a prior post, you've
already bought Planmaker, so you've solved that issue already.

Again, please accept my apologies for my earlier error.


<snip>

--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

Thanks for your honesty. Why did you retire your HPC? I use my PDA and
my HPC for different things.

I used to use it primarily for data entry into a couple of spreadsheets
for my business, and accessing a few dedicated business websites.
Eventually, I decided that the small size advantage of the PPC trumped
the disadvantage of stylus entry vs. keyboard, and the nail in the coffin
was the upgrade of one of the websites I needed to access into a java-
laden mess no HPC-browser could handle. (No PPC browser can either, but
I can get to it on my PPC via my desktop with LogMeIn.com.)

Now the HPC is an occasional "web pad" when my wife and kids hog all of
the real computers around the house.

 

[Bible John]

I used to use it primarily for data entry into a couple of spreadsheets
for my business, and accessing a few dedicated business websites.
Eventually, I decided that the small size advantage of the PPC trumped
the disadvantage of stylus entry vs. keyboard, and the nail in the coffin
was the upgrade of one of the websites I needed to access into a java-
laden mess no HPC-browser could handle. (No PPC browser can either, but
I can get to it on my PPC via my desktop with LogMeIn.com.)

Now the HPC is an occasional "web pad" when my wife and kids hog all of
the real computers around the house.

I must admit the browser built in does crash and is very slow compared
to my desktop and laptop. But the HPC has other advantages.

Just look at the 200LX. Its got no browser, yet people use it for other
reasons outside of Internet access. I owned one once, and it was a nice
machine. But no it was not a Internet machine, and as far as I
understand you cant really access the Internet via Wifi or ethernet,
only via a modem on that machine.

Bye the way whats logmein.com?

https://secure.logmein.com/go.asp?page=home


John
--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

Bye the way whats logmein.com?

A service that allows remote control access of your PC from any other PC
(or PPC) on the web. When I'm on vacation in Vegas next month, I can log
in to LogMeIn's site with my username and password, then they'll connect
me to my desktop and I'll see my desktop's display on my PPC, and be able
to control the PC remotely- e-mail myself a file I forgot to bring with me,
browse websites that won't display on the PPC's browser, etc.

 

[Bible John]

A service that allows remote control access of your PC from any other PC
(or PPC) on the web. When I'm on vacation in Vegas next month, I can log
in to LogMeIn's site with my username and password, then they'll connect
me to my desktop and I'll see my desktop's display on my PPC, and be able
to control the PC remotely- e-mail myself a file I forgot to bring with me,
browse websites that won't display on the PPC's browser, etc.

Sounds like terminal Service client (which ships with the Jornada 720)
or Citrix.

Or like PC Anywhere (that was available for the Jornada 680).


John
--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

Sounds like terminal Service client (which ships with the Jornada 720)
or Citrix.

Yes, but a third party service like LogMeIn (or GoToMyPC) is less
headache to work with, particularly when your PC sits behind a router
connected to the net with a dynamic address!


Because it all works through a browser, without messing with VPNs or
tunneling, you can use it easily from "borrowed" PCs, like at a friend's
house or a public computer like a hotel-lobby PC.

 

[Bible John]

Yes, but a third party service like LogMeIn (or GoToMyPC) is less
headache to work with, particularly when your PC sits behind a router
connected to the net with a dynamic address!


Because it all works through a browser, without messing with VPNs or
tunneling, you can use it easily from "borrowed" PCs, like at a friend's
house or a public computer like a hotel-lobby PC.

I would agree, but then there is that price tag which is expensive. But
I see your POV. However if you use a HPC you cant use that service but
you can use Terminal Server. But web browsing on a shared screen is a
pain in the butt on the HPC. Its probably so on the PPC, and who would
want to browse on a PPC anyways without the keyboard,etc..
--
Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and
sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing
asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and
is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Todd Allcock]

I would agree, but then there is that price tag which is expensive.

Actually LogMeIn's basic service is free, as an enticement to upgrade, I
assume.

Basic works fine for me.

But
I see your POV. However if you use a HPC you cant use that service but
you can use Terminal Server. But web browsing on a shared screen is a
pain in the butt on the HPC. Its probably so on the PPC, and who would
want to browse on a PPC anyways without the keyboard,etc..

Actually I browse on my PPC often, but I generally stick to PDA/phone
formatted sites.

I use LogMeIn for a specific site that PDA browsers can't display.