Test power supply???

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I am working on a pc that will not power up. Plug everything up to the pc and
turn it on and nothing - it's dead in the water. My initial guess is that the
power supply has gone bad. What is the easiest way to check to see if a power
supply has gone bad? Also, any other suggestions on what to check when a pc
is dead will be appreciated. Thanks.
 
Ross said:
I am working on a pc that will not power up. Plug everything up to
the pc and
turn it on and nothing - it's dead in the water. My initial guess is
that the
power supply has gone bad. What is the easiest way to check to see
if a power
supply has gone bad? Also, any other suggestions on what to check
when a pc
is dead will be appreciated. Thanks.


What type of power supply? AT, BX, ATX, what?
 
Ross said:
I am working on a pc that will not power up. Plug everything up to
the pc and
turn it on and nothing - it's dead in the water. My initial guess is
that the
power supply has gone bad. What is the easiest way to check to see
if a power
supply has gone bad? Also, any other suggestions on what to check
when a pc
is dead will be appreciated. Thanks.


Also, how is this a Windows XP question? If the host doesn't power
up, no operating system is getting loaded so it wouldn't matter which
one(s) was(were) installed on your hard disks. There are hardware
newsgroups.
 
VanguardLH,

The power supply is an ATX. Thanks for asking, let me know if there is an
easy way to see if this power supply has gone bad.

Also, you ask: ""Also, how is this a Windows XP question?"" Well, yes there
are other groups such as hardware. The problem is that very few people post
on these boards and sometimes it takes awhile to get your questions answered.
So, I am posting the problem here for a quick response. Hope this is not a
problem for you.
 
Hi Ross,

As Glen stated use another system to check it. I've done this many many
times without causing problems to the system. BTW a quick little story
happen to me many years ago and drove me nuts until I found the problem and
smack myself in the face 10 times:>)

I worked on a machine for over a month and replaced everything you could
think of, nothing worked as it would not power up. One day I notice the
reset button on the front of the machine didn't look right and low and
behold it was stuck inward. The owner of the machine had tried to reset the
machine but did not tell me about it. These are little things one looks over
and can cause you lots of time and headaches.

BTW, most Power Supplies have a fuse, so remove the cover but be very
careful as they hold power for a long time even after they are unplugged.
 
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VanguardLH,

The power supply is an ATX. Thanks for asking, let me know if there
is an
easy way to see if this power supply has gone bad.

Disconnect the ATX power supply from everything except: power cord to
wall outlet and to 1 hard drive (to provide an internal load).
Obviously you need power to test. The load may be needed by some
power supplies which do not power up if they see no load on their
power taps.

Remove the 20-pin header from the power supply to the motherboard (for
an ATX power supply, 24-pin if an ATX-12 style). Short the PS-ON line
to a ground line. The power supply never completely turns off (unless
you yank the power cord). A 5-volt standby line remains up to power
the logic on the motherboard for powering up the power supply. When
you press the Power switch, that switch is not connected to the power
supply. Instead that switch goes to the motherboard where logic will
drop the PS-ON line to ground to tell the power supply to come up
fully. So basically you are replacing that motherboard logic by
shorting PS-ON to ground at the 20-pin connector. PS-ON is the green
wire (pin 14 for the 20-pin connector). The grounds are the black
wires.

When the power cord is connected to the power supply, there is a load
(by the hard drive), if needed, and with PS-ON shorted to ground, you
should see the power supply come on. That is, you will see its fan
start spinning and the hard drive will spin up. If that works, all
you've proven is that the power supply will come on if told to power
up by PS-ON going low. You still need to measure the voltages at each
of the power taps using a voltmeter or multimeter (and this must be
measured under load so you hook it all back up and then check
voltages).

If PS-ON going low made the power supply come on, reconnect the power
supply but under a minimal load. The power supply should only be
connected to: motherboard and 1 hard drive. CD/DVD drives, floppy
drives, and other components shouldn't be powered. Remove all cards
from the slots except the video card. Remove all but 1 stick of
memory. Check if the host powers up. If it does, check voltages on
the power taps that are used. Then power down, connect the next piece
of hardware, and check if you can power up again. Perhaps you have a
part that is drawing too much power (i.e., it has a short) or you
simply have way too many parts that are consuming more power than the
power supply can supply.

Figure on not getting more than two-thirds of the rated wattage from a
cheap power supply. Rather than doing all the above, and if you don't
feel capable, it might be easier and faster to just get another power
supply but expect to pay for a decent one that actually supplies the
wattage that it is rated for.
Also, you ask: ""Also, how is this a Windows XP question?"" Well,
yes there
are other groups such as hardware. The problem is that very few
people post
on these boards and sometimes it takes awhile to get your questions
answered.
So, I am posting the problem here for a quick response. Hope this is
not a
problem for you.

Doesn't matter if a group is busier than the appropriate one(s).
Would you post in a gardening group if it were busy? Off-topic posts
are spam.

I have crossposted my reply (and set FollowUp-To) to the
microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware group so go there to continue the
discussion (after testing the power supply).
 
VanguardLH, now why in the world would I want to continue my discussion with
another group (one that I did not initate by the way) when you have posted
the answer I am looking for??? Where is the logic in this??? BTW, thanks for
the post - very helpful.
 
Ross said:
I am working on a pc that will not power up. Plug everything up to the pc
and
turn it on and nothing - it's dead in the water. My initial guess is that
the
power supply has gone bad. What is the easiest way to check to see if a
power
supply has gone bad? Also, any other suggestions on what to check when a
pc
is dead will be appreciated. Thanks.

Why would you want to test the power supply, based on you've connected
everything to the PC?
 
My guess is that you're not the only one in the world who reads this
newsgroup, and may have a very similar question. Or, maybe, info may help
someone in the future. Oops, forgot, some people have the center of the
universe thing...
 
Well, when you consider the fact that I am a novice, to me it seems the
logical thing to do. I have tested the power supply based on the info
furnished to me by VanguardLH and it is working fine. Now I am trying other
avenues - such as the on/off switch. Why would you ask such a question based
 
Ross said:
I am working on a pc that will not power up. Plug everything up to
the pc and turn it on and nothing - it's dead in the water. My
initial guess is that the power supply has gone bad. What is the
easiest way to check to see if a power supply has gone bad? Also, any
other suggestions on what to check when a pc is dead will be
appreciated. Thanks.

If you can't measure output voltages, look for LEDs inside the case, etc.,
then swap out the power supply. Or, get someone that knows what they're
doing to assist you.
 
Ross said:
VanguardLH, now why in the world would I want to continue my discussion
with
another group (one that I did not initate by the way) when you have posted
the answer I am looking for??? Where is the logic in this??? BTW, thanks
for
the post - very helpful.
Ross
Have you never wondered why there are 'groups'?
But to admit that you intentionaly posted into a wrong group just to get a
quick answer beggars belief.
There are a lot of clever people in these groups who in their own time, read
these posts and help others. The last thing they need are posters like
youself wasting their time opening and reading off topic posts.
The idea of using a correct group is to get as many expert replies as
possible and as quickly as possible.
You were lucky that on this occassion you did not get 'flamed' and or
ignored(which is very likely).
Perhaps the below might be a good read for you

Asking a newsgroup question:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

How Not to Get Help in Newsgroups
http://users.tpg.com.au/bzyhjr/liszt.html

Your attitude in your last remarks could to with edifying IMO.

Antioch
 
Would seem more logical and prudent to disconnect everything to only get a
working PC with a visual display. If the problem doesn't exist under those
conditions, then connect stuff one at time to find the culprit. If the
problem exists with bare PC, then consider the power supply, and the PC
motherboard and whatever exists that remains.

Also, consider amperage use per voltage leg per component if a specific
component cannot be narrowed down to. Total amperage used on one voltage
leg may be exceeded.
 

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