taskbar date

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AIANDAS

Can someone please help me for once deal with this problem?
I have posted here several times and all the suggestions are nowhere close.
Somehow, someway the date on my taskbar changes. Today it decided to jump
two days. Most of the time it's one day.
What is going on?????????? HELP!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Vanguard

AIANDAS said:
Can someone please help me for once deal with this problem?
I have posted here several times and all the suggestions are nowhere
close.
Somehow, someway the date on my taskbar changes. Today it decided to
jump two days. Most of the time it's one day.
What is going on?????????? HELP!!!!!!!!!!


Run msconfig.exe to disable all startup programs, reboot, and then test.

Disable the Windows Time service (run services.msc) to see if the time
changes again as you mention. If not then you might be connecting to a
time server to sync you time and the time server is screwed up.

Are you on a domain or in a workgroup?
 
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Guest

It could be the problem with the battery. it might tequire for you to change
the Battery in the motherboard, This could because the battery does not have
to store the date settings

Reply me if this works
 
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AIANDAS

I am in a standalone PC............. I have just added a bunch of new time
servers and see what happens. So then the glitch is coming from the time
server I had originally fixed my date?
 
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AIANDAS

It's not a laptop
Diva said:
It could be the problem with the battery. it might tequire for you to
change
the Battery in the motherboard, This could because the battery does not
have
to store the date settings

Reply me if this works
 
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Colin Barnhorst

Diva is not talking about the kind of clunky battery that powers a loptop.

All motherboards have a battery (mine is about the size and shape of nickel
or quarter) for maintaining things like the date when the computer is off.
If the battery is running down it can affect your system in small ways, even
when the power is on.
 
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Philippe L. Balmanno

AIANDAS said:
It's not a laptop

Better known as a CMOS battery that saves BIOS settings in CMOS when it
gets old weird things happen to the date and time too. But you don't
need a whole ton of Time Servers either pick one or two closest to your
region.
 
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AIANDAS

Oh brother if it is the battery is it something I can get done or do I need
"expert" hands to charge me $70 or whatever?
How do I test if it is a battery thing?
 
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Colin Barnhorst

It is not an expensive item. In mine I can slide the old one out and slip
the new one. It depends on where it is on the motherboard, but most I have
seen make it fairly easy to do. It goes without saying you should use an
antistatic mat and unplug the power cord. If you don't want to do it
yourself, you may have some luck asking among your more nerdly friends. To
see what we are talking about, go here:

http://www.computerhope.com/help/cmos.htm
 
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Vanguard

AIANDAS said:
I am in a standalone PC............. I have just added a bunch of new
time servers and see what happens. So then the glitch is coming from
the time server I had originally fixed my date?


I had suggested *disabling* the Windows Time service to deliberately
PREVENT it from synchronizing against any time server. Then you are
just running the clock in the system to keep time. If the Windows Time
service is disabled and you experience the time deviation again then the
problems was with the time server. If the Windows Time service is
disabled and the clock still gets out of sync then you are running
something locally that is altering the time and the problem was NOT the
fault of a time server.

This test only would show if the Windows Time service or a 3rd party
time-sync utility that used that NT service was causing the problem. I
suppose there are some time sync utilities that don't use the Windows
Time service so they could still affect your time by doing a sync
without using the Windows Time service. There are also some logins that
will sync the time. If, for example, you are using the Netware login
manager (it shows up instead of the normal Windows login prompt), it has
a feature to connect to a time server (but it only syncs the time when
you login so it syncs once per user session).
 
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Vanguard

AIANDAS said:
Oh brother if it is the battery is it something I can get done or do I
need "expert" hands to charge me $70 or whatever?
How do I test if it is a battery thing?


The CMOS battery costs maybe around $4. You open the case, pop out the
old wafer battery, and slide in the new one (wipe your fingerprints off
the new one before inserting).

However, you weren't clear if the time was changing while your system
was running continuously (i.e., always powered up) or when you cold
booted by powering up and booting into the OS. The CMOS battery retains
BIOS settings while the computer is powered down which includes the
hardware clock. If the CMOS wafer battery is dead, it cannot retain the
time so it is off when you next power up. However, once you have
powered up your computer, it is irrelevant what is the condition of the
wafer battery because the PSU will supply the power to keep the CMOS
copy of the BIOS table alive.

Are you losing time or it is getting off WHILE your computer is
continuously powered on? Or are you losing time when you power cycle
the computer (power it off and sometime later power it back on)?
 
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AIANDAS

OK, the time problem occurs intermittently. It doesn't happen at regular
intervals either.
I have a poweredge server and went to dell's site and the problem just might
be the battery. But the problem I read now, is that the battery is not hot
swappable. I am still waiting to get an answer from them on that.
Does hot swappable mean you cannot replace it on the fly? Or that it cannot
be replaced?
I mean on the fly it would not make sense to do that, while the machine is
on. So.............
 
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AIANDAS

I just looked up some link that posted in here, and according to it the
battery is supposed to last 10 years!!!!!!!!!!
I've had this machine barely over a year! I am beginning to think we're
barking up the wrong tree on this one since my usage is not heavy duty as
this machine is not on 24x7.
 
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Colin Barnhorst

You're correct, the battery should not be the problem. But then you didn't
tell us much about your machine. The more you give us to work with the less
we have to guess. Just a few years ago the batteries were rated for three
years and a lot of those machines are still in service.

Hot swapping is not something you want to do unless you are adminstering a
server running a fairly critical service. It involves opening the computer
and changing out hardware while the computer is still on.
 
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DJ Borell

Ok, I've been following this post and there's only one item left that I
haven't seen mentioned --

Do you have your system plugged into a UPS? I saw one system (only one in
the course of numerous years) that had this same problem. It wasn't the
time server, it didn't have a virus, the motherboard battery was good, and I
couldn't figure it out.

As it turned out, the batteries in the UPS had gone bad and were
intermittently supplying the incorrect voltage Hz to the power supply. It
wasn't enough to cause errors or shutdowns, but it was enough to cause the
clock to not keep time, especially during a power-off state.

If you're connected to a UPS, unplug the system from the UPS and go right to
the wall outlet (preferably, a surge protector, but if you don't have one,
you're just testing a theory, not permanently going without protection.) If
you still lose / gain time, then that wasn't it. (Or, of course, if you
don't have a UPS.)

Just a thought.
 
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AIANDAS

Thanks for reading the posts. Not I do not have a UPS. I only have a surge
protector, rated whatever joules it is to protect my machine.
 
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DJ Borell

Well, this is perplexing...it's unlikely a surge protector would have
anything to do with it, but it might be worth unplugging it just to be sure.
Just a thought -- do you have any other devices such as a printer, scanner
or other high-wattage device plugged into the same surge protector? I have
seen instances where these devices, particularly older ones, can cause
almost imperceptible "brown-outs" when they power up. This could,
conceivably, cause the same type of scenario as a dying UPS battery.

Assuming that's not the case, all I can say at this point is what I would
do, in this order (sorry if some of this is repetitive). BTW - I do things
in order of ease, not necessarily order of likelihood;

1) Run a complete virus / spyware scan making sure all definitions are up to
date.

2) Load a system monitoring program such as Motherboard Monitor and check
that your power supply is providing the proper voltages. Here's the link:
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

3) Test the power supply with a multimeter (this can get a little
complicated if you aren't sure what you're doing or don't have a power
supply tester, so you might skip this test if the monitor in step 2 doesn't
show anything out of the ordinary).

4) Place a digital clock on the same electrical circuit as your system (make
sure it's one that does not have a battery backup in it.) If the clock
loses / gains time, then your electrical supply is the problem. You'll
probably have to monitor it over the course of a day or two.

5) Check your motherboard manufacturer's website for a BIOS update. (I
place this as number 5 because flashing your BIOS can, at times, be a risky
venture and tends to make some people nervous. It's not as big a deal as it
used to be, but it can, occasionally, cause serious issues.)

6) Replace the motherboard battery (these are inexpensive and fairly easy to
change, so it's not that big a deal. I know you read the post about these
lasting 10 years, and that's, mostly, true. But do you know how long it sat
on a shelf before you got it?)

7) Check each and every program / process / service running on your system
to verify them individually and ensure that they are not causing a time
change. Especially look at services / programs that are not Windows native.

8) Over the course of a week or so, pay close attention to the clock. Each
time you see that it has changed, write down what you were doing / what was
running / anything else significant about the state of your system at the
time you saw the time change. See if you can find a correlation between any
particular event or situation and the time change.

9) Make an image of your hard drive so that you don't lose anything and then
do a clean reinstall of Windows. Do not load anything but Windows and then
monitor the system. If the time remains constant, reload your drivers one
at a time, monitoring the system after each install. After that's done,
move to programs, again one at a time, and continue monitoring. (Yes, this
an extremely time-consuming step, which is why it's last.) If the time
won't stay correct with only Windows installed, you can be pretty assured
that it's a hardware issue.

After that, I'm really out of ideas. If none of that weeds out the problem,
I'd begin to wonder if perhaps your BIOS (the actual CMOS chip, not the
software) is bad. Replacing this chip is possible, but usually not worth
the effort.

I hope any of this helps. Believe me, I certainly understand the
aggravation that something like this can cause.
 
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Sharon F

Can someone please help me for once deal with this problem?
I have posted here several times and all the suggestions are nowhere close.
Somehow, someway the date on my taskbar changes. Today it decided to jump
two days. Most of the time it's one day.
What is going on?????????? HELP!!!!!!!!!!

Not all variations in time are hardware related. Some are caused by
software. Historically, antivirus programs that scan intensively in the
background were a common cause. That's just one example.

There was a recent thread in one of the windowsxp newsgroups (don't
remember which one), where the date on the user's system would bounce back
and forth on a daily basis. The behavior was tracked back to a program that
cleaned up history trails. The program upped the date on the system so that
files would not be "in use." Deleted the files. Then swapped the time/date
back to normal. So that's another example.

One way to test if it's hardware/battery related or software related: If
your time is always correct when the system is powered on, the battery is
fine. If the time change happens after the initial power on and some
uptime, then look to software for an explanation.
 
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Ken Blake

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AIANDAS said:
I just looked up some link that posted in here, and according
to it
the battery is supposed to last 10 years!!!!!!!!!!


Ten years would be extraordinary. Batteries don't normally last
anywhere that long.

I've had this machine barely over a year!


And reagardless of how long they last, that would be the average,
not necessarily what every battery did. Batteries can go bad soon
after you get the computer--even less than one year.

I am beginning to think
we're barking up the wrong tree on this one since my usage is
not
heavy duty as this machine is not on 24x7.


Your usage is irrelevant. As a matter of fact, the battery is
used to maintain the setting only when the computer is *not* on.

However I doubt if it is the battery.Are you saying that the date
jumps *forward* a day or two, and the time remains correct?
That's not at all typical of a failing battery which is more
likely to lose time than gain it.

Also, the most important thing for you to note is when the
problem occurs. If it happens while the computer is powered off,
the battery should be suspected. But if happens while the
computer is running, it can *not* be the battery, since the
battery isn't used while the computer is running,
 
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AIANDAS

Well to the best of my recollection, I notice this happening after I have
powered on again. But it doesn't happen in regular intervals
anyway..............This past instance it decided to jump 2 days ahead. No
the time is not affected that's the weird thing. It changes the date but not
the time.................. So we're thinking that the battery is the suspect
then?
 

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