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[Unknown]

You are far too fearful. Just read these newsgroups. The only ones with
problems are those using
spyware and virus programs. AND, I must add, those that click on everything
and download everything
they see. (Which I do not do)
AND, I must add, I have driven a car for many more than 20 years without a
seat belt.
The only reason I wear one now is because the law says I must or risk a
ticket.
Sooner or later we'll be given a ticket for not using a virus program??
BUT, how you equate a seat belt and running a computer without a virus
program is
certainly a display of your fear.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

You are far too fearful.

I'm not fearful at all. I am prudent, which is another thing entirely.
And prudence is what I recommend to others.

Just read these newsgroups.

I do, almost every day.

The only ones with problems are those using spyware and virus programs.

Since most people, fortunately, do use *anti*-spyware and *anti*-virus
programs, , there aren't many leftover who don't use them. Since the
number of people who don't use those programs is very small, those who
don't use them can't represent more than a small percentage of those
with problems.

However, that's a completely different statement from your statement
that *using* those programs is the cause of their problems. That's
simply nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.

AND, I must add, those that click on everything
and download everything
they see. (Which I do not do)

That's something we agree on. Such practices are terrible, and can
readily cause you problems. Being prudent in what you do is an
important part of being sure you don't get infected. But relying on
that as your only security measure is foolhardy.

AND, I must add, I have driven a car for many more than 20 years without a
seat belt.
The only reason I wear one now is because the law says I must or risk a
ticket.

LOL! I'm not surprised. That seems to mesh very well with your
foolhardy attitude toward security software.

Sooner or later we'll be given a ticket for not using a virus program??
BUT, how you equate a seat belt and running a computer without a virus
program is
certainly a display of your fear.

 

[Unknown]

I'm not fearful at all. I am prudent, which is another thing entirely.
And prudence is what I recommend to others.

You are beyond prudent. Aren't you the one that said you got a virus 10
years ago?
And that it was on a floppy disk?
With all the upgrades from Microsoft, how can I get a virus?
(Easiest way to get malware is to download and install virus and spyware
programs)

I do, almost every day.




Since most people, fortunately, do use *anti*-spyware and *anti*-virus
programs, , there aren't many leftover who don't use them. Since the
number of people who don't use those programs is very small, those who
don't use them can't represent more than a small percentage of those
with problems.

Where do you get this data? In my circle of friends and relatives, not one
uses
anti spyware or anti virus programs. Some have tried only to find they did
nothing but cause problems.
Did you read the recent request of a poster that wanted to know how to
turn off virus programs and firewall when doing auto updates?
Did you respond?

However, that's a completely different statement from your statement
that *using* those programs is the cause of their problems. That's
simply nonsense, as far as I'm concerned.




That's something we agree on. Such practices are terrible, and can
readily cause you problems. Being prudent in what you do is an
important part of being sure you don't get infected. But relying on
that as your only security measure is foolhardy.






LOL! I'm not surprised. That seems to mesh very well with your
foolhardy attitude toward security software.

Fortunately it is not an attitude toward security software. It is a fact.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

You are beyond prudent. Aren't you the one that said you got a virus 10
years ago?
And that it was on a floppy disk?

About ten years ago, I received a floppy disk that a friend gave me.
The floppy was infected with a virus, but I did *not* get infected by
it because my anti-virus program signaled the infection of the floppy
as soon as I put it in the drive.

 

[Memyself]

I have to say I find the conflict between Unknown and Ken interesting, but
confusing as well. It's obvious to me that you both know a lot more about
computers than I do.
So it's hard for me to decide which of you is right when it comes to rather
or not to use any anti-virus and anti-spyware programs.
I do know that McAfee's Event Log told me the "System Guards" allowed a
change to my computer about 6AM, I log on at 9AM to find my files gone, some
strange wallpaper I never saw before and most things all screwed up. I only
just started using McAfee last month and I never had this problem before. For
over a year, I only used the Windows Firewall and had no problems. So, it's
hard to believe that McAfee had nothing to do with the problem.
At any rate, I thank you both very much for all the advice on Back-Up
programs and external drives (Ken, your article was quite helpful).
If Unknown has had no virus and malware problems in all this time, I think
he may have something as regards Norton, McAfee, etc. Indeed, most tech folks
I've spoke to in the last week don't like these 2 at all. Ken's the only one
I know of who doesn't much care for Spybot.
Of course, I realize that all this doesn't neccessarily mean that these
programs are actually causing the problems. They may simply not be doing a
good job of protecting against them.
Thanks for all the feedback on Acronis TrueImage. If there's one thing I've
learned for certain here is that I must do back-ups.

 

[Unknown]

Thank you for the feedback. I personally am very comfortable NOT using virus
programs. If you have ANY uneasy feelings at all, by all means use them.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I have to say I find the conflict between Unknown and Ken interesting, but
confusing as well. It's obvious to me that you both know a lot more about
computers than I do.
So it's hard for me to decide which of you is right when it comes to rather
or not to use any anti-virus and anti-spyware programs.

OK, then here's my recommendation for you. Don't worry about which of
us is right, and whether they are needed. But take the most prudent
course of action and run them. If you choose them wisely, there is
*no* downside to running them, even if they aren't needed. And they
may keep you from getting infected.

You can't go wrong that way.

 

[Unknown]

Ken; that is a ridiculous comment---'there is no downside'.
They cause all kinds of problems particularly when updating or downloading
new applications.
If left scanning (the virus program) they are known for sending duplicate
messages.
And the list goes on.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Ken; that is a ridiculous comment---'there is no downside'.
They cause all kinds of problems particularly when updating or downloading
new applications.
If left scanning (the virus program) they are known for sending duplicate
messages.
And the list goes on.

That's *your* opinion, but one that I completely disagree with.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

That is NOT an opinion. You read these news groups the same as me. Are you
saying all the
problems reported here caused by virus programs are phony?

I'm done with this thread. I've already posted more here than I wanted
to, since it largely duplicates what I wrote to you on the same
subject a while back.

You may believe whatever you want to.