sumif with or

[C Glenn]

I'm trying to do this:

=SUMIF(B5:B12,OR("=D*","=?D*"),D512)

It returns zero each time.

(BTW,
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=D*",D512)
and
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=?D*",D512)
both work just fine and return non zero sums.)

So my question is,
Where do I put the OR, or is there another way to do this?

 

[Guest]

I've tried and never been able to find a better solution than simply using:
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=D*",D512)+SUMIF(B5:B12,"=?D*",D512)

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

 

[Guest]

Aladin,
Excellent. I have never seen that use of the Sumif before where it returns
an array of values.
Alok

 

[C Glenn]

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125. This
doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Glenn,
This does work but you have to enclose them in quotes. {"<100",">250"}
Alok

 

[C Glenn]

I can't get this to work. In every case, the first criteria is applied
and the second is ignored.

Put these numbers in D, starting at D5:

45
123
789
4156
123
456
987
321


Now put these in G, starting at G5:

65
32
8546
123
646
564
6
54

If you put the following in G13:
=SUMIF(D512, {"<900",">100"},G5:G12)
it will return the same result as
=SUMIF(D512, {"<900"},G5:G12).

The result of the first formula should be 65 less than the second.

 

[C Glenn]

OK, wait a minute. I did say OR originally; so, let me rephrase.
Instead of "The result of the first formula should be 65 less than the
second", how about "wouldn't it be swell if we could implement this with
a logical AND so that the result of the..."

 

[Domenic]

Try...

=SUMPRODUCT(--(D512>100),--(D512<900),G5:G12)

and

=SUMIF(D512,"<900",G5:G12)

Hope this helps!

 

[Guest]

Hi
This is happening because both functions are returning an array. The first
function returns a single element in the array. The second function returns a
two element array. If there is no function that operates on the array of
values returned then Excel tends to use the first value of the array.
If you enclose your Sumif within a Sum function like Aladin had done you
will see that there is a difference. The second function will then return a
number which is interpreted as the Sum of all numbers where D512 is less
than 900 plus some of all numbers where the range D512 is greater than 100.
This is different than the sum of all numbers where D512 is greater than
100 or less than 900 (which is basically all numbers.) In other words the
method shown by Aladin has to be used cautiously - that is only in case of
non-overlapping ranges. In other words this is probably OK

=SUM(SUMIF(D512, {"<100",">900"},G5:G12))

if one intends to find the Sum of all numbers in G5 to G12 where the numbers
in D512 are either smaller than 100 or greater than 900.

Alok

 

[C Glenn]

This is precisely what I was looking for. Years ago this question came
up and I recall now that SUMPRODUCT was the answer; but the
implementation looked different.

I don't understand the syntax. The help text on SUMPRODUCT states that
it is an array multiplication function. I've looked through Google for
a more complete explanation of what it will do and how to use it, but I
haven't found anything comprehensive. Do you know of a source?

Thanks.

 

[Roger Govier]

Hi

Take a look at Bob Phillips discussion document on this at
http://xldynamic.com/source/xld.SUMPRODUCT.html

Regards

Roger Govier

 

[C Glenn]

I've tried this:

=SUM(SUMIF(D512, {">100","<900"}, G5:G12))
but I get the sum of all the numbers >100 (including those >900) and the
sum of all the numbers <900 (including those <100).

Am I misunderstanding something?

 

[Guest]

You are right. This is exactly what I said in my last post.
The formula
=SUM(SUMIF(D512, {">100","<900"}, G5:G12))
translates to
SUMIF(D512, ">100", G5:G12)+SUMIF(D512, "<900", G5:G12))
Alok

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

If you like to have conditions hard-coded into your formulas...

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

would constitute such an example. You are right about the constant array
acting as IN or as a chain of OR's.

Conditions like <250 and >125 that must kold at the same time cannot be
expressed with IN.

Some options are:

[1]

=SUMIF(ConditionRange,">"&125,SumRange)-SUMIF(ConditionRange,">="&250,SumRange)

[2]

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

Since you are inquiring about whether a SumIf formula with an
array-constant which would work with <250 and >125...

If we look at how [1] is built, we can derive:

=SUM(SUMIF(ConditionRange,{">125",">=250"),SumRange)*{1,-1})

which could be useful in some circumstances. A variablized version would be:

=SUMPRODUCT(SUMIF(ConditionRange,X2:Y2,SumRange)*{1,-1})

where X2 literally houses >125 and Y2 >=250. Trying to variablize [2]
the same way would not allow specifying X2:Y2 in the foregoing manner.

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125. This
doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

--

[1] The SumProduct function should implicitly coerce the truth values to
their Excel numeric equivalents.
[2] The lookup functions should have an optional argument for the return
value, defaulting to #N/A in its absence.

 

[C Glenn]

Thank you again. I'm beginning to absorb this.

If you like to have conditions hard-coded into your formulas...

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

would constitute such an example. You are right about the constant array
acting as IN or as a chain of OR's.

Conditions like <250 and >125 that must kold at the same time cannot be
expressed with IN.

Some options are:

[1]

=SUMIF(ConditionRange,">"&125,SumRange)-SUMIF(ConditionRange,">="&250,SumRange)


[2]

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

Since you are inquiring about whether a SumIf formula with an
array-constant which would work with <250 and >125...

If we look at how [1] is built, we can derive:

=SUM(SUMIF(ConditionRange,{">125",">=250"),SumRange)*{1,-1})

which could be useful in some circumstances. A variablized version would
be:

=SUMPRODUCT(SUMIF(ConditionRange,X2:Y2,SumRange)*{1,-1})

where X2 literally houses >125 and Y2 >=250. Trying to variablize [2]
the same way would not allow specifying X2:Y2 in the foregoing manner.

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125.
This doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

 

[C Glenn]

Thanks.

You are right. This is exactly what I said in my last post.
The formula
=SUM(SUMIF(D512, {">100","<900"}, G5:G12))
translates to
SUMIF(D512, ">100", G5:G12)+SUMIF(D512, "<900", G5:G12))
Alok


:

 

[C Glenn]

Hey, one more question in this regard. Suppose I wanted to count the
number of cells in the same rows as those that match the specified
criteria (instead of adding them), could I do that? (I need to.)

I tried =COUNT(SUMPRODUCT(... but that returned 1.

I also tried =COUNTIF(... but I can't get it to respect more than one
criteria.
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*", "A*"})
returned the same result as
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*"})

Any ideas on this?

If you like to have conditions hard-coded into your formulas...

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

would constitute such an example. You are right about the constant array
acting as IN or as a chain of OR's.

Conditions like <250 and >125 that must kold at the same time cannot be
expressed with IN.

Some options are:

[1]

=SUMIF(ConditionRange,">"&125,SumRange)-SUMIF(ConditionRange,">="&250,SumRange)


[2]

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

Since you are inquiring about whether a SumIf formula with an
array-constant which would work with <250 and >125...

If we look at how [1] is built, we can derive:

=SUM(SUMIF(ConditionRange,{">125",">=250"),SumRange)*{1,-1})

which could be useful in some circumstances. A variablized version would
be:

=SUMPRODUCT(SUMIF(ConditionRange,X2:Y2,SumRange)*{1,-1})

where X2 literally houses >125 and Y2 >=250. Trying to variablize [2]
the same way would not allow specifying X2:Y2 in the foregoing manner.

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125.
This doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

 

[Tom Ogilvy]

in this formula
=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

leave of the argument SumRange and you will get the count

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250))

--
Regards,
Tom Ogilvy

Hey, one more question in this regard. Suppose I wanted to count the
number of cells in the same rows as those that match the specified
criteria (instead of adding them), could I do that? (I need to.)

I tried =COUNT(SUMPRODUCT(... but that returned 1.

I also tried =COUNTIF(... but I can't get it to respect more than one
criteria.
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*", "A*"})
returned the same result as
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*"})

Any ideas on this?

If you like to have conditions hard-coded into your formulas...

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

would constitute such an example. You are right about the constant array
acting as IN or as a chain of OR's.

Conditions like <250 and >125 that must kold at the same time cannot be
expressed with IN.

Some options are:

[1]

=SUMIF(ConditionRange,">"&125,SumRange)-SUMIF(ConditionRange,">="&250,SumRan
ge)

[2]

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

Since you are inquiring about whether a SumIf formula with an
array-constant which would work with <250 and >125...

If we look at how [1] is built, we can derive:

=SUM(SUMIF(ConditionRange,{">125",">=250"),SumRange)*{1,-1})

which could be useful in some circumstances. A variablized version would
be:

=SUMPRODUCT(SUMIF(ConditionRange,X2:Y2,SumRange)*{1,-1})

where X2 literally houses >125 and Y2 >=250. Trying to variablize [2]
the same way would not allow specifying X2:Y2 in the foregoing manner.

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125.
This doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

Aladin Akyurek wrote:

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

C Glenn wrote:

I'm trying to do this:

=SUMIF(B5:B12,OR("=D*","=?D*"),D512)

It returns zero each time.

(BTW,
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=D*",D512)
and
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=?D*",D512)
both work just fine and return non zero sums.)

So my question is,
Where do I put the OR, or is there another way to do this?

 

[Aladin Akyurek]

1.

=SUM(COUNTIF(B5:B12,{"D*", "A*"}))

And: With E2 housing the D condition and F2 the A condition...

2.

=SUMPRODUCT(COUNTIF(B5:B12,E2:F2&"*"))

3.

=SUMPRODUCT(--ISNUMBER(MATCH(LEFT(B5:B12),E2:F2,0)))

Hey, one more question in this regard. Suppose I wanted to count the
number of cells in the same rows as those that match the specified
criteria (instead of adding them), could I do that? (I need to.)

I tried =COUNT(SUMPRODUCT(... but that returned 1.

I also tried =COUNTIF(... but I can't get it to respect more than one
criteria.
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*", "A*"})
returned the same result as
=COUNTIF(B5:B12, {"D*"})

Any ideas on this?

If you like to have conditions hard-coded into your formulas...

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

would constitute such an example. You are right about the constant
array acting as IN or as a chain of OR's.

Conditions like <250 and >125 that must kold at the same time cannot
be expressed with IN.

Some options are:

[1]

=SUMIF(ConditionRange,">"&125,SumRange)-SUMIF(ConditionRange,">="&250,SumRange)


[2]

=SUMPRODUCT(--(ConditionRange>125),--(ConditionRange<250),SumRange)

Since you are inquiring about whether a SumIf formula with an
array-constant which would work with <250 and >125...

If we look at how [1] is built, we can derive:

=SUM(SUMIF(ConditionRange,{">125",">=250"),SumRange)*{1,-1})

which could be useful in some circumstances. A variablized version
would be:

=SUMPRODUCT(SUMIF(ConditionRange,X2:Y2,SumRange)*{1,-1})

where X2 literally houses >125 and Y2 >=250. Trying to variablize [2]
the same way would not allow specifying X2:Y2 in the foregoing manner.

Somewhat like an implicit OR but it's actually an implicity IN! I'm
wondering if there are any other possibilities, i.e.: <250, >125.
This doesn't work with the curlies.

Thanks.

Aladin Akyurek wrote:

=SUM(SUMIF(B5:B12,{"D*","?D*"},D512))

C Glenn wrote:

I'm trying to do this:

=SUMIF(B5:B12,OR("=D*","=?D*"),D512)

It returns zero each time.

(BTW,
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=D*",D512)
and
=SUMIF(B5:B12,"=?D*",D512)
both work just fine and return non zero sums.)

So my question is,
Where do I put the OR, or is there another way to do this?

--

[1] The SumProduct function should implicitly coerce the truth values to
their Excel numeric equivalents.
[2] The lookup functions should have an optional argument for the return
value, defaulting to #N/A in its absence.