Stolen machine, who owns software?

Y

YorS

Last nite we had a break in and a few computers were taken.
We still have the CDs for the OS (XP) as well as Office XP. I am wondering
can I install these on to another machine. As we are the people who bought
and own the software.
What are the legal questions?
Can anyone help me?

Thanks for your Time.
Remove the kNOT to reply.
But it is best to share it with the group.
 
K

kurttrail

YorS said:
Last nite we had a break in and a few computers were taken.
We still have the CDs for the OS (XP) as well as Office XP. I am
wondering can I install these on to another machine. As we are the
people who bought and own the software.
What are the legal questions?
Can anyone help me?

Thanks for your Time.
Remove the kNOT to reply.
But it is best to share it with the group.

If the software come with the machines from an OEM, then thanks to
Microsoft's "briliant" licensing scheme, you don't have rights to the
software you legally purchased. Those rights went right out the door
with the computers.

Microsoft is scum, as it makes money off of the theft of others! The
price of piracy is included with every piece of software, then MS gets
people to buy software unneccessarily through deliberately misleading
wording in its Product Activation nonsense, and then it makes more money
off victims of theft like you!

So thanks to the GREED of MS you don't have the right to the software,
the people that robbed you do!

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R

R. C. White

Hi, YorS.

I am not a lawyer and I do not speak for Microsoft, but...

The official word is at http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx and
at:
How to replace lost, broken, or missing Microsoft software or hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;326246

My understanding is that it depends on whether your stolen software was
pre-installed on your computer by the OEM, or if you installed it from
retail CD-ROMs.

If WinXP was pre-installed on that computer (or if it was installed from a
generic OEM WinXP CD-ROM that you purchased), that copy of WinXP is locked
forever to that machine. The thief took your WinXP license, along with the
hardware.

If you still have the retail WinXP CD-ROM - and the Product Key - then you
can install it onto your new computer. If it has been more than 120 days
since it was previously activated, it should re-activate over the Internet.
If it doesn't, then you will see an 800 phone number that you can call and
explain the situation and be reacivated in 5 minutes.

I'm not sure about the Office XP, but the rules are probably quite similar.
Again, it partly depends on whether Office was pre-installed by the OEM or
you installed it from retail CDs.

RC
 
B

Bruce Chambers

YorS said:
Last nite we had a break in and a few computers were taken.
We still have the CDs for the OS (XP) as well as Office XP. I am wondering
can I install these on to another machine. As we are the people who bought
and own the software.
What are the legal questions?
Can anyone help me?

Thanks for your Time.
Remove the kNOT to reply.
But it is best to share it with the group.


What type of software licenses did you have installed on each computer?
If a retail or a Volume License, then the licenses still belong to
you. If OEM, the licenses were stolen along with the PCs.


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both at once. - RAH
 
H

HeyBub

kurttrail said:
If the software come with the machines from an OEM, then thanks to
Microsoft's "briliant" licensing scheme, you don't have rights to the
software you legally purchased. Those rights went right out the door
with the computers.

He didn't purchase the software - he purchased a laptop that came with
software installed. He has no interaction with Microsoft and Microsoft has
no duty toward him. If you buy a car with Firestone tires, and someone
steals your car, you don't get a new set of wheels.
Microsoft is scum, as it makes money off of the theft of others! The
price of piracy is included with every piece of software, then MS gets
people to buy software unneccessarily through deliberately misleading
wording in its Product Activation nonsense, and then it makes more
money off victims of theft like you!

If I, as a plastic surgeon, made your ugly kid look respectable, then
someone kidnapped him, I am under no obligation to fix another of your
offspring (no matter how necessary).
So thanks to the GREED of MS you don't have the right to the software,
the people that robbed you do!

Greed is good.
 
G

GO

HeyBub said:
He didn't purchase the software - he purchased a laptop that came with
software installed. He has no interaction with Microsoft and Microsoft has
no duty toward him. If you buy a car with Firestone tires, and someone
steals your car, you don't get a new set of wheels.


If I, as a plastic surgeon, made your ugly kid look respectable, then
someone kidnapped him, I am under no obligation to fix another of your
offspring (no matter how necessary).


Greed is good.

Your analogies are completely ridiculous and make no sense in the context
what's at issue here. Yes, MS has their silly fine print that makes you SOL
if you have OEM software and the computer gets stolen. But myself and many
others don't agree with it. If you buy a computer with OEM software
(installed or not) you are still paying for the software and the license to
use it. How is that different than going to the store and buying a boxed
copy of the same software?
 
K

kurttrail

HeyBub said:
He didn't purchase the software - he purchased a laptop that came with
software installed. He has no interaction with Microsoft and
Microsoft has no duty toward him. If you buy a car with Firestone
tires, and someone steals your car, you don't get a new set of wheels.

They didn't sell the copies of software that was sold to them. It is
still on the CDs. And with at least Office they have the PKs too.

So you bullsh*t analogy, is just that, BULLSH*T!
If I, as a plastic surgeon, made your ugly kid look respectable, then
someone kidnapped him, I am under no obligation to fix another of your
offspring (no matter how necessary).

LOL! No one is asking MS for anything, you dumb schmuck. They have the
install CDs, the ONLY thing stopping them from using it is MS's bogus
OEM rules tying the software to the stolen computers.
Greed is good.

Don't you mean, Greed is your God?! Obviously you respect the unbridled
greed of MS more than victims of an actual crime!

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K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
What type of software licenses did you have installed on each
computer? If a retail or a Volume License, then the licenses still
belong to you. If OEM, the licenses were stolen along with the PCs.

And that is just plain immoral, when it OEM software, since they still
have the software in their possession. It is like they are being
victimized a second time, but this time by MS's BS rules!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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G

Guest

Funny thig happened on the way to this dance-----Some time ago, I re-booted a
computer on the same computer as it was originally installed on but after I
had added 512MB more of RAM. When I re-booted, I got the old re-activate
screen and when I tried activating it again via the internet it wouldn't
work. Then I had to use the 800 number and call MS. Well, when they tried
several times to give me a different set of numbers and that didn't work
after several times I was transferred to their "OEM" department and was told
I had to pay $35 to get it re-activated because it was an OEM copy. Well, I
paid them and got it re-activated but later called them and after telling
them the whole story I was re-bated my $35. Now that's what I call a bunch of
crap !!!

I have posted another question on this group in regards to adding a new
larger hard drive and pointed out that I didn't want to go through all the
crap again.

My position is this: Just because I purchased an OEM copy of their Win XP,
it should be just as good as far as re-activation as one of the retail
software packages, which incidentally cost a whole lot more !! I absolutely
agree that piracy is a big thing but there ought to be a better way of
proving you are the owner and have it only on one computer, rather than
having all this trouble re-activating just because you want to add some
additional hardware.....Tha's crap and I would think that a few bright headed
MS gurus could come up with a better system !!! Off my soap box now.

Insidently, I say call MS on the stolen computers and tell them the whole
story and give them proof that you still have the original system CD's and I
think they will probably let you re-install them on another computer. And the
thief that took the computer (s) is a bas*#rd.

Cheers
Redwagon...
 
R

Richard Urban

The OEM software, may in fact, be quite different from that contained on the
retail CD. The OEM is not bound to deliver everything that is included with
the retail version. In many cases they don't.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
G

GO

Richard Urban said:
The OEM software, may in fact, be quite different from that contained on the
retail CD. The OEM is not bound to deliver everything that is included with
the retail version. In many cases they don't.

You're taking me too literally. I'm not talking about if the OS is
different or not. Regardless if it's the boxed version or an OEM version
you are still paying for a piece of software. And if you buy a new
computer (because your old one was stolen) you should be allowed to install
it.
 
1

1badtech

YorS said:
Last nite we had a break in and a few computers were taken.
We still have the CDs for the OS (XP) as well as Office XP. I am
wondering
can I install these on to another machine. As we are the people who
bought
and own the software.
What are the legal questions?
Can anyone help me?

Thanks for your Time.
Remove the kNOT to reply.
But it is best to share it with the group.

Like everybody said. A Microsoft OEM installed software belongs to
the computer it was originally installed in. I had an issue about the
OS that came up when I donated an older computer and wiped out the
hard drive. I called Microsoft and they told me that I will have to
reinstall the OS on the same computer before I donate it and that I
couldn’t use it on another computer.
 
K

Kerry Brown

kurttrail said:
If the software come with the machines from an OEM, then thanks to
Microsoft's "briliant" licensing scheme, you don't have rights to the
software you legally purchased. Those rights went right out the door with
the computers.

Microsoft is scum, as it makes money off of the theft of others! The
price of piracy is included with every piece of software, then MS gets
people to buy software unneccessarily through deliberately misleading
wording in its Product Activation nonsense, and then it makes more money
off victims of theft like you!

So thanks to the GREED of MS you don't have the right to the software, the
people that robbed you do!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Was at a Microsoft Partner briefing yesterday. I finally heard an
explanation of why the OEM licence isn't valid on any machine other than the
one it is initially installed on. They said that the supplier of the OEM
software is bound by their licence to support the software. OEMs agree to it
when they crack the seal (which has the OEM EULA on it) of the box.
Microsoft does not expect them to support it on a platform they didn't
build. Make of it what you will but as an OEM I can understand it. I won't
give free support if it's installed on something I didn't sell. I wouldn't
be upset if a customer in this situation installed it on another machine but
I would be upset if they expected free support on the new machine.
Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't agree with me and ultimately they have a
bigger stick.

Kerry
 
K

kurttrail

Kerry said:
Was at a Microsoft Partner briefing yesterday. I finally heard an
explanation of why the OEM licence isn't valid on any machine other
than the one it is initially installed on. They said that the
supplier of the OEM software is bound by their licence to support the
software. OEMs agree to it when they crack the seal (which has the
OEM EULA on it) of the box. Microsoft does not expect them to support
it on a platform they didn't build. Make of it what you will but as
an OEM I can understand it. I won't give free support if it's
installed on something I didn't sell. I wouldn't be upset if a
customer in this situation installed it on another machine but I
would be upset if they expected free support on the new machine.
Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't agree with me and ultimately they
have a bigger stick.
Kerry

Don't know about you, but the major OEMs I've had to deal with, barely
supported the OEM software on the computers that it was sold with.

MS should just say in its EULA that installation on another computer
will not be supported. Hell, even with their retail software, MS's tech
support is not worth all the extra cash MS charges for it.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
K

kurttrail

REDWAGON said:
Funny thig happened on the way to this dance-----Some time ago, I
re-booted a computer on the same computer as it was originally
installed on but after I had added 512MB more of RAM. When I
re-booted, I got the old re-activate screen and when I tried
activating it again via the internet it wouldn't work. Then I had to
use the 800 number and call MS. Well, when they tried several times
to give me a different set of numbers and that didn't work after
several times I was transferred to their "OEM" department and was
told I had to pay $35 to get it re-activated because it was an OEM
copy. Well, I paid them and got it re-activated but later called them
and after telling them the whole story I was re-bated my $35. Now
that's what I call a bunch of crap !!!

I have posted another question on this group in regards to adding a
new larger hard drive and pointed out that I didn't want to go
through all the crap again.

My position is this: Just because I purchased an OEM copy of their
Win XP, it should be just as good as far as re-activation as one of
the retail software packages, which incidentally cost a whole lot
more !! I absolutely agree that piracy is a big thing but there ought
to be a better way of proving you are the owner and have it only on
one computer, rather than having all this trouble re-activating just
because you want to add some additional hardware.....Tha's crap and I
would think that a few bright headed MS gurus could come up with a
better system !!! Off my soap box now.

Insidently, I say call MS on the stolen computers and tell them the
whole story and give them proof that you still have the original
system CD's and I think they will probably let you re-install them on
another computer. And the thief that took the computer (s) is a
bas*#rd.

Actually, in the western world, the piracy rate is much lower today than
in 1994, and that is by the BSA's own numbers, which it gets from its
member companies like Symantec & Microsoft.

Piracy will always happen, just like cars will always be stolen.
Software piracy is included in the price of software. MS wouldn't have
all the money it has if it didn't. But the paying customer pays more
than once for piracy. Along with the additional cost of software, they
also have to pay in their time spent activating, and then the unlucky
ones pay a third time when the have PA problems that lock them out of
their computer, and it happens a lot more often than MS is willing to
admit.

People are already having problems with WGA, and that is still voluntary
for the moment. But all this Anti-Piracy crap is unnecessary, since it
really doesn't reduce piracy, as that was happening long before PA was
introduced. If anything the piracy rate has flattened out since the
introduction of copy-protection in mainstream consumer software. And
all copy-protection does is add additional layers of basically useless
code that can and will screw up for the paying customer.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

If the software was retail and you have the CDs, Product Keys etc, the
software is yours.
If the software was OEM, it was stolen with the computer whether you have
the CDs, keys or not.
Simply include the software on the insurance claim.
If the software was included with the computer system, the software is part
of the total cost anyways.
 
L

LAD

That CD may not work with another machine because it was arranged to work
only with the machine with which it came & was stolen.

Salutations
 
R

Richard Urban

MS should just say in its EULA that installation on another computer
will not be supported. Hell, even with their retail software, MS's tech
support is not worth all the extra cash MS charges for it.

***************************

I have to agree with you here! The last time I remember getting good tech
support (on anything) was when I was using OS2 (IBM).

Now there was an operating system. I still play with it using VirtualPC. I
sure wish they had gone to 32 bit processing!




--
Regards,

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
M

Michael Stevens

In kurttrail <[email protected]> never respectfully
replies ;-)
LOL! No one is asking MS for anything, you dumb schmuck. They have
the install CDs, the ONLY thing stopping them from using it is MS's
bogus OEM rules tying the software to the stolen computers.

ROTFLMAO, You have to admit this one was a good one. No matter if it applies
or not.
--
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(e-mail address removed)
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
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K

kurttrail

Michael said:
In kurttrail <[email protected]> never
respectfully replies ;-)


ROTFLMAO, You have to admit this one was a good one. No matter if it
applies or not.

Yeah, HeyBub gets an A for creativity, but an F for being on point.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 

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