Yeah well if you can't dazzle them with your applications knowledge, I guess "they" are instructed to try and dazzle them with vocabulary... Here is the definition from good ole' merriamwebster.com -
Main Entry: dec·re·ment
Pronunciation: 'de-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin decrementum, from decrescere
1 : a gradual decrease in quality or quantity
2 a : the quantity lost by diminution or waste b : the amount of decrease (as of a variable)
What it means is that Daniel believes we have not (non) experienced a decrease(decrement) in the usefulness of the application. - Guess this problem will be filed under "maybe they won't notice".
Yes Steve you are right... nothing to do with the hyperlink I entered. I tested it by entering the correct path of
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in the properties. It doesn't matter if you enter http:\\
www.acalanes.k12.ca.us... it still shows the C local or H network path as the file name when you go to publish it. You cannot change it even to just the simple filename.htm.
So any entry in the hyperlink base results in the local or network path being used. This is totally different from the way it used to be handled in older versions of the applications.
Currently, with all MS Office applications upon Save as Web Page, the entry of a hyperlink base is converted to the <base href> HTML tag.... Here is the example from my original .ppt with hyperlink base entry of
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the .ppt has by converted by Save As Web Page:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<link rel=Original-File
href="file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">
<meta name=ProgId content=PowerPoint.Slide>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft PowerPoint 10">
<base href="
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/">
<link id=Main-File rel=Main-File
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\PowerPointWebPagePreview\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">
Here is an example from a Word doc with hyperlink base entry of
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the Word .doc has by converted by Save As Web Page:
<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns
="urn:schemas-microsoft-com
ffice
ffice"
xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com
ffice:word"
xmlns="
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<base href="
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us">
<link rel=File-List
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\MSE\Testword\Testword_files\filelist.xml">
As you can see the hyperlink base in both the .ppt and .doc properties converted to the <base href> tag in the .htm.
However, the link rel=File-List href converted showing my local C drive path.
So it would appear that this is also problem in Word and probably many of the other apps now. I haven't noticed it because if I use a Word doc to HTML conversion I never use the resulting xml folder only the .htm file itself. I don't need the folder as all of my graphics are entered as as absolute links to the files in my graphics folder on the web server. Sorry I just like to keep things loading fast and consistent in even older browser versions.
From:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html
The The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) defines the base href tag as
In HTML, links and references to external images, applets, form-processing programs, style sheets, etc. are always specified by a URI. Relative URIs are resolved according to a base URI, which may come from a variety of sources. The BASE element allows authors to specify a document's base URI explicitly.
When present, the BASE element must appear in the HEAD section of an HTML document, before any element that refers to an external source. The path information specified by the BASE element only affects URIs in the document where the element appears.
For example, given the following BASE declaration and A declaration:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Our Products</TITLE>
<BASE href="
http://www.aviary.com/products/intro.html">
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<P>Have you seen our <A href="../cages/birds.gif">Bird Cages</A>?
</BODY>
</HTML>
the relative URI "../cages/birds.gif" would resolve to:
http://www.aviary.com/cages/birds.gif
So it would seem that a field needs to be added to Properties. In addition to Hyperlink base there needs to be a File List base to allow both to be converted correct path http:// path.
Obviously I could have fixed this a long time ago just by editing the HTML and correcting the path but, why should I have to?
Somehow I just don't think Daniel and his peers understand the K.I.S.S principal...
I suggest MS should just add a good description it to the Knowledge Base, fix the code and add it to the next Office Update.
Okay, we will see what tomorrow brings....
Thanks,
Webmaster
Steve Rindsberg said:
Hi,
Since you found the resolution to your issue, I will mark your case as non
decrement.
So ... what do you figure "non decrement" means? Give it to me in any tongue commonly
spoken on the planet where most of us live; I'll work it out from there. ;-)
In any case, what PPT is doing with your links has nothing to do with the hyperlink
base supplied, correct?
That is ... if you plug in a hyperlink base of http:\\
www.somedomain.com\ you'd
expect all links to be relative to that. Instead, they're all hardwired to the folder
where you saved the presentation. And when I was testing your original file, they
stayed hardwired to *your* original H:drive, regardless of where I saved the pres.
here. That seems to have been a related but different bug.
There was my response-
"Not so fast Daniel - Please pass this to the Web side of the house so they can
explain to you what a hyperlink base should do-
This "tag" appears in all MS Office apps that allow HTML conversion and is supposed
to control the URL paths as explained in:
http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052540501033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062528411033 - this explaination was for Excel but applies to all MS Office
applications.
http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP051900411033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH063563831033 - and-
http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052691581033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062526221033
And last but not least:
http://www.ku.edu/acs/documentation/docs/powerpoint_97_intermediate.pdf
see page 3 and I quote:
"Create a relative link - When you create a hyperlink, you set the path to its destination as
an absolute link (a fixed file location) that identifies the destination
by its full address, such as c:\My Documents\showtime.xls. You
can also set the path as a relative link. Set the path as a relative link
if you plan on moving your files to various computers.
To change the path of a relative link, set a hyperlink base for the
presentation:
1. Open the presentation for which you want to set a hyperlink
base.
2. On the File menu, click Properties, and then click the Summary
tab.
3. In the Hyperlink base box, type the path of the relative location
you want to use for all hyperlinks you create in this
presentation.
Link examples Below are examples of links:
The path can be an Internet URL:
http://www.ukans.edu
The path can be folder on a hard drive: c:\documents
The path can be a path to a folder on a local area network:
\\cc_labs\folder one\subfolder"
Sorry to be blunt but, is the lack of ability to be able to enter a valid Internet
URL of
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us or
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget or even a
relative path of /budget classified as an undocumented enhancement that was added to
PowerPoint 2002 or? If this is a new enhancement then you please give us a link to
the Knowledge base where it is DOCUMENTED? Also can you please give us a link to the
Knowledge Base where it is Documented that Word, Excel, Access, Publisher, FrontPage
have all been updated so that they all work consistently to follow this "new" design.
No offense, but could you please have someone that is a savvy Web Developer contact
me. I am posting this entire response to the discussion Group at:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.power
point&mid=08c31daa-43e7-462c-9c72-db3d3dce6dbe
FYI - I have been a Webmaster since before 1997. Let me assure you that converting
PowerPoint presentations to HTML and posting them to websites is something that I have
been able to successly perform multiple times during the past seven years.
Looking forward to a satisfactory resolution.
Thanks for your help."
**************************************
Wonder if I'll get another response of if this really has been " non decremented" ?!?!
I will let you all know-
Thanks, Webmaster
Steve Rindsberg said:
Hiya,
That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's working for you
too! Thanks for posting back about it.
All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found that
Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to
either "relative" or absolute
http://... but instead would only convert them to a C
local drive or H Network drive path.
Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web Page - but
this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame
src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was saved to my C
local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!
So now I added hyperlink base of
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to properties
of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does not work-
Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>
So now I changed hyperlink base to
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in properties of
the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....
Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie:
<frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>
Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive, the
second to my Network H drive. Same results.
So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in
properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion
attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!
So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your
.ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...
I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!
Hi ...
Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) - As soon as
it does,
I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of
hours, try
sending again.
