SP3 will not install?

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On 9/8/11 8:44 AM, BillW50 wrote:

Well Fubar stated: "Microsoft recommends against needlessly partitioning
drives that have an NTFS volume, doing so generally slows access and
results in horrible space management issues. Backups should always be
done to another physical drive, preferably external."

I think the keyword in the phrase is "needlessly". If you have a 1 TB
drive, there's no good purpose in having 15 partitions, IMO. LOL

The backups statement is correct, an external drive is best, I've got a
1TB on this Mac with Time Machine automatically backing up most of my
Mac. What I've gleaned over the years is, ideally 2 external HD's for
backup is even better. Basically, you are attempting to protect your
backup system from physical failure of a hard drive. With 2 backup
drives, if one backup HD goes south, you still have a useable set of
data on the other.

If you have more than one computer with large drives, you could network
them and use other computer hard drives as your back up locations. For
most people, that option doesn't make any practical sense to me.

It all depends on what your storage needs are, read on below.

Boy, I wish I had known about that! I have and use the free version.
I sure would like to learn more about what Fubar is talking about. As
there is probably some measure of truth in their statement.

Back in the days when HD's were expensive and small, storage space was
at a premium, you did whatever you could to maximize that space.
I have used partitions in the past, but I always hated them for decades.
And whatever somebody else can do with partitions, I can do the same
with one partition. So I don't see the point of having them in most
cases. Obviously some OS and hardware can limit you how large a
partition can be. So in these cases you are stuck with two or more
partitions.

It's the older OS's that will limit you. And even current OS's have
limits, most people will never bump up against that, IMO.

The biggest advantage, IMO, in having a minimum of 2 partitions is in
the fight against viruses, OS corruption (for whatever reason), and data
safety/integrity.

Viruses and such generally attack the OS and program files, usually they
leave your data alone. When you are infected, or something else goes
haywire with the OS and software, when you have one partition the first
step is to sort out your data and get it somewhere else. (But, can you
really be sure your data is also not corrupted in some way?) But, if
you've been saving your data to another partition, or even an external
drive, that step is already done! How much time have you just saved?

And since you've separated the OS and programs from the data, now you
only have to repair the boot partition (usually C:/) by whatever method
you choose.

Everyone's storage needs are unique, you have to figure those needs and
how you want to access your files/projects when partitioning your drive.

To keep it simple, if your normal use creates smaller files, i.e. few
photos and videos, you don't need a large partition for that. Create a
small partition and format it to a smaller sector size. If you have
lots of videos and photos, create a large partition and a larger sector
size. This lets you maximize the amount of storage space on the hard
drive. And maybe you won't have to go buy a new drive.

It's similar to moving, you can rent a large van and just put your boxes
in helter skelter, or you carefully pack those boxes into the back of
the van, and end up renting a smaller van saving you money. :-)

Or dualbooting is another, although I have successfully merged two OS on
one partition before. Although I don't think it is worth all of the
hassle to do so in practice. Although I quit using dualbooting as well.
As one OS sometimes screws up another (even in another partition). So I
just swap hard drives which takes a second or two for most laptops
anyway and go this route instead.

I have a dual boot 'puter here. But I always follow MS's advice, I
never ever attempt to put 2 OS's on the same partition, you're just
asking for trouble.

My dual boot machine is XP Pro and Vista Ultimate. I wanted occasional
access to Vista, but not on a regular basis. And buying a second
computer just to have occasional access was, for me, just plain dumb and
dumber! LOL Ergo, I set up a dual boot computer.

An option to dual booting is virtual machine software, although that
also has it's caveats.

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--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 6.0.2
Thunderbird 6.0.2
LibreOffice 3.3.3
 
There are two ways to install. One way, is when the browser prompts for
a plugin.

But there is also a standalone installer you can use. You can
exit the browser, and run the installer.

First, when I test Flash with this page, it'll tell me the most
recent version.

http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

You have version 10,3,181,34 installed

Windows Internet Explorer... 10.3.183.7

So that tells me I'm currently behind, and I'd be looking for 183.7

If I go to this page and scroll down

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/142/tn_14266.html

(Released 8/24/2011) Flash Player 10.3.183.7 (70.6 MB)

That would be the file I want. I right click that and Save As.

fp_10.3.183.7_archive.zip

and that is downloading right now.

Next, I unzip that. Look in

10_3r183_7/flashplayer10_3r183_7_win.exe 3,088,032 bytes (Firefox)
10_3r183_7/flashplayer10_3r183_7_winax.exe 3,127,456 bytes (Internet Explorer)

This file, is the standalone player (that never seems to do anything for me).

10_3r183_7/flashplayer10_3r183_7_win_sa.exe 5,792,928 bytes (Movie player)

So with those two 3MB files in hand, you can take those with
you on your next visit to your friend.

Sometimes those work, when the Internet one doesn't. Since there
is one for each browser, you can even control which browser
has Flash in it.

Very good.
I use two browsers, but only load Flash
into one browser. That way, I don't watch pesky adverts all
the time - if a page needs Flash content, I switch to the
other browser and view the Flash there.

That sounds great. Not for my friend but for me.
 
That's exactly how I do it, except for the TV! LOL I take the entire
system, printer, monitor, et. al., home with me, and make sure
everything works. And then tweak things they tell me they don't use
regularly. No one has been unhappy yet, and I even get comments that it
runs faster than it ever did.


Now I think I understand, you're on the periphery, just trying to lend
minimal support. Right?

Yes that's it.
If I ended fixing that computer, I'd make sure she understood she's to
leave you alone, and you'll have it fixed when it's fixed. And you
never know, it could take a long time. I'm enmeshed with a computer
here I'm doing a complete reinstall of XP Home on, and every time I
install KB2393802 you cannot shut the computer down with the mouse.
This even has MS's official support section stumped at the moment.

Jan Alter is 100% correct, IMO, as to the benefits of a complete reinstall.

Okay, noted.

I just talked to her btw. It's 2 days after the hardware tech came.
She spent 2 hours on the phone with Verizion this morning, and he
fixed it. Some setting with a long number had to be changed from
roughly nnn.nn.nnn.2.1 to the same thing ending in 1.1. I can't
imagine what that is. (She has a French accent so also, sometimes
I can't understand her. )

He also was able, remotely, to install the latest version of
FlashPlayer, so this means her new Printer/Fax machine should be able
to Fax.

He wanted to install Verizon Agent, which he said would help her get
help 24 hours a day, but said he couldn't install it because she
didn't have enough memory. That reminded me of another problem we
hadn't discussed for 6 months or so -- We'd only discussed it once,
that her son installed more memory but System Properties shows her
only having 1 gig. Why is one gig not enough to install Verizon
Agent??

Anyhow, even though I had just explained over the phone how to get her
quick launch bar back, she still said "Don't trouch my cmputer. I'll
have my son fix the memory!!" But i'm still invited for dinner next
month.
 
micky said:
That reminded me of another problem we
hadn't discussed for 6 months or so -- We'd only discussed it once,
that her son installed more memory but System Properties shows her
only having 1 gig. Why is one gig not enough to install Verizon
Agent??

Anyhow, even though I had just explained over the phone how to get her
quick launch bar back, she still said "Don't trouch my cmputer. I'll
have my son fix the memory!!" But i'm still invited for dinner next
month.

It's possible, in boot.ini, to restrict the amount of memory a system will use.
Which would be one reason for a computer to ignore some RAM. But then,
you'd need someone monkeying with the system, to end up that way. It
isn't a normal thing for that to happen. You use a technique like that
(restricting usable RAM) if attempting to run Windows 98 (dual boot)
on a modern computer, as it only likes 512MB of memory as a comfortable max.

(See "/MAXMEM")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTLDR

*******

You could try memtest86+. The downloads are half way down the
page. Once the test media (CD, floppy, USB stick) is prepared,
you boot the computer with that test program. The boot order in
the BIOS must be set, so that say, a freshly minted boot CD
will get picked up as the first boot choice.

(Downloads are half way down the page...)

http://www.memtest.org/

In this sample screenshot, you can see memtest86+ running.
The system has 4096MB minus a bit of reserved memory, which
is why it shows "4094M". Memtest is now capable of handling more
memory than that, and when I had 6GB installed for a short time
in my current computer, I gave the program a try. It works
fine with large memory, and tests the memory a few gigabytes
at a time.

http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/12/65/59/50/memtes10.jpg

The "e820-Std" is a reference to some BIOS standard for
passing memory map information. The BIOS will claim certain
small areas of RAM for itself, and deny those to an operating
system. That is an area of memory that memtest86+ can't test.
And that's partially the reason for the "4094M" instead of 4096.

Decoding failed locations (numbers in red) is a pain in the ass.
If you have failures, it's much easier to switch to testing
one DIMM at a time, so you can be absolutely sure you're holding
onto the bad one.

It's possible to mix incompatible RAM with a motherboard. Perhaps
a motherboard has a 512MB upper limit per slot, and someone sticks
a 1GB DIMM in the slot and only half the memory is detected. This
can be caused by the motherboard being "one bit short" when it
comes to addressing rows and columns. The BIOS can detect the
working portion of the memory, and that's all the system can see
and use. It's one possible explanation for "not getting your
money's worth" from a RAM upgrade. As another example of that,
if you plug a 256MB single sided DIMM into a 440BX motherboard,
it is detected as a 128MB DIMM, while if you use the proper
double sided 16 chip 256MB DIMM, it will all be detected. There
are a few tricks like that, when it comes to memory upgrades.

Paul
 
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