SP1 - big disappointment for me

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Rich T

I have been hanging on with Vista in case SP1 fixed all the bugs and have
been running it for a few days now - but still the big problems persist - I
still get random catastrophic USB failures. Seems that Vista just cannot
cope with multiple USB connections as well as XP can.

The folder settinsg seem to get remembered a bit better now, but I still
cannot understand the "logic" which decides what folders are opened with
what settings. They just seem totally random to me, bearing no relation to
the content. At least now the manual changes are remembered until the next
time though.....

It is still dismally slow to reboot.

And still the annoying "permission required" warnings when I want to delete
something obviously redundant (eg leftover foldes from uninstalled
software).

Still too much bloat and incompatibility with other microsoft products (eg
microsoft fingerprint reader and sidebar do not coexist without conflict,
windows fax files are not included in Vista backups and you can't move the
fax default folder to somewhere that is included in backups without crashing
fax, DEP still prevents downloading of jpeg movies from a microsoft
telephone via microsoft mobile device center, and liveone care still not
properly compatible with Vista).

If Microsoft can't even make their own products compatible with one another
then it is no surprise that Vista does not work with a whole load of other
perfectly good software. DISASTER!!!

I'm now taking the plunge to format and reinstall everything on XP. Thank
you Microsoft for wasting my time!!!
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Free SP1 technical support from Microsoft:
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&x=8&y=7&prid=11274&gprid=500921


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

---------------------------------------------------------------

:

I have been hanging on with Vista in case SP1 fixed all the bugs and have
been running it for a few days now - but still the big problems persist - I
still get random catastrophic USB failures. Seems that Vista just cannot
cope with multiple USB connections as well as XP can.

The folder settinsg seem to get remembered a bit better now, but I still
cannot understand the "logic" which decides what folders are opened with
what settings. They just seem totally random to me, bearing no relation to
the content. At least now the manual changes are remembered until the next
time though.....

It is still dismally slow to reboot.

And still the annoying "permission required" warnings when I want to delete
something obviously redundant (eg leftover foldes from uninstalled
software).

Still too much bloat and incompatibility with other microsoft products (eg
microsoft fingerprint reader and sidebar do not coexist without conflict,
windows fax files are not included in Vista backups and you can't move the
fax default folder to somewhere that is included in backups without crashing
fax, DEP still prevents downloading of jpeg movies from a microsoft
telephone via microsoft mobile device center, and liveone care still not
properly compatible with Vista).

If Microsoft can't even make their own products compatible with one another
then it is no surprise that Vista does not work with a whole load of other
perfectly good software. DISASTER!!!

I'm now taking the plunge to format and reinstall everything on XP. Thank
you Microsoft for wasting my time!!!
 
C

Chupacabra

I have been hanging on with Vista in case SP1 fixed all the bugs and have
been running it for a few days now - but still the big problems persist -
I still get random catastrophic USB failures. Seems that Vista just cannot
cope with multiple USB connections as well as XP can.

I have the following USB devices on Vista SP1 (they worked fine pre-SP1 as
well)

Keyboard
Mouse
IR Receiver for Media Center Remote
Seagate FreeAgent external USB drive
iPod
Digital Camera
HP Laserjet 1020
HP Photo Printer
Epson Perfection 1600 Scanner
Various thumb drives

Never a problem at all with them. It may only be your motherboard, or one
of your devices that's part of the problem anyway.
 
D

David

Chupacabra said:
I have the following USB devices on Vista SP1 (they worked fine pre-SP1 as
well)

Keyboard
Mouse
IR Receiver for Media Center Remote
Seagate FreeAgent external USB drive
iPod
Digital Camera
HP Laserjet 1020
HP Photo Printer
Epson Perfection 1600 Scanner
Various thumb drives

Never a problem at all with them. It may only be your motherboard, or one
of your devices that's part of the problem anyway.

Hi,
I don't have nearly as many USB devices as you do - external HD, wireless
mouse, Palm device when Hotsyncing, Canon printer - but I have no problems
either. These complaints come up all the time and as usual, there is lots
of information missing. Off the top of my head I wonder if his computer
originally had XP installed, and if so, did he upgrade the BIOS to a Vista
compatible versions. I had to do that with my Gateway.

Anyway, Vista always gets blamed for the problems. It works for me and I
shan't be returning to XP, even though it was a great OS.

One other thing, I think that the OP was grasping at straws when he thought
the SP would fix a poorly running computer. That MIGHT have worked if his
problem related to missing or corrupted files that were replaced by the SP.
 
K

KDE

5 usb hard drives, 4 printers, keyboard, mouse, 2 webcams, a couple ipods
(sometimes) 2 card readers, Axim Dock. It all used to give me fits with XP,
never had an issue with Vista.
 
Q

Qu0ll

I have the following USB devices on Vista SP1 (they worked fine pre-SP1 as
well)
Seagate FreeAgent external USB drive

Do you happen to use 64-bit Vista? I am looking at getting one of these
drives and would like to know if they are fully compatible with Vista x64.

--
And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
(e-mail address removed)
(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)
 
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Rich T

I don't have nearly as many USB devices as you do - external HD, wireless
mouse, Palm device when Hotsyncing, Canon printer - but I have no problems
either. These complaints come up all the time and as usual, there is lots
of information missing. Off the top of my head I wonder if his computer
originally had XP installed, and if so, did he upgrade the BIOS to a Vista
compatible versions. I had to do that with my Gateway.

Yes, I did upgrade the BIOS.
 
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zachd [MSFT]

Rich T said:
I have been hanging on with Vista in case SP1 fixed all the bugs and have
been running it for a few days now - but still the big problems persist -
I still get random catastrophic USB failures. Seems that Vista just cannot
cope with multiple USB connections as well as XP can.

Could you clarify what steps you take with what hardware to reproduce this
issue?
It is still dismally slow to reboot.

On which side? Warming up or shutting down? I don't see this on my
systems, so I'm wondering if there's something wonky on your system.
And still the annoying "permission required" warnings when I want to
delete something obviously redundant (eg leftover foldes from uninstalled
software).

The system unfortunately cannot make that evaluation automatically - it
would be bad to guess wrong and remove backup data files you wanted. =\
windows fax files are not included in Vista backups and you can't move the
fax default folder to somewhere that is included in backups without
crashing fax

What's the crash data for this failure according to the Problem Reports and
Solutions Center control panel?
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket
DEP still prevents downloading of jpeg movies from a microsoft telephone
via microsoft mobile device center

Same question - what's the fault data? It is a DEP issue, though, so an
actual DMP might be required to suss out who's dying.

-Zach
 
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Rich T

"> Could you clarify what steps you take with what hardware to reproduce
this

There is no repeatable reason for the failure. I can just be working away
(or even leave my computer unattended) then suddenly the mouse, or keyboard,
or some other peripheral stops working. Usually then another fails. The
mouse failures are the worst as it can take a whole morning to get it
working again.
On which side? Warming up or shutting down? I don't see this on my
systems, so I'm wondering if there's something wonky on your system.

Both are a lot slower than XP. My machine is a Dimension 9200, which was
sold with XP installed but "Vista Ready". Dell sent a Vista disc a few
months ago. I have all the latest and correct BIOS and chipsets installed.
 
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zachd [MSFT]

OK, that's unfortunately a little too vague for me to be able to
trouble-shoot effectively, sorry. What's the crash data for those crashes?
That should be much more actionable. =)
 

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