Should IE Stay or Should IE Go?

[123]

Actually, I've NEVER been to a site that hasn't worked with Firefox.

[...]

Windows Update requires IE

The SITE does, not the Operating System FEATURE. I don't update by
visiting the Windows Update SITE; I just let the OS alert me when
updates are available and then download them. IE is not needed.

 

[jimpgh2002]

Actually, I've NEVER been to a site that hasn't worked with Firefox.

Well, I have, many times. I use FF normally, but it doesn't
cut it sometimes.
For example, I have a fantasy baseball draft tomorrow and the
web site draft software causes FF to crash, so I'll be using Avant.

 

[123]

For example, I have a fantasy baseball draft tomorrow and the
web site draft software causes FF to crash

Ah, so it's SOFTWARE crashing FF; not an actual online site...

 

[John Corliss]

Actually, I've NEVER been to a site that hasn't worked with Firefox.

[...]

Windows Update requires IE

The SITE does, not the Operating System FEATURE.

That's precisely what I meant and it's a site that doesn't open in
Mozilla or Firefox. In fact, here's what you get if you try to open

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

in Mozilla:
-------------------------------
Thank you for your interest in Windows Update

Windows Update is the online extension of Windows that helps you get the
most out of your computer.

You need to be running a version of Internet Explorer 5 or higher in
order to use Windows Update.

Download the latest version of Internet Explorer

Once Internet Explorer is installed, you can go to the Windows Update
site by typing http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com into the address bar
of Internet Explorer.

If you prefer to use a different Web browser, updates to Windows may be
downloaded from the Microsoft Download Center.
--------------------------------

I don't update by visiting the Windows Update SITE; I just let the
OS alert me when updates are available and then download them.
IE is not needed.

Good point. If one knows which updates are needed on a system, then it's
a (I think) simple matter to download and install them. However, knowing
which updates are needed requires that a person have "Windows Automatic
Updating" installed on their system, and that requires agreeing with
Microsoft's license that they will from that point on have the right to
crawl into your computer and have their way with it. Since I use
Millennium Edition, I don't know if "Windows Automatic Updating" comes
with XP or not, but I think it does. It does not, however, come with ME.
I chose not to show my soft underbelly to MS any more than necessary and
decided not to install WAU on my computer.

 

[jimpgh2002]

Ah, so it's SOFTWARE crashing FF; not an actual online site...

Ahhhhh, yeah...but so what?
It doesn't cause IE to crash. The point is that one cannot
successfully use FF at all web sites.

 

[/3iff //ullins]

That's precisely what I meant

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[/3iff //ullins]

Blah blah blah...

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[123]

Good point. If one knows which updates are needed on a system, then
it's a (I think) simple matter to download and install them. However,
knowing which updates are needed requires that a person have "Windows
Automatic Updating" installed on their system, and that requires
agreeing with Microsoft's license that they will from that point on
have the right to crawl into your computer and have their way with
it. Since I use Millennium Edition, I don't know if "Windows
Automatic Updating" comes with XP or not, but I think it does. It
does not, however, come with ME. I chose not to show my soft
underbelly to MS any more than necessary and decided not to install
WAU on my computer.

Blah blah blah... Automatics Update work, end of story.

 

[123]

[Automatic Updating] requires agreeing with Microsoft's license

Yeah, but so does updating from the web link you posted:

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

When I go to install an update at this URL in IE, I get a popup
window with an End User License Agreement that I must agree to.
So what's the difference? None. Except one form of updating is
done via the OS (Automatic Updates) and one is done from the Web
and requires IE (the link above).

Both forms of update work exactly the same way: the updates tell
the user what they do, and you have a checkbox to select if you
wish to download and install them. So again, no difference.

 

[James Picardat]

Ahhhhh, yeah...but so what?
It doesn't cause IE to crash. The point is that one cannot
successfully use FF at all web sites.

So you are saying that if I was using Linux (or any other Operating
System for that matter)I couldn't participate either? E-Mail the
webmaster of the Fantasy Baseball web site and ask them to make their
draft applet Web Standard Compliant (which most IE dependent sites
aren't). Make it a Java applet so that ALL browsers can access it
regardless of the Operating System (this is what Yahoo does). Who
knows, they might actually get more participation.

Your issue is with the web site webmaster making proprietary software
not the Firefox browser.

I use nLite and I strip the ENTIRE IE core, the browser, everything out
of the Operating System. I use Firefox as my browser and have few if
any issues accessing web sites. Those sites that I visit that refuse to
work without IE just refuse to have me ever visit them again - their
choice moreso than mine as I lose no sleep over it. Those software
applications that refuse to install or operate correctly without IE just
refuse to have me ever use them again too. There are plenty of
alternatives available.

As far as I'm concerned IE can (and has on my computer) take a hike!
Its all about choice.

 

[John Corliss]

John Corliss wrote:

[Automatic Updating] requires agreeing with Microsoft's license

Yeah, but so does updating from the web link you posted:

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp

When I go to install an update at this URL in IE, I get a popup
window with an End User License Agreement that I must agree to.
So what's the difference? None. Except one form of updating is
done via the OS (Automatic Updates) and one is done from the Web
and requires IE (the link above).

Big difference in that automatic updates can happen any time and without
your permission. Agreeing to allow each update after reviewing it is
much more acceptable to me.

Both forms of update work exactly the same way: the updates tell
the user what they do, and you have a checkbox to select if you
wish to download and install them. So again, no difference.

See my above remark.

 

[John Corliss]

I should have added "WHENEVER THEY WANT TO"

Blah blah blah... Automatics Update work, end of story.

Geez, lighten up, dude. I thought we were having a discussion, not an
argument.

I know that AU works but that wasn't the issue. The issue was whether or
not the license for it is acceptable, and IMO it isn't. YMMV.

 

[jimpgh2002]

So you are saying that if I was using Linux (or any other Operating
System for that matter)I couldn't participate either? E-Mail the
webmaster of the Fantasy Baseball web site and ask them to make their
draft applet Web Standard Compliant (which most IE dependent sites
aren't). Make it a Java applet so that ALL browsers can access it
regardless of the Operating System (this is what Yahoo does). Who
knows, they might actually get more participation.

The web site in question is CBS Sportsline. I seriously doubt
they would "fix" their java app for me and I'm positive they wouldn't
do it in time for this year's baseball leagues.

 

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The web site in question is CBS Sportsline. I seriously doubt
they would "fix" their java app for me and I'm positive they wouldn't
do it in time for this year's baseball leagues.

You are using Sun's Java plugin? I'm surprised CBS would only support
MS java.

 

[/3iff //ullins]

Big difference

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[/3iff //ullins]

Geez, lighten up, dude.

will do, punk.
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[Paul Blarmy]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:46:54 +1100, wrote...

Actually, I've NEVER been to a site that hasn't worked with Firefox.

Can you get the IPix viewer to work on
http://www.melashotels.com/h_virtual_en.html using Firefox?

I can't get it to work with Firefox, IE works OK.

 

[jimpgh2002]

You are using Sun's Java plugin? I'm surprised CBS would only support
MS java.

Yep, Sun Java.

 

[James Picardat]

Yep, Sun Java.

Should have asked this first but I took it for granted.

Did you contact CBS Sportsline Customer Support or e-mail them with
specifics of your problem?

After reviewing the requirements (Netscape 4.0+ or IE 4.0+) it is
definitely a configuration problem with your FF browser and not the
browser itself. If their system will work with 8 year old browsers, it
will work with just about anything. I'm sure the Customer Support line
can steer you through to a solution.

I would try to access it with my FF browser but I have no need to join a
pay Fantasy Baseball league.

 

[jimpgh2002]

Should have asked this first but I took it for granted.

Did you contact CBS Sportsline Customer Support or e-mail them with
specifics of your problem?

After reviewing the requirements (Netscape 4.0+ or IE 4.0+) it is
definitely a configuration problem with your FF browser and not the
browser itself. If their system will work with 8 year old browsers, it
will work with just about anything. I'm sure the Customer Support line
can steer you through to a solution.

I would try to access it with my FF browser but I have no need to join a
pay Fantasy Baseball league.

Well, my draft is over, so it's too late now. I'd have to
join another league!