Shared Borders KILLED ALL CONTENT

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Jody

I accidentally removed my shared borders (damn default
check boxes! <:( on all pages and then I re-enabled
them. Much to my horror, the shared borders returned but
ALL MY CONTENT ON EVERY PAGE IN MY HUGE SITE IS NOW GONE!

Any ideas on how to restore my data and prevent this @$%?
in the future? I have made so many changes in the last
few days! Now I am downloading the live site so I can
REDO EVERYTHING!

Thanks!
Jody
 
I actually discovered that it was something weird in the
top.htm. The top.htm was just a simple table with a logo
and some text and a hyperlink. Who Knows???

What was really weird is I could see all the content in
the browser, viewed from outside of FrontPage. But, when
I tried to view the same pages from inside FP in either
preview mode or launching the browser from within FP, the
data was gone.

I eventually migrated all the pages to a new web and
everything was just fine until I re-imported top.htm then
everything disappeared on all the pages again. They al
looked like new pages with just the header and footer.
SO..I re-created the top.htm page and all is well again.

I have however had other problems with the top.htm and
bottom.htm files being overwritten when re-enabling shared
borders so I now ALWAYS create a top_BAK.htm and
bottom_BAK.htm files in a Save As function to the to
_borders folder so I always have a backup that I can
restore.

I absolutely HATE that FP has these global defaults in
Shared Boarders and in applying Themes. This is a HUGE
potential to make BIG mistakes that take a lot of time to
fix. - Heads up Microsoft!!! These defaults are AWFUL!!
 
What defaults?

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==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
The defaults I am talking about are when you want to add
or remove a Shared Border, the default is to apply changes
to ALL pages in the web UNLESS you check the box that says
ot apply the changes to the current page.

The same is true when applying a theam, the check box
default is to apply changes to the entire web.
 
Shared Borders are site wide design-time component, meaning that any content that appears in them
will appear on all pages using the specific shared border. You can only have a single set (top,
bottom, left, right) of shared borders within a web or subweb. Your only option is the ability to
enable or disable them on a page by page basis.

Themes are also a site wide design-time component/

If you need to have unique content, then use the FP Include Page component which offer more
flexibility, at they can be place anywhere on a page.

or

You can split your site into subwebs, where you can have apply a separate set of Shared Borders
and/or theme.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
Thomas,
A question slightly off the subject but on the same lines.
Will I be able to turn off/on shared boarders on a subweb using the default
(all pages) without affecting my main website. I only want to affect the
entire subweb.
 
Yes, subwebs are completely independent of the root web/top level or other subwebs. So Shared
Borders / Themes can be totally different.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
I understand the functionality & intent - My point is that
it is WAY to easy to make a global change when all you
want is to make a page specific change. That is the
problem!

-----Original Message-----
Shared Borders are site wide design-time component,
meaning that any content that appears in them
will appear on all pages using the specific shared
border. You can only have a single set (top,
bottom, left, right) of shared borders within a web or
subweb. Your only option is the ability to
enable or disable them on a page by page basis.

Themes are also a site wide design-time component/

If you need to have unique content, then use the FP
Include Page component which offer more
flexibility, at they can be place anywhere on a page.

or

You can split your site into subwebs, where you can have
apply a separate set of Shared Borders
 
Then don't use shared borders, as they are design for global use.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
That is the
problem!

But that is their very purpose.


| I understand the functionality & intent - My point is that
| it is WAY to easy to make a global change when all you
| want is to make a page specific change. That is the
| problem!
|
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Shared Borders are site wide design-time component,
| meaning that any content that appears in them
| >will appear on all pages using the specific shared
| border. You can only have a single set (top,
| >bottom, left, right) of shared borders within a web or
| subweb. Your only option is the ability to
| >enable or disable them on a page by page basis.
| >
| >Themes are also a site wide design-time component/
| >
| >If you need to have unique content, then use the FP
| Include Page component which offer more
| >flexibility, at they can be place anywhere on a page.
| >
| >or
| >
| >You can split your site into subwebs, where you can have
| apply a separate set of Shared Borders
| >and/or theme.
| >
| >--
| > ==============================================
| >Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >
| >FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >==============================================
| >To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage
| support see:
| >http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >
| >| >> The defaults I am talking about are when you want to add
| >> or remove a Shared Border, the default is to apply
| changes
| >> to ALL pages in the web UNLESS you check the box that
| says
| >> ot apply the changes to the current page.
| >>
| >> The same is true when applying a theam, the check box
| >> default is to apply changes to the entire web.
| >>
| >>
| >> >-----Original Message-----
| >> >What defaults?
| >> >
| >> >--
| >> > ==============================================
| >> >Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| >> >WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
| >> >
| >> >FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| >> >==============================================
| >> >To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage
| >> support see:
| >> >http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| >> >
| >> message
| >> >| >> >> I actually discovered that it was something weird in
| the
| >> >> top.htm. The top.htm was just a simple table with a
| logo
| >> >> and some text and a hyperlink. Who Knows???
| >> >>
| >> >> What was really weird is I could see all the content
| in
| >> >> the browser, viewed from outside of FrontPage. But,
| >> when
| >> >> I tried to view the same pages from inside FP in
| either
| >> >> preview mode or launching the browser from within FP,
| >> the
| >> >> data was gone.
| >> >>
| >> >> I eventually migrated all the pages to a new web and
| >> >> everything was just fine until I re-imported top.htm
| >> then
| >> >> everything disappeared on all the pages again. They
| al
| >> >> looked like new pages with just the header and
| footer.
| >> >> SO..I re-created the top.htm page and all is well
| again.
| >> >>
| >> >> I have however had other problems with the top.htm
| and
| >> >> bottom.htm files being overwritten when re-enabling
| >> shared
| >> >> borders so I now ALWAYS create a top_BAK.htm and
| >> >> bottom_BAK.htm files in a Save As function to the to
| >> >> _borders folder so I always have a backup that I can
| >> >> restore.
| >> >>
| >> >> I absolutely HATE that FP has these global defaults
| in
| >> >> Shared Boarders and in applying Themes. This is a
| HUGE
| >> >> potential to make BIG mistakes that take a lot of
| time
| >> to
| >> >> fix. - Heads up Microsoft!!! These defaults are
| AWFUL!!
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >> >-----Original Message-----
| >> >> >Thanks for asking this question. I don't have an
| >> answer
| >> >> but the exact thing
| >> >> >happened to me yesterday. I was trying to add/del
| >> shared
| >> >> boarders on some
| >> >> >"test pages" and messed everything up. I was able
| to
| >> >> grab my boarders from
| >> >> >a file that I had zipped up but it still cost me an
| >> hour
| >> >> and several knots
| >> >> >in my stomach.
| >> >> >
| >> >> >I will watch for an answer on this one.
| >> >> >
| in
| >> >> message
| >> >> >| >> >> >> I accidentally removed my shared borders (damn
| >> default
| >> >> >> check boxes! <:( on all pages and then I re-
| enabled
| >> >> >> them. Much to my horror, the shared borders
| returned
| >> >> but
| >> >> >> ALL MY CONTENT ON EVERY PAGE IN MY HUGE SITE IS
| NOW
| >> >> GONE!
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> Any ideas on how to restore my data and prevent
| this
| >> @$
| >> >> %?
| >> >> >> in the future? I have made so many changes in the
| >> last
| >> >> >> few days! Now I am downloading the live site so I
| >> can
| >> >> >> REDO EVERYTHING!
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> Thanks!
| >> >> >> Jody
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> >.
| >> >> >
| >> >
| >> >
| >> >.
| >> >
| >
| >
| >.
| >
 

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