Scanned image format

[Rich]

What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
scanned images in FrontPage?
I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is high
memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop Pro
incidentally).
Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
another way I can reduce the memory?
Thanks

 

[E. T. Culling]

A lot depends on the viewer's monitor settings.
It would really be best if you resized and optimized the image before using
it on a page. See p. 3 of this article about PSP v.9:
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/PSPv9/index.htm
600 pixels wide would be a good size so that no one has to scroll.
Eleanor

 

[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28aka:_Crash_Gordo]

you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.

Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your FP Image folder and from there insert it into your design.

I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be able to discern any loss.

Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need more info for a better answer.

hth,

Rob

| What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| scanned images in FrontPage?
| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is high
| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop Pro
| incidentally).
| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| another way I can reduce the memory?
| Thanks

 

[Guest]

I have reduced image to width 720 to fit into my 800
width webpage

 

[Guest]

I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
images?

-----Original Message-----
you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image

of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.

Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your

FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
design.

I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be able to discern any loss.

Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need more info for a better answer.

hth,

Rob

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[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28aka:_Crash_Gordo]

Acrobat?? - my scanners default to TIFF. I don't think I've ever seen a scanner output directly to Acrobat - since you have to have Acrobat Distiller or Writer...you've got me confusted on this one

PDFs are cross platform for many uses, but generally not for Web work.

But, then again it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

A pdf is not going to display in a webdesign, only jpgs and gifs will. A pdf file will normally want to open Acrobat Reader...which is fine if your web guest has the Reader and that is what you want to happen.

Sometimes I have to take a print format newsletter and put it on the web. Since I output to pdf for the print house and I'm too lazy to re-do it for the web, I will generally convert the pdf to a gif and put it up on the web (yah, I know..it's down and dirty...but they're only on the web for a month).




| I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
| images?
| >-----Original Message-----
| > you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image
| of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.
| >
| >Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your
| FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
| design.
| >
| >I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be
| able to discern any loss.
| >
| >Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need
| more info for a better answer.
| >
| >hth,
| >
| >Rob
| >
| message | >| What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| >| scanned images in FrontPage?
| >| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
| high
| >| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| >| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop
| Pro
| >| incidentally).
| >| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| >| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| >| another way I can reduce the memory?
| >| Thanks
| >.
| >

 

[Mike Mueller]

Rich,
A few notes for you:

What format / resolution is that image that it is so large?
Not all image formats are web friendly. Those that are web
friendly all compress the image.
Acroba compresses images also, and there will be a loss of
quality

Mike

message : What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
: scanned images in FrontPage?
: I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is high
: memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
: further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop Pro
: incidentally).
: Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
: use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
: another way I can reduce the memory?
: Thanks

 

[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28aka:_Crash_Gordo]

Quick tour:

Scan to TIFF (lossless). Scan 100%. - keep this base scan.
Then in your favorite image editor...adjust/crop/size etc to get the image the way you want it to look. Optimize it. Save As xxx.JPG.

(make sure your not working in the print world (CMYK) you want to be working in a RGB workspace)

Keep your original TIFF.

Don't keep adjusting and saving your JPG (once or twice you'll get a way with) - everytime you save you lose quality...thats why you go back to your TIFF....or whatever lossless format you like.



| I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
| images?
| >-----Original Message-----
| > you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image
| of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.
| >
| >Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your
| FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
| design.
| >
| >I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be
| able to discern any loss.
| >
| >Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need
| more info for a better answer.
| >
| >hth,
| >
| >Rob
| >
| message | >| What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| >| scanned images in FrontPage?
| >| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
| high
| >| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| >| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop
| Pro
| >| incidentally).
| >| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| >| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| >| another way I can reduce the memory?
| >| Thanks
| >.
| >

 

[Guest]

Yes that is what I meant, users opening up Acrobat to
view the image.

-----Original Message-----
Acrobat?? - my scanners default to TIFF. I don't think

I've ever seen a scanner output directly to Acrobat -
since you have to have Acrobat Distiller or
Writer...you've got me confusted on this one

PDFs are cross platform for many uses, but generally not for Web work.

But, then again it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

A pdf is not going to display in a webdesign, only jpgs

and gifs will. A pdf file will normally want to open
Acrobat Reader...which is fine if your web guest has the
Reader and that is what you want to happen.

Sometimes I have to take a print format newsletter and

put it on the web. Since I output to pdf for the print
house and I'm too lazy to re-do it for the web, I will
generally convert the pdf to a gif and put it up on the
web (yah, I know..it's down and dirty...but they're only
on the web for a month).

 

[Don]

I would save it @ 96 dpi (witch is better than the monitor it will be viewed
on)

in PSP go to file export then Jpeg optimizer when the window opens then you
can change the compression to what you think still looks good.... then save
it and import it into FrontPage..

From there just insert it in a page... Don't forget to add Alternative
reprsentations (text) (under picture properties) so some of us know what the
picture is....

Just a thought
(like I can see an image... Ha hahaha)
Don
====================
|I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
| images?
| >-----Original Message-----
| > you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image
| of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.
| >
| >Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your
| FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
| design.
| >
| >I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be
| able to discern any loss.
| >
| >Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need
| more info for a better answer.
| >
| >hth,
| >
| >Rob
| >
| message | >| What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| >| scanned images in FrontPage?
| >| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
| high
| >| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| >| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop
| Pro
| >| incidentally).
| >| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| >| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| >| another way I can reduce the memory?
| >| Thanks
| >.
| >

 

[Guest]

I scan the image using 200dpi. I then save as a JPEG.
Then I resize to about 700 width and then optimise to
about 100kb (note this is a black and white image). If I
optimise anymore the writing is hard to read. I wondered
if this was the best way to dispay scanned images on the
web.

 

[Mike Mueller]

Rich,

The thing about this is that JPEG is generally a color
image. Try scanning and saving as a b/w TIFF image. Then
you can resize and convert from there. The image below is
8.5x11 @ 120 dpi, and is about 20k in size

http://www.lannonfire.com/Samples/Graphic.png

Mike



(e-mail address removed) wrote:
: I scan the image using 200dpi. I then save as a JPEG.
: Then I resize to about 700 width and then optimise to
: about 100kb (note this is a black and white image). If I
: optimise anymore the writing is hard to read. I wondered
: if this was the best way to dispay scanned images on the
: web.
:: -----Original Message-----
:: Rich,
:: A few notes for you:
::
:: What format / resolution is that image that it is so
:: large? Not all image formats are web friendly. Those
:: that are web friendly all compress the image.
:: Acroba compresses images also, and there will be a loss
:: of quality
::
:: Mike
::
:: message ::: What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
::: scanned images in FrontPage?
::: I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
::: high memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to
::: compress further as I will lose the quality (I use
::: PaintShop Pro incidentally).
::: Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
::: use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
::: another way I can reduce the memory?
::: Thanks
::
::
:: .

 

[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28aka:_Crash_Gordo]

you can..it throws the sizing off a little if you're working on a pc rather than that other computer though.


| I would save it @ 96 dpi (witch is better than the monitor it will be viewed
| on)
|
| in PSP go to file export then Jpeg optimizer when the window opens then you
| can change the compression to what you think still looks good.... then save
| it and import it into FrontPage..
|
| From there just insert it in a page... Don't forget to add Alternative
| reprsentations (text) (under picture properties) so some of us know what the
| picture is....
|
| Just a thought
| (like I can see an image... Ha hahaha)
| Don
| ====================
| | |I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
| | images?
| | >-----Original Message-----
| | > you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an image
| | of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.
| | >
| | >Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into your
| | FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
| | design.
| | >
| | >I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not be
| | able to discern any loss.
| | >
| | >Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for this...need
| | more info for a better answer.
| | >
| | >hth,
| | >
| | >Rob
| | >
| | message | | >| What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| | >| scanned images in FrontPage?
| | >| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
| | high
| | >| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| | >| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop
| | Pro
| | >| incidentally).
| | >| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| | >| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| | >| another way I can reduce the memory?
| | >| Thanks
| | >.
| | >
|
|

 

[=?Windows-1252?Q?Rob_Giordano_\=28aka:_Crash_Gordo]

if you're adding a text layer, try adding it after you resize and optimize, sometimes that helps.


| I scan the image using 200dpi. I then save as a JPEG.
| Then I resize to about 700 width and then optimise to
| about 100kb (note this is a black and white image). If I
| optimise anymore the writing is hard to read. I wondered
| if this was the best way to dispay scanned images on the
| web.
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Rich,
| >A few notes for you:
| >
| >What format / resolution is that image that it is so
| large?
| >Not all image formats are web friendly. Those that are
| web
| >friendly all compress the image.
| >Acroba compresses images also, and there will be a loss
| of
| >quality
| >
| >Mike
| >
| >message | >: What's the best and most efficient way of displyaing
| >: scanned images in FrontPage?
| >: I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that is
| high
| >: memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to compress
| >: further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop Pro
| >: incidentally).
| >: Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better to
| >: use another application such as Acrobat, Or is there
| >: another way I can reduce the memory?
| >: Thanks
| >
| >
| >.
| >

 

[Guest]

Thanks. As I'm only scanning text I have saved as a tiff
file which seems to produce the best image for the lowest
memory.

-----Original Message-----
Quick tour:

Scan to TIFF (lossless). Scan 100%. - keep this base scan.
Then in your favorite image editor...adjust/crop/size

etc to get the image the way you want it to look.
Optimize it. Save As xxx.JPG.

(make sure your not working in the print world (CMYK)

you want to be working in a RGB workspace)

Keep your original TIFF.

Don't keep adjusting and saving your JPG (once or twice

you'll get a way with) - everytime you save you lose
quality...thats why you go back to your TIFF....or
whatever lossless format you like.

 

[Guest]

Thanks, tiff format seems to be the most efficient

 

[Don]

Can you send me a sample of what you have scanned?
I don't care what format it is in PDF, Tiff, JPG or what...

E-mail me at (e-mail address removed)
(that ought to get me some SPAM)

If this is just text there might be a better way....

Don
========================
| Thanks. As I'm only scanning text I have saved as a tiff
| file which seems to produce the best image for the lowest
| memory.
| >-----Original Message-----
| >Quick tour:
| >
| >Scan to TIFF (lossless). Scan 100%. - keep this base
| scan.
| >Then in your favorite image editor...adjust/crop/size
| etc to get the image the way you want it to look.
| Optimize it. Save As xxx.JPG.
| >
| >(make sure your not working in the print world (CMYK)
| you want to be working in a RGB workspace)
| >
| >Keep your original TIFF.
| >
| >Don't keep adjusting and saving your JPG (once or twice
| you'll get a way with) - everytime you save you lose
| quality...thats why you go back to your TIFF....or
| whatever lossless format you like.
| >
| >
| >
| | >| I thought acrobat was the standard for viewing scanned
| >| images?
| >| >-----Original Message-----
| >| > you'd just be wasting bandwidth if you put up an
| image
| >| of 300 dpi...use 72 for web work.
| >| >
| >| >Resize it and save it as a jpg, then Import it into
| your
| >| FP Image folder and from there insert it into your
| >| design.
| >| >
| >| >I bet you can get that image down to 27-40k and not
| be
| >| able to discern any loss.
| >| >
| >| >Not sure why you'd want to use Acrobat for
| this...need
| >| more info for a better answer.
| >| >
| >| >hth,
| >| >
| >| >Rob
| >| >
| >| message | >| >| What's the best and most efficient way of
| displyaing
| >| >| scanned images in FrontPage?
| >| >| I have a scanned A5 image in black and white that
| is
| >| high
| >| >| memory (approx 206kb) that I do not wish to
| compress
| >| >| further as I will lose the quality (I use PaintShop
| >| Pro
| >| >| incidentally).
| >| >| Should I paste into a blank webpage or is it better
| to
| >| >| use another application such as Acrobat, Or is
| there
| >| >| another way I can reduce the memory?
| >| >| Thanks
| >| >.
| >| >
| >.
| >