Scan 120 negatives on Coolscan V?

N

Nick

I have a Nikon Coolscan V scanner with a SA-21 adaptor. I have managed
to scan many 35mm negatives and slides without any problems.

However, I have some old negatives dating back to the 1970s; I am not
sure what size they are. The strip height of these negatives is same
as 35mm but they only have one sprocket hole at the bottom of each
frame. Could they be 120 size?

Anyway I tried inserting one of these negatives into the SA-2 adaptor
and it throws it immediately; just will not accept it. Is there any
way to get this scanner to scan this size negatives? Is there another
adaptor?
 
T

Toni Nikkanen

Nick said:
However, I have some old negatives dating back to the 1970s; I am not
sure what size they are. The strip height of these negatives is same
as 35mm but they only have one sprocket hole at the bottom of each
frame. Could they be 120 size?

I have no idea other than that they are definitely not 120 size. 120 film
is about 60mm wide and with no perforations.
 
J

Jethro Pull

I have the Coolscan 5000ED which, of course, is the best. And I also
have an Epson 500V scanner. Both have ICE.

Find someone who has the Epson. They should be able to handle the scan
provided that the width of the film strip is the same as 35mm.
 
B

Barry Watzman

You should be able to scan those images using an FH-2 or FH-3 inserted
into your MA-21 slide film adapter.

I don't think that's 120, which I think is taller.
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Nick said:
I have a Nikon Coolscan V scanner with a SA-21 adaptor. I have managed
to scan many 35mm negatives and slides without any problems.

However, I have some old negatives dating back to the 1970s; I am not
sure what size they are. The strip height of these negatives is same
as 35mm but they only have one sprocket hole at the bottom of each
frame. Could they be 120 size?

Anyway I tried inserting one of these negatives into the SA-2 adaptor
and it throws it immediately; just will not accept it. Is there any
way to get this scanner to scan this size negatives? Is there another
adaptor?


They are 126 size and there are only two ways I know to get the Nikons
to scan them, both with limitations. The first is to get a box of 126
format slide mounts and cut each frame out and place it in a slide
mount. These can then be scanned individually. The second method it to
get hold of an FM-3 manual strip carrier (or an FM-2 from an older
series scanner). Unfortunately, Nikon stopped supplying manual strip
carriers with the 5-series, although they did with all earlier models.
You can manually position the film strip in the carrier to scan each
frame.

The main limitation that you will encounter is that the maximum scan
width of the Nikon 35mm scanners is 25.1mm, but the 126 image is a 28mm
square. To make matters worse, that 28mm is offset towards the top edge
of the film and not central as in the 24mm width of the 35mm format. So,
even if you put individual frames in slide mounts, you lose a minimum of
3mm from the height, and in the FM-3 up to 7mm from the top edge - a
quarter of the frame!

My solution was to make a card version of my own FM-3 to place the 28mm
frame central in the 25.1mm Nikon scan width - You still lose 3mm from
the height, but with a bit of design skill you can make it reversible so
that you can decide the missing part to be at the top or the bottom. It
helps if you have an existing FM-3 to use as a template for this, but
you could probably figure it out from the size of a 35mm slide mount.
 
1

1Scan

I've tried a variety of ways to scan Instamatic negs using one of our
Nikon scanners. I haven't found any method that really works for me,
thankfully they're easy to do on our Epson flatbeds. I can access
these via SilverFast and use Digital ICE so in most respects its as
good as scanning on a Nikon.

And much less frustrating.

Jeff Underwood

www.1Scan.co.uk
www.freephotoscanning.com
 
N

Nick

Thanks to all for the suggestions. I also have an Epson 515 printer/
scanner but it has no negative/slide attachment so the software will
not accept negative scanning.

The FH-3 attachments are very hard to find these days. I might try
going down the mounting onto slide route.
 
B

Barry Watzman

Apparently the FH-3 is discontinued.

Note that the FH-2 and FH-3 are interchangeable.
 
N

Nick

Actually I have seen the FH-3 on an internet store somewhere and they
had in stock too. I was just about to press the button to order and
changed my mind. I just could'nt justify 30GBP and 6GBP postage. Total
rip-off. 6GBP postage within the UK for an item that weighs a few
grams.

Anyway I have been trying to cut one of the negatives and enclosing it
a slide mount to scan it as a negative slide. Its a messy process. The
first few that I have done look fairly good considering that the
photos were taken on an instamatic camera in the 70s. I think I might
just stick with this and save myself some money.

Results look good so far.
 
K

Kennedy McEwen

Actually I have seen the FH-3 on an internet store somewhere and they
had in stock too. I was just about to press the button to order and
changed my mind. I just could'nt justify 30GBP and 6GBP postage. Total
rip-off. 6GBP postage within the UK for an item that weighs a few
grams.

Anyway I have been trying to cut one of the negatives and enclosing it
a slide mount to scan it as a negative slide. Its a messy process. The
first few that I have done look fairly good considering that the
photos were taken on an instamatic camera in the 70s. I think I might
just stick with this and save myself some money.

Results look good so far.
If you have a lot of 126 strips then see my comment on making your own
"FH-3 substitute" from card. You can easily make a 4 or 6 strip holder
from card based on the slide mount dimensions which positions the 28mm
image central in the scanner.

Cut two strips of card 44mm wide and about 200mm long. In the centre of
these strips cut out a 26mm wide strip as long as the negative strip
that you intend to use. Place a 2mm wide strip of double sided sticky
tape along one edge of one of these strips and then attach a 5-6mm wide
length of thick paper or thin card onto this. This will serve to secure
the negative strip in place, simply putting the edge with the
perforations and exposure number under the paper edge. Check that a
film strip placed under this clip arrangement has its frames central in
the aperture and adjust if necessary. Now tape two strips of card
together down one edge to form a hinge along the other side from the
film strip securing edge. This will form the inner part of the strip
holder.

The outer section can be created either from the two halves of a slide
mount with appropriate card padding between them, or from two 50mm wide
card strips with a 28x28mm central aperture cut at one side, 10-11mm
from the end. Now stick a couple of 3mm wide card strips down the outer
edge of each of these card strips (4 in all) and then tape them together
down one side to form a hinge, just like the inner strip holder.

The inner strip holder can now be sandwiched between the outer section
and be free enough to slide between it. The 28mm negative image should
be central in the outer section aperture - adjust the width of the
padding strips to achieve this if necessary.

The end result should enable you to place a strip of negatives in the
inner strip holder and then slide them back and forth within the outer
section to get the appropriate frame in the aperture. The entire
assembly should be no more than 4mm thick, which is the thickness of the
FH-3 holder.

Once you have the appropriate frame in the outer aperture, simply push
the closed assembly into the individual slide adapter in the scanner and
start the preview scan. Adjust the crop to the area of the image and
proceed as if scanning a normal 35mm image. When you want to scan the
next frame in the strip, just remove the FH-3 substitute from the scan
adapter and slide the inner section within the outer until the required
frame appears in the aperture, the return the FH-3 to the scan adapter
and repeat.

Its a lot easier than cutting individual frames (which won't be accepted
by printing houses) if you have more than a dozen or so images to scan.
I actually found my home made card 126 format FH-3 substitute easier to
use than the proper 35mm FH-3, because the two halves of the inner
section couldn't slide out of alignment with each other, as the original
regularly does.
 
N

Nick

Thanks for the help and suggestions. In the end I just cut the
negatives and placed them inside mounts from old negatives. Worked a
treat. I dont think I will ever need the negatives again, now that I
have the digital version.

Now the challenge - I have a few strips of really small negatives
(could be 110 size). I might take up your suggestion and make a
cardboard holder.
 

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