Regex Help

[Dave Sexton]

Hi Jon,

Thanks. Options are good.

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

As like me you use OE, you find the first post of Jon as the last related
item. As he said he answered first just as a reply under the first Jules
post. If you collapse the first Jules answer to himself, you will find it
easily.

Indeed it seems that OE sort answers by title...

/LM

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi,

Thanks for trying to help, but as I stated, the post you are referring to doesn't exist in the thread as I see it. Also, I have it
sorted by the "Sent" column, as I always have.

I see only one post titled, "Regex Help":

Regex Help - Jules - 8/17/2006 8:03 PM
Correction - Jules - 8/17/2006 9:05 PM
Re: Correction - Dave Sexton - 8/18/2006 2:36 PM
Re: Correction - Jon Shemitz - 8/18/2006 7:30 PM
[remainder of thread is descendants of this node...]
DirectX August 2006 (different thread)

The only reason I even responded to this post was because nobody else did, as I saw it.

Is it possible that Jon's OP was hidden somehow? If so, I'd feel pretty silly. For one thing, I don't even know how to do that.

Man, I really don't feel like posting this issue to the OE group

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

Even when sorted by 'Sent' (as I have too) Jon's early anwers appears after
all others under OE because of the title...

/LM

Hi,

Thanks for trying to help, but as I stated, the post you are referring to
doesn't exist in the thread as I see it. Also, I have it sorted by the
"Sent" column, as I always have.

I see only one post titled, "Regex Help":

Regex Help - Jules - 8/17/2006 8:03
PM
Correction - Jules - 8/17/2006 9:05
PM
Re: Correction - Dave Sexton - 8/18/2006 2:36 PM
Re: Correction - Jon Shemitz - 8/18/2006 7:30 PM
[remainder of thread is descendants of this node...]
DirectX August 2006 (different thread)

The only reason I even responded to this post was because nobody else did,
as I saw it.

Is it possible that Jon's OP was hidden somehow? If so, I'd feel pretty
silly. For one thing, I don't even know how to do that.

Man, I really don't feel like posting this issue to the OE group

--
Dave Sexton

As like me you use OE, you find the first post of Jon as the last related
item. As he said he answered first just as a reply under the first Jules
post. If you collapse the first Jules answer to himself, you will find it
easily.

Indeed it seems that OE sort answers by title...

/LM

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi,

I appreciate the help, but you have to get passed this sorting issue. For the third time, Jon's post does not appear in OE as I see
it.

1. I just went to Find and searched for all messages in this group containing the word "Regex" in the subject. Only one post was
found, the OP by Jules.
2. Then, I searched for all messages in this group containing the word "Correction" in the subject. The entire "Regex Help" thread
was found, excluding the OP.
3. I examined each of Jon's posts in the results window and all of them were posted after my OP (verified by sorting the Received
column ASC), and not one of them provided a solution to Jule's OP.
4. I searched for all messages in this group containing the term "(?<eos> / )" in the message body. (This term is unique to Jon's
OP, as he claims it was). Two results:
a. Jon's response to one of my posts, claiming that he posted a solution before me (8/19/06 1:151 AM)
b. My response to Jon, claiming that I never saw his OP (8/19/06 2:09 AM) (My post contains an artifact from his previous post)

Again, Jon's original message does not exist from my perspective, whatsoever.

If that particular post is hidden from me in OE, would that affect the results of Find as well?
Am I the only one with this problem?

Thanks for the help

--
Dave Sexton

Even when sorted by 'Sent' (as I have too) Jon's early anwers appears after all others under OE because of the title...

/LM

Hi,

Thanks for trying to help, but as I stated, the post you are referring to doesn't exist in the thread as I see it. Also, I have
it sorted by the "Sent" column, as I always have.

I see only one post titled, "Regex Help":

Regex Help - Jules - 8/17/2006 8:03 PM
Correction - Jules - 8/17/2006 9:05 PM
Re: Correction - Dave Sexton - 8/18/2006 2:36 PM
Re: Correction - Jon Shemitz - 8/18/2006 7:30 PM
[remainder of thread is descendants of this node...]
DirectX August 2006 (different thread)

The only reason I even responded to this post was because nobody else did, as I saw it.

Is it possible that Jon's OP was hidden somehow? If so, I'd feel pretty silly. For one thing, I don't even know how to do that.

Man, I really don't feel like posting this issue to the OE group

--
Dave Sexton

As like me you use OE, you find the first post of Jon as the last related item. As he said he answered first just as a reply
under the first Jules post. If you collapse the first Jules answer to himself, you will find it easily.

Indeed it seems that OE sort answers by title...

/LM


Hi Jon,

I mean your post doesn't exist. I don't see it at all! I'm using OE, default settings. There are no posts, other than the
OP, titled, "Regex Help". I'd like to fix this if the problem is indeed on my end. Any thoughts?

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated
'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should appear as a reply to
the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when
supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until
now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how could
I get it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since you may only cancel messages from your own email
address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The
"Reset" button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned that I might lose all of my "watched" messages.
Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE docs but I
couldn't find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes this problem without losing those message that I am
"watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I don't
see any other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will
loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole thing is screwed
beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is to
unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel
posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when supported,
removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but I
wasn't exactly sure what either did, until now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I
don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how could I get it
back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since you
may only cancel messages from your own email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up
now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The "Reset" button
in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned that
I might lose all of my "watched" messages. Unfortunately, it is unclear to
me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched news groups
and the OE docs but I couldn't find any information that gave a definitive
answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes
this problem without losing those message that I am "watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's
post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I don't see any other
possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't
see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated
'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should appear as a reply
to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM

Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Dave Sexton]

It's really not important enough to lose my watched messages so I'm just going to let it go and assume that I deleted his post on
accident.

Thanks Luc.

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole
thing is screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose
evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when
supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until
now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how
could I get it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since you may only cancel messages from your own
email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The
"Reset" button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned that I might lose all of my "watched"
messages. Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE
docs but I couldn't find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes this problem without losing those message that I am
"watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I
don't see any other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi All,

I stumbled upon why I couldn't see Jon's OP, on accident. It's a ridiculous setting in OE that I had no idea existed, so it turns
out that I didn't delete his post

Tools --> Options, Read, Get n headers at a time (checked, 300 by default)

I found out that there were several messages that I hadn't ever seen after unchecking that option, including Jon's, spanning
multiple threads and groups. Some of the posts appeared before mine and I wasted my time answering posts to which I thought nobody
else had responded.

I assume it's time-based, but the posts that are excluded appear to be arbitrary from my perspective. Why would anybody want to use
a setting that could, and probably will, prevent them from downloading arbitrary posts without providing any indication that they
are not viewing a thread in its entirety?

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole
thing is screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose
evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when
supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until
now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how
could I get it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since you may only cancel messages from your own
email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The
"Reset" button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned that I might lose all of my "watched"
messages. Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE
docs but I couldn't find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes this problem without losing those message that I am
"watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I
don't see any other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

Actually I think you have visual cues at the bottom of the panel that state
how much is left on the board like '725 messages, 100 read, 425 pending'
(not sure about the exact wording, but that should hint you that there is
more to download).

/LM

Hi All,

I stumbled upon why I couldn't see Jon's OP, on accident. It's a
ridiculous setting in OE that I had no idea existed, so it turns out that
I didn't delete his post

Tools --> Options, Read, Get n headers at a time (checked, 300 by
default)

I found out that there were several messages that I hadn't ever seen after
unchecking that option, including Jon's, spanning multiple threads and
groups. Some of the posts appeared before mine and I wasted my time
answering posts to which I thought nobody else had responded.

I assume it's time-based, but the posts that are excluded appear to be
arbitrary from my perspective. Why would anybody want to use a setting
that could, and probably will, prevent them from downloading arbitrary
posts without providing any indication that they are not viewing a thread
in its entirety?

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will
loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole thing is
screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is
to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel
posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when supported,
removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but
I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I
don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how could I get it
back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since
you may only cancel messages from your own email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up
now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The "Reset" button
in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned
that I might lose all of my "watched" messages. Unfortunately, it is
unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched
news groups and the OE docs but I couldn't find any information that
gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes
this problem without losing those message that I am "watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's
post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I don't see any
other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who
doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the
incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters,
with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'?
With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence'
should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi Luc,

My concern is not whether there is more to download, but if there is more to download for any particular thread. What is the point
of knowing that there is more to download without knowing if the remaining posts are part of threads that you are reading. In other
words, you have to download everything just to be safe anyway.

Do you use that setting or do you know of anyone who uses it purposefully? If so, how do they know when they are viewing partial
threads?

IMO that setting should be off by default and I obviously question its value regardless.

--
Dave Sexton

Actually I think you have visual cues at the bottom of the panel that state how much is left on the board like '725 messages, 100
read, 425 pending' (not sure about the exact wording, but that should hint you that there is more to download).

/LM

Hi All,

I stumbled upon why I couldn't see Jon's OP, on accident. It's a ridiculous setting in OE that I had no idea existed, so it
turns out that I didn't delete his post

Tools --> Options, Read, Get n headers at a time (checked, 300 by default)

I found out that there were several messages that I hadn't ever seen after unchecking that option, including Jon's, spanning
multiple threads and groups. Some of the posts appeared before mine and I wasted my time answering posts to which I thought
nobody else had responded.

I assume it's time-based, but the posts that are excluded appear to be arbitrary from my perspective. Why would anybody want to
use a setting that could, and probably will, prevent them from downloading arbitrary posts without providing any indication that
they are not viewing a thread in its entirety?

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the
whole thing is screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose
evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling,
when supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did,
until now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how
could I get it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server since you may only cancel messages from your
own email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options.
The "Reset" button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm concerned that I might lose all of my "watched"
messages. Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE
docs but I couldn't find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it fixes this problem without losing those message that I am
"watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I
don't see any other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it
should appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters, with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'? With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like 'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence' should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

300 is just the default. As I download just the headers (and the content
only when I am interested - i.e. actually when I read a note), it doesn't
bother me that much to get everything. Despite the fact that I didn't loose
anything because I always used the 'get next xxx', it annoyed me for a long
time until I discovered the settings as you did...

I created a view that hide all ignored notes and ignore unimportant news
asap, so they do not even appear on the list next time I download a bunch of
headers.

/LM

Hi Luc,

My concern is not whether there is more to download, but if there is more
to download for any particular thread. What is the point of knowing that
there is more to download without knowing if the remaining posts are part
of threads that you are reading. In other words, you have to download
everything just to be safe anyway.

Do you use that setting or do you know of anyone who uses it purposefully?
If so, how do they know when they are viewing partial threads?

IMO that setting should be off by default and I obviously question its
value regardless.

--
Dave Sexton

Actually I think you have visual cues at the bottom of the panel that
state how much is left on the board like '725 messages, 100 read, 425
pending' (not sure about the exact wording, but that should hint you that
there is more to download).

/LM

Hi All,

I stumbled upon why I couldn't see Jon's OP, on accident. It's a
ridiculous setting in OE that I had no idea existed, so it turns out
that I didn't delete his post

Tools --> Options, Read, Get n headers at a time (checked, 300 by
default)

I found out that there were several messages that I hadn't ever seen
after unchecking that option, including Jon's, spanning multiple threads
and groups. Some of the posts appeared before mine and I wasted my time
answering posts to which I thought nobody else had responded.

I assume it's time-based, but the posts that are excluded appear to be
arbitrary from my perspective. Why would anybody want to use a setting
that could, and probably will, prevent them from downloading arbitrary
posts without providing any indication that they are not viewing a
thread in its entirety?

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will
loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole thing is
screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is
to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and
cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when
supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in
the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I
don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how could I get
it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server
since you may only cancel messages from your own email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up
now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The "Reset"
button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm
concerned that I might lose all of my "watched" messages.
Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will
behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE docs but I couldn't
find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it
fixes this problem without losing those message that I am "watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's
post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I don't see any
other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one
who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the
incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters,
with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'?
With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like
'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence'
should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when
it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

300 is just the default. As I download just the headers (and the content
only when I am interested - i.e. actually when I read a note), it doesn't
bother me that much to get everything. Despite the fact that I didn't loose
anything because I always used the 'get next xxx', it annoyed me for a long
time until I discovered the settings as you did...

I created a view that hide all ignored notes and ignore unimportant news
asap, so they do not even appear on the list next time I download a bunch of
headers.

/LM

Hi Luc,

My concern is not whether there is more to download, but if there is more
to download for any particular thread. What is the point of knowing that
there is more to download without knowing if the remaining posts are part
of threads that you are reading. In other words, you have to download
everything just to be safe anyway.

Do you use that setting or do you know of anyone who uses it purposefully?
If so, how do they know when they are viewing partial threads?

IMO that setting should be off by default and I obviously question its
value regardless.

--
Dave Sexton

Actually I think you have visual cues at the bottom of the panel that
state how much is left on the board like '725 messages, 100 read, 425
pending' (not sure about the exact wording, but that should hint you that
there is more to download).

/LM

Hi All,

I stumbled upon why I couldn't see Jon's OP, on accident. It's a
ridiculous setting in OE that I had no idea existed, so it turns out
that I didn't delete his post

Tools --> Options, Read, Get n headers at a time (checked, 300 by
default)

I found out that there were several messages that I hadn't ever seen
after unchecking that option, including Jon's, spanning multiple threads
and groups. Some of the posts appeared before mine and I wasted my time
answering posts to which I thought nobody else had responded.

I assume it's time-based, but the posts that are excluded appear to be
arbitrary from my perspective. Why would anybody want to use a setting
that could, and probably will, prevent them from downloading arbitrary
posts without providing any indication that they are not viewing a
thread in its entirety?

--
Dave Sexton

I am afraid the 'reset' button is a last chance strong medecine and will
loose any watch/ignore/etc... I only use it when the whole thing is
screwed beyond hope ; it is close to unsubscribing and re-subscribing.

If you deleted the header from your list, the only recovery possible is
to unsubscribe/re-subscribe, but then you loose evertything.

/LM

Hi,

Great idea. However, your post is just floating alone.

I did some searching and found out that you can delete posts and
cancel posts. Deleting removes them from OE and canceling, when
supported, removes the post from the news server. I have done both in
the past but I wasn't exactly sure what either did, until now.

Now, if I deleted his post (what a strange circumstance, given that I
don't go around deleting other peoples posts in OE), how could I get
it back? Apparently it has not been cancelled from the news server
since you may only cancel messages from your own email address.

If I go to Tools --> Options, Maintenance tab, and click the "Clean up
now..." button, I'm presented with multiple options. The "Reset"
button in particular looks like it might get his post back but I'm
concerned that I might lose all of my "watched" messages.
Unfortunately, it is unclear to me whether the "Reset" button will
behave nicely. I searched news groups and the OE docs but I couldn't
find any information that gave a definitive answer.

Windows XP SP2
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Can you confirm whether I can use the "Reset" button to see if it
fixes this problem without losing those message that I am "watching"?

If not then I'm just going to assume that I accidentally deleted Jon's
post. Although I find that really hard to believe, I don't see any
other possibility. Especially since it seems that I'm the only one
who doesn't see it.

Thanks for the help.

--
Dave Sexton

For Dave Sexton: the best I can think of is to reply to the
incriminated 'reply'. If you (Dave Sexton) see this reply, it should
appear as a reply to the note you can't see...

After this, I run out of ideas.

/LM


Jules wrote:

how do I describe a string consisting of any number of characters,
with
an optional (but unique when occuring) end-of-line expression '/'?
With
groups if possible, as in "(?<sentence>.*(?<eos>[^\\][\\]{1}$)?)"

Say I have the phrase 'My Taylor is /' as input; I'd like
'sentence'
and 'eos' to match.

Now if I have 'My Taylor is //' or 'My Taylor is / ', 'sentence'
should
match, but not 'eos'. In other words, 'eos' should match only when
it
occurs once, and last, in the string.

(?<sentence> .* [^/] ) (?<eos> / ) $

RegexOptions.IgnorePattermWhitespace

The sentence group may not end with a "/", and the eos group must be
the last character.

 

[Dave Sexton]

Hi Luc,

300 is just the default. As I download just the headers (and the content only when I am interested - i.e. actually when I read a
note), it doesn't bother me that much to get everything. Despite the fact that I didn't loose anything because I always used the
'get next xxx', it annoyed me for a long time until I discovered the settings as you did...

I only synchronize headers as well, but I don't see any "get next xxx" command. Anyway, I don't think it's worth saving the disk
space if the integrity of interesting threads is compromised. I just download it all now.

I created a view that hide all ignored notes and ignore unimportant news asap, so they do not even appear on the list next time I
download a bunch of headers.

View sounds like a good idea.

I just started working on my own program called SNAP (Syndicated News Aggregation Program) that will aggregate news and rss/atom
feeds into a rich-client app built on .NET 2.0. I'm designing/writing SNAP to learn about rss, atom and nntp and to provide a
program that I can use to be more efficient responding to community posts. The program will therefore target participants of the
community that frequently respond to others inquiries and commonly include segments of code.

Once I get my blog up and running (might be a couple more months), I'll post the alpha for download, considering that it's ready by
then.
Here are some of the features I'm thinking about implementing for the first release:

- The aggregation of feeds and news will be based on a high-level categorization and rules filtering structure that I want to make
completely customizable
- Responses to news-based items can be prepared automatically in one of four ways: Template, In-Line, Top-Response, Bottom-Response
- Code will be special in the response editor to include font and color formatting, but posted with regards to the compatibility of
text-based readers
- Code formatting will be extensible so you can plug-in your own templates for languages that don't have built-in support (I will
only support basic C# formatting)
- Partial download of headers to save disc space, but it will be smart so that "watched" categories and threads will always be
completely downloaded (I fear that nntp might fall short here, but I still have to do some research)
- Configurable ZIP archiving

- The program will not include support for e-mail.

Are there any features that you would like to see in a news and rss/atom aggregation program that you can't find anywhere else?

 

[Luc E. Mistiaen]

All that sounds good, but we are getting dangerously out-of-topic!

/LM

 

[Dave Sexton]

dangerously?

--
Dave Sexton

All that sounds good, but we are getting dangerously out-of-topic!

/LM