Recovery CD

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unclepeteDEL

I was looking at a large download from Lenovo for making a recovery CD
and system that would keep up with your current system rather than
revert to the original installation. This would seem to be an important
thing to have, but 500mb on dial-up?

But I see a lot of different CDs our there, many of which I suspect are
mere revert-to-last-year disks. Can someone bring me up to speed on
handling all this?

JimL
 
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Mistoffolees

I was looking at a large download from Lenovo for making a recovery CD
and system that would keep up with your current system rather than
revert to the original installation. This would seem to be an important
thing to have, but 500mb on dial-up?

But I see a lot of different CDs our there, many of which I suspect are
mere revert-to-last-year disks. Can someone bring me up to speed on
handling all this?

JimL

Succinctly, there are several options but getting a recovery
CD or the OEM-branded version of Windows XP for a particular
make is probably still the best. The other options include
making a disc image of the system using TrueImage, Ghost, etc.,
to slip-streaming SP2 and other updates into the Windows XP
cdrom that was originally provided with the computer.

And as for trying to download 500 MB via dial-up, forget it.
Find a broadband connection, including taking advantage of
wirless whilst sipping coffee at a local Starbucks or wherever.
Preferably, this should be an *.ISO file that can then be burned
into a regular CD-R or DVD-R.
 
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unclepeteDEL

Mistoffolees said:
Succinctly, there are several options but getting a recovery CD or the
OEM-branded version of Windows XP for a particular make is probably
still the best.

Do these give you the one thing I'm asking about - the ability to
restore updated systems with added applications, etc., etc.? Going back
to the initial installation is not an option I'm looking for.

Thanks

Jim L via the eCS 1.2r version of OS/2
 
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Shenan Stanley

unclepete said:
I was looking at a large download from Lenovo for making a recovery
CD and system that would keep up with your current system rather
than revert to the original installation. This would seem to be an
important thing to have, but 500mb on dial-up?

But I see a lot of different CDs our there, many of which I suspect
are mere revert-to-last-year disks. Can someone bring me up to
speed on handling all this?

A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their system
so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a reinstall..
I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would be worthless to
do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically updating the image
backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the time you use it
(something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to be more trouble than
performing a full install of the operating system and all applications.

Having said my part against it, you can clone/backup your hard drive
completely using many methods - by far the simplest are using disk cloning
applications:

Symantec/Norton Ghost
http://snipurl.com/13e00

Acronis True Image
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

BootIt™ NG
http://terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
 
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GHalleck

Do these give you the one thing I'm asking about - the ability to
restore updated systems with added applications, etc., etc.? Going back
to the initial installation is not an option I'm looking for.

Thanks

Jim L via the eCS 1.2r version of OS/2

This question about the contents of its recovery CD can only be
answered by Lenovo.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Shenan said:
A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their
system so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a
reinstall.. I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it would
be worthless to do for MOST people. Unless you plan on periodically
updating the image backup of your system (remaking it) - then by the
time you use it (something goes wrong) - it will be so outdated as to
be more trouble than performing a full install of the operating
system and all applications.


I agree with what you say, except that I don't understand why you seemingly
suggest that someone would *not* periodically recreate the image. Just as
with any other backup regimen, if you don't do it regularly, it becomes less
and less valuable as time goes on, and eventually becomes worthless.

There are many possible backup schemes, but I think one of the *best* for
most people is doing exactly what you recommend against--but ensuring that
you do it regularly. My personal backup scheme uses two identical removable
hard drives. I alternate between the two, and use Acronis True Image to make
a complete copy of the primary drive.
 
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Shenan Stanley

Shenan said:
A lot of people have wondered about how to completely backup their
system so that they would not have to go through the trouble of a
reinstall.. I'm going to voice my opinion here and say that it
would be worthless to do for MOST people. Unless you plan on
periodically updating the image backup of your system (remaking
it) - then by the time you use it (something goes wrong) - it will
be so outdated as to be more trouble than performing a full
install of the operating system and all applications.

I agree with what you say, except that I don't understand why you
seemingly suggest that someone would *not* periodically recreate
the image. Just as with any other backup regimen, if you don't do
it regularly, it becomes less and less valuable as time goes on,
and eventually becomes worthless.
There are many possible backup schemes, but I think one of the
*best* for most people is doing exactly what you recommend
against--but ensuring that you do it regularly. My personal backup
scheme uses two identical removable hard drives. I alternate
between the two, and use Acronis True Image to make a complete copy
of the primary drive.

I say it the way I do from experience with people.

In order to do an exact image of your system - well - that takes time.
That is not something easily scheduled to be done automatically for you.
People can get into backups now because it does not take attention, it
probably doesn't even take time away from their computer.

I agree - 100% - the most effective backup would be a image backup
periodically done and supplemented with data backups done more frequently.
In this way - a restore is simply restoring the last image and then
restoring the last good backup of data. Wonderful.

The problem is not the method - the problem is the nature of people and the
commonness of treating your computer like a toaster. The only reason I
recommend against it is that - in my experience - people will not take the
time to do it properly.

They'll image it - sure. A select few might do it for a week or two - maybe
a month. But then the majority of people doing it will fall off - thinking
this takes too much time. Some will fall off and not even know it and then
when something does happen and they think to themselves... "That's okay - I
made an image of it!" and they apply the image they made 8 months before or
last February... Where's all their stuff? Where's that $400 copy of Adobe
Photoshop they installed?

My dislike for the method has NOTHING to do with the method and everything
to do with experienced human nature. I agree - it is the best method
available when done periodically and combined with a proper scheduled data
backup to (more frequent...) I do this myself - not so much as I used to
with servers - as backup software has improved to bare-metal restores and
the likes - but I still do it with my own workstations and for those I
directly support.

If I could find a happy medium - where one could do a image backup and
combine that with a files backup and the human factor would - IMHO - not
throw a wrench in the works - I would begin recommending it - but that last
part is the one that has me still scratching my head. I'll listen to advice
about new products that can take full images of a system on a schedule -
reliably - if anyone can give it... But so far - my testing hasn't proven
any of them capable of such a feat... I can (and expect to) be proven wrong
at some point. If it is now - so be it. =) That's better for everyone.
 
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Stan Brown

Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:55:44 -0600 from Shenan Stanley
I agree - 100% - the most effective backup would be a image backup
periodically done and supplemented with data backups done more frequently.
In this way - a restore is simply restoring the last image and then
restoring the last good backup of data. Wonderful.

The problem is not the method - the problem is the nature of people and the
commonness of treating your computer like a toaster.

I'm living proof -- I use Acronis for periodic full backups and more-
frequent incremental (mostly "data") backups.

But... even knowing how important backups are, I find my practice has
slipped. My original plan was full backups weekly and incremental
daily. My actual practice is incremental backups weekly, give or
take, and full backups once or twice a month.

I am probably one of the more rigidly organized folks here. (pause
for shocked gasps) Yet Shenan has *exactly* nailed my behavior. If
I'm that lackadaisical about backups, imagine the tendency of less
rigidly organized folks to give backups short shrift.
 
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unclepeteDEL

Ken Blake said:
My personal backup scheme uses two identical removable
hard drives. I alternate between the two, and use Acronis True Image to
make a complete copy of the primary drive.

I like the idea, but how do you transfer between them? An external
drive connection?

Jim L
 
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unclepeteDEL

Stan Brown said:
My original plan was full backups weekly and incremental
daily. My actual practice is incremental backups weekly, give or take,
and full backups once or twice a month.

This is almost off my original topic, but is it possible to zip a boot
partition, format it and unzip the contents back? Or are some things
too position specific to do that sort of thing?

One thing about it, where it works it is the perfect defragmenter.

Jim L
 

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