recording from my tuntable to computer

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hello group
I had a question,I like to record my old 33 rpm records directly to my
computer (windows xp) to use it for my ipot
now I do it very comlex way .first I burn it on a cd and then I copy
the music in de computer and read it via itunes to the ipot.
is there a better way (like a black? box between tne turntable and my
computer to do it on a simple way
greetings jpvanderweele rotterdam holland
 
jp said:
hello group
I had a question,I like to record my old 33 rpm records directly to my
computer (windows xp) to use it for my ipot
now I do it very comlex way .first I burn it on a cd and then I copy
the music in de computer and read it via itunes to the ipot.
is there a better way (like a black? box between tne turntable and my
computer to do it on a simple way
greetings jpvanderweele rotterdam holland
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I cannot comment on the conversion from anything into an ipod format.
But I do know about the analog part of your chain. You will always get a
better transfer off the LP if you use a high-quality phono preamp ahead
of the computer. The quality that's gained by amplifying the signal from
the phonograph cartridge properly will be most evident on classical
music. On the other hand, for commercial popular music, the quality
probably won't be noticed. The wrong way to do this is to plug the
output from the turntable directly into the computer, except, of course,
if you have one of those rare turntables that came with a preamp built
into the turntable itseld (I've seen a few European Lenco turntables
made that way).

Richard
 
Hi!


I heard a good method.


Turntable, off course (possibly a very good one).
Recorded to a 38cm/s Tape (making good harmonic distortions, called K3)
And then a CD-Recorder (probably Philips) recording from tape to CD-R
with special A/D converter Chips.

The Computer is unusable for recordings. A good old Tape would make
better results. Why spending so much money and energy in such a small
task?

Well, the above I told, is also not small ;-) but at least very well.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
Daniel said:
Hi!


I heard a good method.


Turntable, off course (possibly a very good one).
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Off course?
Recorded to a 38cm/s Tape (making good harmonic distortions, called K3)
And then a CD-Recorder (probably Philips) recording from tape to CD-R
with special A/D converter Chips.
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The use of tape as an intermediate stage will add noise, even at 38 cm/s
(7 1/2 inches per second). This assumes, too, that your analog tape deck
is in good condition and that you've got excellent tape to work with,
and that the tape is matched to the machine's bias current adjustment.
But you'll still need a phono preamp to boost the magnetic cartridge's
signal in order to feed it into the tape machine's normal inputs. Why
not just take the output from the same phono preamp and run it into the
computer?
The Computer is unusable for recordings. A good old Tape would make
better results. Why spending so much money and energy in such a small
task?
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We're assuming that the computer has junky sound circuitry. But with a
good audio card, I think we'd have a much better shot.

Some people swear that they're getting good recordings by feeding the
magnetic phono cartridge directly into the computer's inputs. Perhaps
these people have strange hearing. And pigs fly.

Richard
 
Hello,
I had a question,I like to record my old 33 rpm records directly
to my computer (windows xp) to use it for my ipot now I do it very
comlex way .first I burn it on a cd and then I copy the music in
de computer and read it via itunes to the ipot. is there a better
way (like a black? box between tne turntable and my computer to do
it on a simple way
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thre a several problems with this wish. I myself recorded some
rare stuff, and it's a lot of work. Really a lot of work.

First the question, how to connect phono to your computer. As
usually you need a special "preamp" there are two choices, buy
this "preamp" (there are special ones for computer use, but they
are a bit expensive) or plug your phono into your amplifier and
connect from tape output to computer. This will lower quality a
bit of course.

Then you have to record on computer, try the links jmatt delivered.
(Alternatively: I use "ALC-Record"*, but that is german only. Maybe
"Encounter"** or "Audacity"***.) And do some editing stuff, cutting
into tracks, cleaning noise (is there useable freeware for this?)
etc.

Best is to record to wav, edit and then convert everything to a
_high_ quality mp3. A lot of work, this needs to be saved. Use
mp3 for your iPod. To save place on this, maybe another
conversion to a lower quality mp3 would help, but you should
backup the high quality ones (or burn audio cd directly from wav).

Regards,
Thorsten

* http://www.kabelmax.de/
** http://waschbusch.com/
*** http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
 
Thorsten said:
First the question, how to connect phono to your computer. As
usually you need a special "preamp" there are two choices, buy
this "preamp" (there are special ones for computer use, but they
are a bit expensive) or plug your phono into your amplifier and
connect from tape output to computer. This will lower quality a
bit of course.
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I agree with everything that Thorsten said with one exception.
Excellent-quality stereo components, such as _the better brands of _
receivers or integrated amplifiers will blow away any phono preamps sold
specifically for computer recordings. Audiophile preamps and some
professional preamps, of course, are the best.

Boosting the signal from a magnetic phono cartridge, and doing it
properly, is pretty tricky -- most popular-type products use an
off-the-shelf preamp integrated circuit that delivers mediocre
performance. For the last 25 years or so, this has been an essential
difference between common brands and the discreet components used in
audiophile products. However, as I said in my other post, if all you're
doing is dubbing popular music, especially "top 40" material, you may
not hear any benefit from using excellent equipment for this. I'm not
just being a snob -- the nature of the music is such that it's easy to
reproduce. Classical music, because of its wide ranges, places great
demands on the system.

Richard
 
Richard said:
I agree with everything that Thorsten said with one exception.
Excellent-quality stereo components, such as _the better brands of _
receivers or integrated amplifiers will blow away any phono preamps sold
specifically for computer recordings. Audiophile preamps and some
professional preamps, of course, are the best.

Boosting the signal from a magnetic phono cartridge, and doing it
properly, is pretty tricky -- most popular-type products use an
off-the-shelf preamp integrated circuit that delivers mediocre
performance. For the last 25 years or so, this has been an essential
difference between common brands and the discreet components used in
audiophile products. However, as I said in my other post, if all you're
doing is dubbing popular music, especially "top 40" material, you may
not hear any benefit from using excellent equipment for this. I'm not
just being a snob -- the nature of the music is such that it's easy to
reproduce. Classical music, because of its wide ranges, places great
demands on the system.

Richard
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Allthe above is fine. I recorded many records to my computer then burned
them to cd. You do need to go to the computer if you want to clean up
the recording (clicks especially). Then it is just a matter of
converting the wav to mp3 with something like cdx

http://cd-to-mp3.audiolaunch.com/cd-ripper/

and moving that to your ipod.

GA
 
jp said:
hello group
I had a question,I like to record my old 33 rpm records directly to my
computer
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See my dandies below.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
Allthe above is fine. I recorded many records to my computer then burned
them to cd. You do need to go to the computer if you want to clean up
the recording (clicks especially). Then it is just a matter of
converting the wav to mp3 with something like cdx

http://cd-to-mp3.audiolaunch.com/cd-ripper/

and moving that to your ipod.
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If the end goal is creating mp3's, then you may as well go with the
cheapest alternative. the quality of mp3's is inherently substandard.


--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
unless there are three other people.
 
Hy,
If the end goal is creating mp3's, then you may as well go with
the cheapest alternative. the quality of mp3's is inherently
substandard.
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oh, my ears are not made to spot the difference. It's a matter
of quality setting, okay, also kind of music etc. I'm not talking
about 96 kbs shit downloads P2P from stupid bastards.

By the way, Richard is right, I was a bit quickly typing at this
point.

Regards,
Thorsten
 
Thorsten said:
By the way, Richard is right, I was a bit quickly typing at this
point.

Regards,
Thorsten
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You typed well.

I just want to mention that the PC is not the best stuff for digitizing
analog.
Maybe a very good A/D D/A PCI card can make good results, but this
things are very expensive and far far away from freeware. On the other
hand you will still have the chirring from the PCI bus recorded :-(
I never heard harmonic digital-distortions, but I like very much the
magnetic distortion which is always harmonic. E.g. you have a tape in a
very bad condition with more noise than data, you will still hear
something. With digital it can be possible that you hear nothing at
all. This also goes with Video, even you have shadows, noise, false
colors etc etc... but you will still hear and see a little bit.

O.K. I know, JP just wants to know of a freeware solution.

As you said: A good preamp will do. Connecting to the Soundcard - and
recording to WAV. And then (if needed) rendering to other dig formats.

But do not underestimate the system on the Headshell. I think this is
more hearable than the preamp. But as analog is, every part is
responsible for a good result.
I would make it with the best parts I can get. The .wav I have then,
can last for a long time, backing it up regularly! :-)

Good luck.



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: Timing is lost. That?s only present when you listen from 33rpm or
a Compact Disc, which is not so digital as many people think! It?s more
like a sample, then.
 
Richard said:
The use of tape as an intermediate stage will add noise, even at 38
cm/s (7 1/2 inches per second). This assumes, too, that your analog
tape deck is in good condition and that you've got excellent tape to
work with, and that the tape is matched to the machine's bias current
adjustment. But you'll still need a phono preamp to boost the
magnetic cartridge's signal in order to feed it into the tape
machine's normal inputs. Why not just take the output from the same
phono preamp and run it into the computer?
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Yeah, it will add K3 distortion. I have not said that this intermediate
stage is making better quality. It´s just other. :-)
Noise? Recorded with Dolby A or Dolby SR I am PRETTY sure that there is
less noise than a computer can record with those Micky Maus cables.
Well, a 24bit DAT with 96Khz Sampling rate has a better noise-to-signal
ratio than a fast tape (depends also to the taste of the listener).
Frq-Range is the same (about 40khz). And, Dolby SR equipped
tape-machines make no noise. However, magnetic-dolby, sounds fatter and
deeper (more quiet, as there are no dig-distortions) and is "more than
enough" noiseless.

Everything numbers.... I believe what I see and what I hear.
Some people swear that they're getting good recordings by feeding the
magnetic phono cartridge directly into the computer's inputs. Perhaps
these people have strange hearing. And pigs fly.

Richard
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:-)



Where is 32 bit Sound?? Where is (real) 32bit gfx???
So much talking about 64bit computering..... Nothing seems to be
changed. Again MP3 and consorts.
Again 16bit sound, and again 24bit gfx. Poor, poor... But also good :-)

I don´t need a damned chopping chip between the source and my hearing.
But for the matter of diversity.... O.K.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic
 
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