Recommended Size for XP OS Partition ?

M

Magnusfarce

I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

- Magnusfarce
 
J

John Doe

Magnusfarce said:
I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive
(Raptor) and would like some advice on the size of the partition
for the OS. How much room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells
and whistles? I plan to put my major apps on the remaining
partition. TIA

Why not install it and find out.

I guess you don't have a disk manager. Still, you can use FDISK. Does
it take that long to format the disk? I guess you have to do that every
time you make a partition with FDISK. It's been ages and I don't miss
it one tiny bit. A disk manager opens up a whole new world.

Have fun.
 
B

Bill's Dead

Magnusfarce said:
I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put
my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

- Magnusfarce
I recommend partitioning the whole thing as one drive. With NTFS it doesn't
make a rat's ass of difference anyway.
 
M

Magnusfarce

Thanks. I could do it that way, but does XP need room to grow, and if so,
how much? And beyond that, how much, if any, excess room should their be on
the partition?

- Magnusfarce
 
B

BP

Magnusfarce said:
I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put
my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

- Magnusfarce
If I recall correctly, XP takes up 1.5GB on a fresh install. But grows with
updates. My guess would be in the 5-10GB range.
You would also want to install your applications that are OS dependent on
that same drive. Some apps are very insistent on going on the C: drive
and/or in the Program Files folder or they act weird. If you had to
reinstall the OS you would have to reinstall the apps anyway, regardless of
where they are. That's a personal decision: how many apps do you install? So
you want to make that primary partition large enough to accommodate all, in
that case.
My C: drive is 50GB. So my advice is: 50GB.
 
R

Ray Cassick \(Home\)

My C drive is 189Gig and even with WinXP Pro SP2 (all the updates to date)
and ALL My apps (Visual Studio, MSDN, Office 2003, etc...) I am still at
167Gig free space.
 
J

John Doe

Magnusfarce said:
Thanks. I could do it that way, but does XP need room to grow,
and if so, how much? And beyond that, how much, if any, excess
room should their be on the partition?

With a disk manager, all of those problems (and more) will
disappear.

Either Partition Manager or PartitionMagic. I have both. Quit
messing around with partitioned sizes and free yourself. A disk
manager is like a file manager (Windows Explorer) for your hard
drive. If you do lots of data manipulation, its value is immense. I
don't even use this computer for work and I wouldn't be without a
disk manager. Remember to always keep backup copies of any important
files.

For what it's worth.
You can also use a disk manager for making hidden copies of Windows.
That can be extremely useful. In Windows XP, what works for me is
keeping the working partition in the first position on the hard
drive. I also delete the contents of BOOT.INI before making the first
copy. It's marvelous for doing incremental installations and like for
having a backup Windows in case you get a virus and don't want to
mess with it. Besides any program data files (if possible, your data
should be sent to another partition in the first place), you just
copy out Favorites and stuff before doing a restore (then you copy
those things back after the restore).
 
J

John Doe

By the way. Avoid messing with unnecessary partitions. Not because
programs cannot cope, but because it tends to cause problems with
shortcuts. The only thing I have other partitions for is data, to make
reinstalling/restoring Windows and copying out important files easier.
One partition is 4.7GB to match my DVD writer and the other partition
is 256MB to match my flash drive. I think that makes casually backing
things up (without using a backup program) significantly easier. So
far, so good.
 
J

John Doe

Ray Cassick \(Home\) said:
My C drive is 189Gig and even with WinXP Pro SP2 (all the updates
to date) and ALL My apps (Visual Studio, MSDN, Office 2003,
etc...) I am still at 167Gig free space.

That's believable and amusing IMO.

What's all them gigabytes for? Downloaded multimedia! I guess
anyway, unless the user is a graphics artist or database operator.

I installed Windows 95 and AOL on a 42MB (that's "megabyte") hard
drive. Surprisingly, Windows hasn't kept up with hard drive size.
 
H

hdrdtd

If you're looking at a Raptor, it'll depend partially on which raptor you
choose and what you're going to use your system for.

Raptors come in two sizes, 36gig and 74gig.

If you're looking at the 74gig Raptor, and you're not going to do anything
fancy with it, then it would make sense to partition it.

However, if you're looking at the 36gig Raptor, once you create a 10gig or
so partition for windows, that only gives you 26gig for your data partition,
but then again perhaps that's enough for your needs.

with the cost of drives these days, I would choose a 36gig raptor for
Windows and programs, and a seperate HD )your choice of sizes) for your
data.

An additional benifit of two drives, is that fromtime to time you can create
an image of your boot drive and store it on the second drive 'just in case'
your boot drive fails.

One thing to keep in mind when choosing the size of your windows partition
(assuming your going to install your programs under 'program files' and keep
your data on the second hd/partition) is the increasing size of programs
these days. Especially if you're into games. It's not unusual at all for the
newer games to take 2-5gigs of programs space EACH.

Either way, I don't thing I would use anything less than 10gig for the
Windows partition.

But then again, I'm a person that uses a 74gig Raptor for my boot drive and
for Windows/programs, along with two other HD's to store data, a 300gig and
a 400gig.
 
J

Jim

FWIW, I use BootIt NG to manage my multiple OS installations, partitioning,
and imaging. Most importantly, I do NOT mix OS files w/ my DATA files! I
maintain anywhere from 8-16GB for XP, just depends on how many applications
you use. You also want room for defragging. But the key is keeping the
DATA files off the OS partition, for several reasons.

First, your OS is essentially expendable, if it should fail to boot or be
corrupted, catch a virus, whatever, you can always rebuild it. At worst,
it's an inconvenience. In contrast, my DATA files are NOT expendable,
losing them would be a disaster. Because the OS and DATA exhibit different
characteristics, by keeping them separate, you can optimize each
differently, according to what makes mose sense.

For example, the OS is small, lean and mean. I currently have the OS on a
pair of RAID0 (stripped) PATA drive using a Promise FastTrak100 TX2 PCI
controller (2 x 160GB = 320GB capacity). My XP partition is 16GB NTFS.
Because I keep it small, I can use the remaining space for other OS
installations, or even the storing of image copies at the high end of the
HD. By not keeping DATA files w/ the OS, the time it takes to image copy or
even just copy a partition is minimal. And I can restore old OS images
without impacting my DATA files. If I want to have multiple instances of
XP, it's a trivial exercise, and again, I have no DATA file issues since
each OS installation can access the shared DATA partition.

As far as the DATA partition, I keep that on another pair of HDs (2 x
250GB), using RAID1 (mirroring), same FastTrak controller. That's just one
big partition. It's usually FAT32 so that I can share the DATA partition w/
more OS installations (some don't support NTFS). For larger than 4GB files,
I may create a small "working" NTFS partition, such as for DVD rips. I'll
store the few >4GB files I have on external storage.

The key, IMO, to good organization is recognizing that the OS and DATA files
should never be mixed. Your typical OEM systems comes shipped this way, but
merely for the convenience of the retailer. It's a TERRIBLE way to organize
your system long-term. When you mix these two very different types of
files, you create all kinds of problems and limitations on your management
options. As you can see, by separating them, I now have tremendous
flexibility. I can use different formats, sizes, RAID, etc., for OS vs.
DATA. I can schedule vastly different types of backup jobs too. I can
image/restore the OS in a mere minutes (I never use XP's built-in restore
for this reason, I have no need, and frankly, I don't know what it really
does or what its limitations might be), and most importantly, w/o impacting
my DATA. Likewise, I can manage my DATA without any impact to the OS, I can
change format, size, even HD.

HTH

Jim
 
S

Stephen

I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

- Magnusfarce

I have a Raptor 36GB with XP Pro w/sp2 and all my programs on it with
about 20GB left over.

Stephen
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J

John Weiss

Magnusfarce said:
I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

My XP Pro installation takes up 6.4 GB right now. That includes swap file and
any [portions of] apps that install themselves on the boot drive without option.

I would at least double that to allow room for growth and defragging. My boot
partition is 19.5 GB.
 
J

John Weiss

Bill's Dead said:
I recommend partitioning the whole thing as one drive. With NTFS it doesn't
make a rat's ass of difference anyway.

It does when you have to restore all your data after reformatting/re-installing
the boot partition...
 
J

John Weiss

Jim said:
FWIW, I use BootIt NG to manage my multiple OS installations, partitioning,
and imaging. Most importantly, I do NOT mix OS files w/ my DATA files!

Do you also relocate your Outlook/OE files and other data that apps try to store
in the "Application Data" folder?
 
T

The Outsider

I want to place my OS on a partitioned small, fast hard drive (Raptor) and
would like some advice on the size of the partition for the OS. How much
room do I need for XP Pro and all its bells and whistles? I plan to put my
major apps on the remaining partition. TIA

- Magnusfarce

You will get better disk performance with just one partiton, then
install a second HDD as one partiton too. You can backup your data
safely to the second HDD.
 
J

Jim

John Weiss said:
Do you also relocate your Outlook/OE files and other data that apps try to store
in the "Application Data" folder?

Great question, because as we all know, and for reasons that remain a
mystery, MS makes management of OE data a royal pain in the arse. God knows
why MS can't store the data, profiles, etc., in a format that would
facilitate backup and relocation. Nope, they make it as convoluted as
possible. I'm aware there are third-party apps/gimics, but the fact they
exist at all is a testament to how bad OE is constructed.

That said, I only use OE for NGs! I use web-based email, specifically
Yahoo! Mail, for several reasons. First, I like the idea of being able to
access my mail ANYWHERE I might happen to be. Second, I like the idea of
placing the backup burdens on someone else, in this case, Yahoo. Third, OE
is a virus *factory*. I've been using Windows since 3.0, and have NEVER,
EVER had a virus. One reason being that I avoid the most deadly avenues for
attack, like OE, it's attachments, even Word docs and potential macro-based
viruses. Finally, it makes my backups that much easier.

In a nutshell, I avoid OE as much as possible. But I do have to admit that
I like its NG management compared to other tools, which is the ONLY reason I
continue to use it. Since I consider NG data to be far more expendable than
my email (afterall, I can use web-based NG readers as well), it's not a big
deal if I lost my NGs (a bit of a pain, but I'll live to see another day).
What I will do, however, is use the File and Settings Transfer utility to
make a backup of OE. Seems to work VERY well, and only takes maybe 3-4
minutes to complete the task. If I want to return to a prior incarnation of
the OS, I'll make that OE backup to a shared data partition, reboot and
restore the old OS, then run the File and Setting Transfer wizard again to
restore OE. So far it's worked out well.

That's why I always say there are exceptions. There are other programs here
and there that insist on maintaining their data on the OS partition as well,
usually under the relevant Program Files folder. But most are small and
manageable. For example, my third-party scheduler, System Scheduler from
Splinterware, maintains its own Events folder, which is nothing but a set of
INI files that describe the 30 or so scheduled events I run. I use Centered
Systems Second Copy to make periodic backups of these types of files to
another partition. These backups are triggered every couple hours. If I
know I'm about to reboot and restore, I'll run ALL the Second Copy backups
just prior. When I then restore an old OS, I'll synchronize the saved
Second Copy backups back to the C: partition, and I'm back in business. I'd
do the same thing w/ OE if only it allowed me to backup from a batch process
or use Second Copy. But as I stated initially, OE makes management of its
data very difficult, so the File and Settings wizard is admittedly an
exceptional case.

Btw, one other thing I strongly recommend -- KEEP A LOG OF CHANGES! Many
ppl worry about the hassles of imaging and restoring their OS because
they've made numerous changes to the OS over time. This may include desktop
shortcuts, registry optimizations, and various other tweaks. In order to
minimize the impact of a restored OS, I keep a log of changes, even minor
ones. Then, if I do restore an old OS, I examine the log and reapply those
changes (sometimes I don't if I subsequently decide the change was not to my
liking). I'm in the habit of NOT employing lots of needless changes to the
OS, such as WindowBlinds (schemes) anf tweaks. While they may be nice to
have, they make loss of the OS or restoration just that more complex. I
keep it SIMPLE and as close to the original installation as
possible/practical. IOW, I have less to lose and regret if I never had the
feature/change in the first place :) In other cases, I use .reg files for
must-have registry changes and store them in a batch file for easy
reapplication.

Jim
 
J

JAD

all that typing because you don't know how to compact files in OE?


MOst if not all email is accessable from the web OR oe
 
J

JAD

The Outsider said:
You will get better disk performance with just one partiton, then
install a second HDD as one partiton too. You can backup your data
safely to the second HDD.

Where do you get this crap from?
 

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