Re: How to scan Instamatic / 126 slides

[Bob AZ]

 I've finally found a scanner which will

accept these and let me scan the whole thing, and not crop it to 23mm
one way or the other.

It's an Epson Perfection 1670 photo flatbed.  Not anything obscure, and
not even very obsolete.

Andy

Congratulations.

My Nikon film scanners will also do this. I usually use a Nikon
LS4500AF scanner.

Bob AZ

 

[Rob]

I've finally found a scanner which will

Andy

Congratulations.

My Nikon film scanners will also do this. I usually use a Nikon
LS4500AF scanner.

Bob AZ

Bob,
I have the Nikon LS4000Ed. This will scan 126 with the FH-3 adaptor (As I
presume you use) but FILMSCAN USA do a nice adaptor for 126 and, one for 110
film which I am currently scanning, it works a treat. I also have and Epson
V700 and have scanned odd sizes with that but not as good as the Nikon

Eddie

Thats an interesting point. I have a Minolta Multi pro Up to the 6x7
which does all these things, but have been offered a V700 and want it
for my 6x17 film. I have been scanning and stitching my 6x17 stuff.

What is the actual problems with the V700? Should I get the V700 or keep
using the Minolta film scanner.

r

 

[1Scan]

Rob,
Sorry to be late in replying. No, there is NO scanning problem with the V700
on most normal film. But it does not have the dmax of the Nikon and thus
does not penetrate dark matter as well as the nikon, neither does it have
multi-scan and I think that the dedicated Nikon is slightly sharper and,
does a better job with it's ice and grain reduction. That said, I still
recommend the Epson V700 for those that do not wish to spend thousands ona
Nikon. The Epson has similar 4000 dpi scanning. And of course unless you
have the Nikon 5000, medium format and 127 still have to be done on the
Epson.   I can manage 126 on the Nikon. Also, the V700 can do multiple batch
strip or slide up to 24 at a time!

Ed

Eddie

I agree with Eddie, we have V750 scanners for the same reasons. For
the vast majority of our clients an Epson scan is every bit as good as
a Nikon scan.

But the Epson has one big advantage over Nikon - you can buy one new,
today. And it comes with Silverfast too.

Jeff Underwood
1Scan.co.uk

 

[Rob]

Rob,
Sorry to be late in replying. No, there is NO scanning problem with the V700
on most normal film. But it does not have the dmax of the Nikon and thus
does not penetrate dark matter as well as the nikon, neither does it have
multi-scan and I think that the dedicated Nikon is slightly sharper and,
does a better job with it's ice and grain reduction. That said, I still
recommend the Epson V700 for those that do not wish to spend thousands on a
Nikon. The Epson has similar 4000 dpi scanning. And of course unless you
have the Nikon 5000, medium format and 127 still have to be done on the
Epson. I can manage 126 on the Nikon. Also, the V700 can do multiple batch
strip or slide up to 24 at a time!

Ed

Eddie

Thanks in othere words its just a flatbed with higher specs.

Ill still keep my Minolta then for critical scans off my trannys.

 

[Rob]

I agree with Eddie, we have V750 scanners for the same reasons. For
the vast majority of our clients an Epson scan is every bit as good as
a Nikon scan.

But the Epson has one big advantage over Nikon - you can buy one new,
today. And it comes with Silverfast too.

Jeff Underwood
1Scan.co.uk

Thanks

 

[Rob]

Do so. But the Epson is not, 'Just a flatbed'. I reckon its the top of the
range of any others.

Eddie

Just looked at the specs and the dmax is not so hot at 4.0 whereas the
Minolta is 4.8 but then again what can be achieved in Photoshop may
compensate for this with a little fiddle.

I haven't used the Minolta in over 5 years and can't remember the
sequence to arrive at the dmax of 4.8. But Ill load the software and see
once again what happens.

I haven't picked up a film camera in 7 years. Things change people want
newer images but at last people are after my archival stuff. Some of my
negs will require Digital ROC.

 

[Rob]

Rob, always beware of Dmax specs. Even Epson's 4.0 is suspect. But your
Minolta will certainly be better in that regards. The Epson V700/750 is
brilliant for medium sized negs/slides, unless of course, your Minolta does
that or you can afford a Nikon 5000 or above.

As for dmax, you can't compensate in photoshop as, if the detail is not
there photoshop will not bring it out, just noise. (bit like digital zoom,
enlarges the image but does not bring up extra detail which optical zoom
does) With good scanners you can use multi-pass, high bitrate format and
analog gain, which can force it's way through dense negs/slides. More detail
will be available with less noise. Photoshop's noise reduction is poor, I
use neat image which is good, and for sharpening, Focus magic. Post
processing in Photoshop with levels and curves etc will match the digital
ROC of scanners, though I must say Nikon's isn't bad, Vuescan is very good
most of the time. Also, the Nikon/Vuescan grain reduction is better than
Epson's.

Last word Nikon Dmax is supposedly 4.2, Minolta 4.8, so your's is better,
but overal quality also relies on lens, mirros, focus sys etc. But I do know
that Minolta's are good. Much better than the Pustek's and their suspect
specs. And as for those cheapie so-called neg scanners...they are not, just
5MP cmos thingies that basically copy, not scan a pic

Eddie

Its the Minolta Scan Multi pro which will scan 35mm at 4800 and MF at
3200?? It does a multi pass scan to maximise the Dmax It scans up to
6x9 film.

Found the specs here (if you can believe Ken Rockwell) who disputes the
Dmax.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/minolta/mpspex.htm

Now to find the drivers for the scanner if not Ill get Vuescan working.
Hoping it works with Windows 7.

 

[Rob]

Rob, always beware of Dmax specs. Even Epson's 4.0 is suspect. But your
Minolta will certainly be better in that regards. The Epson V700/750 is
brilliant for medium sized negs/slides, unless of course, your Minolta does
that or you can afford a Nikon 5000 or above.

As for dmax, you can't compensate in photoshop as, if the detail is not
there photoshop will not bring it out, just noise. (bit like digital zoom,
enlarges the image but does not bring up extra detail which optical zoom
does) With good scanners you can use multi-pass, high bitrate format and
analog gain, which can force it's way through dense negs/slides. More detail
will be available with less noise. Photoshop's noise reduction is poor, I
use neat image which is good, and for sharpening, Focus magic. Post
processing in Photoshop with levels and curves etc will match the digital
ROC of scanners, though I must say Nikon's isn't bad, Vuescan is very good
most of the time. Also, the Nikon/Vuescan grain reduction is better than
Epson's.

Last word Nikon Dmax is supposedly 4.2, Minolta 4.8, so your's is better,
but overal quality also relies on lens, mirros, focus sys etc. But I do know
that Minolta's are good. Much better than the Pustek's and their suspect
specs. And as for those cheapie so-called neg scanners...they are not, just
5MP cmos thingies that basically copy, not scan a pic

Eddie

This is a better review of the Minolta.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/DSMP/DSMA.HTM

I was scanning my 6x17 film twice and stitching them together.

 

[Eddie]

Its the Minolta Scan Multi pro which will scan 35mm at 4800 and MF at
3200?? It does a multi pass scan to maximise the Dmax It scans up to 6x9
film.

Found the specs here (if you can believe Ken Rockwell) who disputes the
Dmax.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/minolta/mpspex.htm

Now to find the drivers for the scanner if not Ill get Vuescan working.
Hoping it works with Windows 7.

Yes, Vuescan works with Windows 7...at least 32 bit, not sure of 64 bit but
I think it does.

Eddie

 

[Eddie]

This is a better review of the Minolta.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/DSMP/DSMA.HTM

I was scanning my 6x17 film twice and stitching them together.

Then the Epson v700/750 is for you!

Eddie

 

[Eddie]

Its the Minolta Scan Multi pro which will scan 35mm at 4800 and MF at
3200?? It does a multi pass scan to maximise the Dmax It scans up to 6x9
film.

4800...impressive. The Epson V700/750 will scan at either 4000 or 4800
optical res

Eddie