product or way to disable xp from modifying file Last Modified Dates for daylight savings time?

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Is there some workaround or 3rd party product to stop Windows from
changing the dates on your files when Daylight Savings Time comes
around? (see below for details)

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Does anyone know how to disable Windows NT/2000/XP from changing the
Date/Time
Stamps of the file system when the "Automatically adjust clock for
daylight
savings changes" is on?

I do like the auto time change, but why in the world does have to
change the
data/time stamps on every file on the drive? It really screws up my
back-up
system.


In case you haven't seen this in action, try this:


1) Bring up the File Explore in Windows.
2) Bring up the Date/Time Properties window.
3) Click on the "Time Zone" tab.
4) Check (or uncheck) the "Automatically adjust clock for daylight
savings
changes" check box.
5) Go back to the File Explorer and press F5 (refresh).
6) Notice that every time stamp, on every file, has been changed by one
hour.


Question: Why should a file saved on Friday at 5pm (before daylight
savings)
display a time of 6pm on Monday morning? IMO, it shouldn't.... Looks
like a bug
to me.


TIA,
-Steve-


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Thanks. In other words, MS says it's a "feature" not a bug. I guess
it might be
for some, but not to me or my customers.

-Steve-









Does anyone know how to disable Windows NT/2000/XP from changing the Date/Time
Stamps of the file system when the "Automatically adjust clock for daylight
savings changes" is on?


Knowledge Base

Time Stamp Changes with Daylight SavingsPSS ID Number: 129574


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Noticed something interesting today...if you right click
on the clock, select Adjust Date/Time, look at Date Time
Properties, click the time zone tab and uncheck the
Automatically adjust clock for daylight savings changes,
then click apply...you will see the time change back one
hour. What's interesting is if you go into Windows
Explorer and select some files...any Word doc will do...as
soon as you select the file, the time changes on the file
as well...this should not happen...has anyone else
experienced this? We're running Windows XPSP1 on the
desktops in an Active Directory environment.

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Time is relative. Just ask Einstein.

Yes, that is what happens, what difference does it make? The file
system is echoing your current time (-7:00 from GMT).


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Jeff
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| Noticed something interesting today...if you right click
| on the clock, select Adjust Date/Time, look at Date Time
| Properties, click the time zone tab and uncheck the
| Automatically adjust clock for daylight savings changes,
| then click apply...you will see the time change back one
| hour. What's interesting is if you go into Windows
| Explorer and select some files...any Word doc will do...as
| soon as you select the file, the time changes on the file
| as well...this should not happen...has anyone else
| experienced this? We're running Windows XPSP1 on the
| desktops in an Active Directory environment.

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It makes a huge difference when trying to synchronize files on
removable
media or on computers with an operating system (e.g., Windows 98) where

the file date stamp is unaffected by the system time setting (except of

course for creation or modification). This happens with every daylight
savings time shift. Terrible nuisance, and no obvious benefit.

David Jones



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Time is relative. Just ask Einstein.
Yes, that is what happens, what difference does it make? The file systemis echoing your current time (-7:00 from GMT).



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My recollection is that Win 98 accomodates DST. Are you absolutely sure

the sync process doesn't indeed work? (e.g. recognising DST).

DO you have the location set correctly on all machines.?


Hope this is useful to you. Let us know.


rms



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It makes a huge difference when trying to synchronize files on removable
media or on computers with an operating system (e.g., Windows 98) where
the file date stamp is unaffected by the system time setting (except of
course for creation or modification). This happens with every daylight
savings time shift. Terrible nuisance, and no obvious benefit.
David Jones

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Windows 98 does automatically adjust the clock for DST, but to my
recollection, it does not muck around with preexisting file date
stamps.
I recall after the change last weekend seeing a huge number of files
that needed to be synchonized between a Win 98 SE and a Win XP
computer,
and abandoned the process for that time. Will check again when I have
access to the computers and will report, unless someone else reports
sooner.

David



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Rob said:
My recollection is that Win 98 accomodates DST. Are you absolutely sure
the sync process doesn't indeed work? (e.g. recognising DST).
DO you have the location set correctly on all machines.?

Hope this is useful to you. Let us know.



David E. Jones wrote:



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Following up my earlier message, here's what I found by comparing
systems:

Files on the XP Home computer have a file date moved ahead by 1 hour
compared with the same files on the Win 98 computer.


The XP computer's system clock is set to Eastern Standard Time. The
Time
Zone tab has Automatically adjust clock to Daylight Savings Time
unchecked, and the Internet Time tab has Automatically synchronize with

an Internet time server checked. I'm guessing these are the default
settings, since I don't recall making a change.


I did a comparison of files that SHOULD be duplicates on the two
computers. The file is an old one, from 1999. I viewed the file on each

local computer and also its location on the other computer over the
network. The files on the XP computer are one hour later than on the 98

computer. XP advance the file stamp by one hour when DST advanced one
hour.


The file viewed on the Win XP computer:
File on Win XP: 7:43am
File on Win 98: 6:43am (over network)


The file viewed on the Win 98 computer:
File on Win XP: 8:43am (over network)
File on Win 98: 7:43am


I tried changing the clock on the XP computer manually to an hour
earlier, but this did not change the file date/time stamp to an hour
earlier.


I'm guessing it's too late to do anything about synchronizing the
computers other than to copy the newer files to the other.


In the future, is there any way to avoid this twice-a-year problem?
Should I change the XP computers system clock to neither automatically
adjust clock to DST or to automatically synchronize with an Internet
time server?


Thanks.


David



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Windows 98 does automatically adjust the clock for DST, but to my
recollection, it does not muck around with preexisting file date stamps.
I recall after the change last weekend seeing a huge number of files
that needed to be synchonized between a Win 98 SE and a Win XP computer,
and abandoned the process for that time. Will check again when I have
access to the computers and will report, unless someone else reports
sooner.


Rob Schneider wrote:



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While I laud ms for putting GMT stamps on files, it is not
helpful to display a Dec ember file stamp as the time it
would have been if December had been on daylight savings
time. Aside from the overly complex synchornization
difficulties generated by this, some of us use time stamps
as an informal documentation of meeting a deadline.
Daylight savings time is totally irrelevant to a file
created on standard time. For me to manually figure out
the correct time with respect to daylight savings (i.e.
what time really was it on that April file) is a pain in
the ***. Win98 protocol was much more functional.


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My recollection is that Win 98 accomodates DST. Are you absolutely sure
the sync process doesn't indeed work? (e.g. recognising DST).
DO you have the location set correctly on all machines.?

Hope this is useful to you. Let us know.



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Mad said:
Is there some workaround or 3rd party product to stop Windows from
changing the dates on your files when Daylight Savings Time comes
around? (see below for details)

Daylight Savings Date BUG
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Does anyone know how to disable Windows NT/2000/XP from changing the
Date/Time
Stamps of the file system when the "Automatically adjust clock for
daylight
savings changes" is on?

I do like the auto time change, but why in the world does have to
change the
data/time stamps on every file on the drive? It really screws up my
back-up
system.


In case you haven't seen this in action, try this:


1) Bring up the File Explore in Windows.
2) Bring up the Date/Time Properties window.
3) Click on the "Time Zone" tab.
4) Check (or uncheck) the "Automatically adjust clock for daylight
savings
changes" check box.
5) Go back to the File Explorer and press F5 (refresh).
6) Notice that every time stamp, on every file, has been changed by one
hour.


Question: Why should a file saved on Friday at 5pm (before daylight
savings)
display a time of 6pm on Monday morning? IMO, it shouldn't.... Looks
like a bug
to me.


TIA,
-Steve-


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Thanks. In other words, MS says it's a "feature" not a bug. I guess
it might be
for some, but not to me or my customers.

-Steve-












Knowledge Base

Time Stamp Changes with Daylight SavingsPSS ID Number: 129574


Article Last Modified on 5/6/2003
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Noticed something interesting today...if you right click
on the clock, select Adjust Date/Time, look at Date Time
Properties, click the time zone tab and uncheck the
Automatically adjust clock for daylight savings changes,
then click apply...you will see the time change back one
hour. What's interesting is if you go into Windows
Explorer and select some files...any Word doc will do...as
soon as you select the file, the time changes on the file
as well...this should not happen...has anyone else
experienced this? We're running Windows XPSP1 on the
desktops in an Active Directory environment.

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Time is relative. Just ask Einstein.

Yes, that is what happens, what difference does it make? The file
system is echoing your current time (-7:00 from GMT).


--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________



"(e-mail address removed)"


| Noticed something interesting today...if you right click
| on the clock, select Adjust Date/Time, look at Date Time
| Properties, click the time zone tab and uncheck the
| Automatically adjust clock for daylight savings changes,
| then click apply...you will see the time change back one
| hour. What's interesting is if you go into Windows
| Explorer and select some files...any Word doc will do...as
| soon as you select the file, the time changes on the file
| as well...this should not happen...has anyone else
| experienced this? We're running Windows XPSP1 on the
| desktops in an Active Directory environment.

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It makes a huge difference when trying to synchronize files on
removable
media or on computers with an operating system (e.g., Windows 98) where

the file date stamp is unaffected by the system time setting (except of

course for creation or modification). This happens with every daylight
savings time shift. Terrible nuisance, and no obvious benefit.

David Jones



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My recollection is that Win 98 accomodates DST. Are you absolutely sure

the sync process doesn't indeed work? (e.g. recognising DST).

DO you have the location set correctly on all machines.?


Hope this is useful to you. Let us know.


rms



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Windows 98 does automatically adjust the clock for DST, but to my
recollection, it does not muck around with preexisting file date
stamps.
I recall after the change last weekend seeing a huge number of files
that needed to be synchonized between a Win 98 SE and a Win XP
computer,
and abandoned the process for that time. Will check again when I have
access to the computers and will report, unless someone else reports
sooner.

David



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Following up my earlier message, here's what I found by comparing
systems:

Files on the XP Home computer have a file date moved ahead by 1 hour
compared with the same files on the Win 98 computer.


The XP computer's system clock is set to Eastern Standard Time. The
Time
Zone tab has Automatically adjust clock to Daylight Savings Time
unchecked, and the Internet Time tab has Automatically synchronize with

an Internet time server checked. I'm guessing these are the default
settings, since I don't recall making a change.


I did a comparison of files that SHOULD be duplicates on the two
computers. The file is an old one, from 1999. I viewed the file on each

local computer and also its location on the other computer over the
network. The files on the XP computer are one hour later than on the 98

computer. XP advance the file stamp by one hour when DST advanced one
hour.


The file viewed on the Win XP computer:
File on Win XP: 7:43am
File on Win 98: 6:43am (over network)


The file viewed on the Win 98 computer:
File on Win XP: 8:43am (over network)
File on Win 98: 7:43am


I tried changing the clock on the XP computer manually to an hour
earlier, but this did not change the file date/time stamp to an hour
earlier.


I'm guessing it's too late to do anything about synchronizing the
computers other than to copy the newer files to the other.


In the future, is there any way to avoid this twice-a-year problem?
Should I change the XP computers system clock to neither automatically
adjust clock to DST or to automatically synchronize with an Internet
time server?


Thanks.


David



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While I laud ms for putting GMT stamps on files, it is not
helpful to display a Dec ember file stamp as the time it
would have been if December had been on daylight savings
time. Aside from the overly complex synchornization
difficulties generated by this, some of us use time stamps
as an informal documentation of meeting a deadline.
Daylight savings time is totally irrelevant to a file
created on standard time. For me to manually figure out
the correct time with respect to daylight savings (i.e.
what time really was it on that April file) is a pain in
the ***. Win98 protocol was much more functional.


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