Problem with "back" button / forms / search results / security

[Mark]

Often, when I try to use the back button in the browser,
I get an error saying "Warning: Page has Expired The page
you requested was created using information you submitted
in a form. This page is no longer available. As a
security precaution, Internet Explorer does not
automatically resubmit your information for you." I have
found two different MS knowledge base articles that
appear to address this: one is article 319792, which
says that I need the newest service pack / version of
IE. The other is article 183763, which says that I
should disable the "Do not save encrypted pages to disk"
option or get the newest version of IE. The problem is
that I have the newest version and all patches service
packs, etc. for IE, and the date of my copy of the dll
file discussed in the first kb article is well after the
date of the file "fixing" the problem. The setting
discussed in the second kb article is already disabled.
In addition, the second kb article says it applies to IE
4 in Win 95 -- I have IE 6.0.280.... in Win XP Pro. Any
ideas of what to try next?

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

Often, when I try to use the back button in the browser,

I get an error saying "Warning: Page has Expired

This is not always "an error." In most cases it is intended.

The simplest solution is to avoid the problem.
E.g. instead of "going back" to a search page
from a result page get into the habit of launching
the result page in its own window. Then to go back
all you need to do is close the window with the result.
Usually that will take you right back to the place where
you were when you first launched it, including having
keyboard focus on the link you last used,
which you wouldn't get otherwise.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle

 

[Mark]

Uhhh... Thanks for your insight, but I don't have a lot
of patience with the "That isn't a 'bug'-- it is
a 'desireable feature'" GoebbelSpeak that seems to be
characteristic of more than one entity in the modern
world.
I don't happen to regard it as a desireable feature, and
would like to get it to stop. For that matter, according
to the MS knowledgebase, "Microsoft has confirmed that
this is a problem.". My problem now is that what MS
says will fix the problem doesn't.
Whether you, I, or the Girl Next Door regards a given
thing as "good" or "bad" should not be the point --
especially not in the area of technical support -- the
point should be how to modify the tool to suit the user,
rather than modifying the user to suit the tool. I do
not intend to offend Mr. Aldwinckle, but anyone
suggesting that "the simplest solution is ...[for the
user] get into the habit of doing it differently" strikes
me as the height of arrogance.

Mark

 

[PA Bear]

99.9% of the time it's the website's coding which disables the Back
function, so your furor is misdirected.
--
HTH - Please Reply to This Thread

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP

AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect

Uhhh... Thanks for your insight, but I don't have a lot
of patience with the "That isn't a 'bug'-- it is
a 'desireable feature'" GoebbelSpeak that seems to be
characteristic of more than one entity in the modern
world.
I don't happen to regard it as a desireable feature, and
would like to get it to stop. For that matter, according
to the MS knowledgebase, "Microsoft has confirmed that
this is a problem.". My problem now is that what MS
says will fix the problem doesn't.
Whether you, I, or the Girl Next Door regards a given
thing as "good" or "bad" should not be the point --
especially not in the area of technical support -- the
point should be how to modify the tool to suit the user,
rather than modifying the user to suit the tool. I do
not intend to offend Mr. Aldwinckle, but anyone
suggesting that "the simplest solution is ...[for the
user] get into the habit of doing it differently" strikes
me as the height of arrogance.

Mark

-----Original Message-----

This is not always "an error." In most cases it is intended.

The simplest solution is to avoid the problem.
E.g. instead of "going back" to a search page
from a result page get into the habit of launching
the result page in its own window. Then to go back
all you need to do is close the window with the result.
Usually that will take you right back to the place where
you were when you first launched it, including having
keyboard focus on the link you last used,
which you wouldn't get otherwise.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---





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[PA Bear]

PS What did you pay for Internet Explorer, Mark?

 

[Mark]

Amazing -- Microsoft's KB says that it is a problem, and
tells one how to fix it -- except the fix doesn't fix;
Mr. Aldwinckle says that it isn't a problem at all --
Microsoft apparently planned IE that way to protect me,
and I just need to adapt to the machine; and PA Bear
intimates that it is a problem, but the problem is with
the web site rather than the browser.

It is so difficult to know who to believe these days.

I wonder if the blame should be assigned to my parents,
since they were the ones that came up with this odd
genetic characteristic that I have which causes perfectly
good software to develop bugs.

PA Bear, although it strikes me that it is neither
pertinent nor something that need concern you, but my
best ballpark guess is that I paid about $450 for this
version of Internet Explorer -- about $200 for the
upgrade to Win XP Pro itself, around $100 for more RAM
and maybe $150 for a larger hard drive. That, of course,
doesn't count the time spent tinkering to get XP
functional, hunting down new drivers, reading support
sites, and so on.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
99.9% of the time it's the website's coding which disables the Back
function, so your furor is misdirected.

PS What did you pay for Internet Explorer, Mark?
--
~PA Bear

--
HTH - Please Reply to This Thread

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP

AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect

Uhhh... Thanks for your insight, but I don't have a lot
of patience with the "That isn't a 'bug'-- it is
a 'desireable feature'" GoebbelSpeak that seems to be
characteristic of more than one entity in the modern
world.
I don't happen to regard it as a desireable feature, and
would like to get it to stop. For that matter, according
to the MS knowledgebase, "Microsoft has confirmed that
this is a problem.". My problem now is that what MS
says will fix the problem doesn't.
Whether you, I, or the Girl Next Door regards a given
thing as "good" or "bad" should not be the point --
especially not in the area of technical support -- the
point should be how to modify the tool to suit the user,
rather than modifying the user to suit the tool. I do
not intend to offend Mr. Aldwinckle, but anyone
suggesting that "the simplest solution is ...[for the
user] get into the habit of doing it differently" strikes
me as the height of arrogance.

Mark

-----Original Message-----

This is not always "an error." In most cases it is intended.

The simplest solution is to avoid the problem.
E.g. instead of "going back" to a search page
from a result page get into the habit of launching
the result page in its own window. Then to go back
all you need to do is close the window with the result.
Usually that will take you right back to the place where
you were when you first launched it, including having
keyboard focus on the link you last used,
which you wouldn't get otherwise.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


Often, when I try to use the back button in the browser,
I get an error saying "Warning: Page has Expired The page
you requested was created using information you submitted
in a form. This page is no longer available. As a
security precaution, Internet Explorer does not
automatically resubmit your information for you." I have
found two different MS knowledge base articles that
appear to address this: one is article 319792, which
says that I need the newest service pack / version of
IE. The other is article 183763, which says that I
should disable the "Do not save encrypted pages to disk"
option or get the newest version of IE. The problem is
that I have the newest version and all patches service
packs, etc. for IE, and the date of my copy of the dll
file discussed in the first kb article is well after the
date of the file "fixing" the problem. The setting
discussed in the second kb article is already disabled.
In addition, the second kb article says it applies to IE
4 in Win 95 -- I have IE 6.0.280.... in Win XP Pro. Any
ideas of what to try next?


.

.

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

Amazing -- Microsoft's KB says that it is a problem, and
tells one how to fix it -- except the fix doesn't fix;

I suspect that you are overgeneralizing from a specific bug report.
E.g. there was an instance of this feature which should not have occurred,
Microsoft made a fix which removed that instance of it, but left the feature
intact and now you are misinterpreting the article about removing the
erroneous instance as a try to remove the feature and complaining
because you are seeing *legitimate* instances of it.


---

Mr. Aldwinckle says that it isn't a problem at all --
Microsoft apparently planned IE that way to protect me,
and I just need to adapt to the machine; and PA Bear
intimates that it is a problem, but the problem is with
the web site rather than the browser.

It is so difficult to know who to believe these days.

I wonder if the blame should be assigned to my parents,
since they were the ones that came up with this odd
genetic characteristic that I have which causes perfectly
good software to develop bugs.

PA Bear, although it strikes me that it is neither
pertinent nor something that need concern you, but my
best ballpark guess is that I paid about $450 for this
version of Internet Explorer -- about $200 for the
upgrade to Win XP Pro itself, around $100 for more RAM
and maybe $150 for a larger hard drive. That, of course,
doesn't count the time spent tinkering to get XP
functional, hunting down new drivers, reading support
sites, and so on.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
99.9% of the time it's the website's coding which disables the Back
function, so your furor is misdirected.

PS What did you pay for Internet Explorer, Mark?
--
~PA Bear

--
HTH - Please Reply to This Thread

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP

AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect

Uhhh... Thanks for your insight, but I don't have a lot
of patience with the "That isn't a 'bug'-- it is
a 'desireable feature'" GoebbelSpeak that seems to be
characteristic of more than one entity in the modern
world.
I don't happen to regard it as a desireable feature, and
would like to get it to stop. For that matter, according
to the MS knowledgebase, "Microsoft has confirmed that
this is a problem.". My problem now is that what MS
says will fix the problem doesn't.
Whether you, I, or the Girl Next Door regards a given
thing as "good" or "bad" should not be the point --
especially not in the area of technical support -- the
point should be how to modify the tool to suit the user,
rather than modifying the user to suit the tool. I do
not intend to offend Mr. Aldwinckle, but anyone
suggesting that "the simplest solution is ...[for the
user] get into the habit of doing it differently" strikes
me as the height of arrogance.

Mark

-----Original Message-----

This is not always "an error." In most cases it is intended.

The simplest solution is to avoid the problem.
E.g. instead of "going back" to a search page
from a result page get into the habit of launching
the result page in its own window. Then to go back
all you need to do is close the window with the result.
Usually that will take you right back to the place where
you were when you first launched it, including having
keyboard focus on the link you last used,
which you wouldn't get otherwise.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


Often, when I try to use the back button in the browser,
I get an error saying "Warning: Page has Expired The page
you requested was created using information you submitted
in a form. This page is no longer available. As a
security precaution, Internet Explorer does not
automatically resubmit your information for you." I have
found two different MS knowledge base articles that
appear to address this: one is article 319792, which
says that I need the newest service pack / version of
IE. The other is article 183763, which says that I
should disable the "Do not save encrypted pages to disk"
option or get the newest version of IE. The problem is
that I have the newest version and all patches service
packs, etc. for IE, and the date of my copy of the dll
file discussed in the first kb article is well after the
date of the file "fixing" the problem. The setting
discussed in the second kb article is already disabled.
In addition, the second kb article says it applies to IE
4 in Win 95 -- I have IE 6.0.280.... in Win XP Pro. Any
ideas of what to try next?


.

.

 

[PA Bear]

WinXP and IE6-SP1 worked fine for me, "right outta the box," without any
tinkering, as it has for tens (if not hundreds) of millions of others.

Most often it's better to learn what an application /does/ instead of trying
to find out why it /doesn't/ do what you think it should do. Of course,
YMMV.
--
~PA Bear

Mark wrote:

pertinent nor something that need concern you, but my
best ballpark guess is that I paid about $450 for this
version of Internet Explorer -- about $200 for the
upgrade to Win XP Pro itself, around $100 for more RAM
and maybe $150 for a larger hard drive. That, of course,
doesn't count the time spent tinkering to get XP
functional, hunting down new drivers, reading support
sites, and so on.

-----Original Message-----
99.9% of the time it's the website's coding which disables the Back
function, so your furor is misdirected.

PS What did you pay for Internet Explorer, Mark?

--
HTH - Please Reply to This Thread

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP

AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect

Uhhh... Thanks for your insight, but I don't have a lot
of patience with the "That isn't a 'bug'-- it is
a 'desireable feature'" GoebbelSpeak that seems to be
characteristic of more than one entity in the modern
world.
I don't happen to regard it as a desireable feature, and
would like to get it to stop. For that matter, according
to the MS knowledgebase, "Microsoft has confirmed that
this is a problem.". My problem now is that what MS
says will fix the problem doesn't.
Whether you, I, or the Girl Next Door regards a given
thing as "good" or "bad" should not be the point --
especially not in the area of technical support -- the
point should be how to modify the tool to suit the user,
rather than modifying the user to suit the tool. I do
not intend to offend Mr. Aldwinckle, but anyone
suggesting that "the simplest solution is ...[for the
user] get into the habit of doing it differently" strikes
me as the height of arrogance.

Mark

-----Original Message-----

This is not always "an error." In most cases it is intended.

The simplest solution is to avoid the problem.
E.g. instead of "going back" to a search page
from a result page get into the habit of launching
the result page in its own window. Then to go back
all you need to do is close the window with the result.
Usually that will take you right back to the place where
you were when you first launched it, including having
keyboard focus on the link you last used,
which you wouldn't get otherwise.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


Often, when I try to use the back button in the browser,
I get an error saying "Warning: Page has Expired The page
you requested was created using information you submitted
in a form. This page is no longer available. As a
security precaution, Internet Explorer does not
automatically resubmit your information for you." I have
found two different MS knowledge base articles that
appear to address this: one is article 319792, which
says that I need the newest service pack / version of
IE. The other is article 183763, which says that I
should disable the "Do not save encrypted pages to disk"
option or get the newest version of IE. The problem is
that I have the newest version and all patches service
packs, etc. for IE, and the date of my copy of the dll
file discussed in the first kb article is well after the
date of the file "fixing" the problem. The setting
discussed in the second kb article is already disabled.
In addition, the second kb article says it applies to IE
4 in Win 95 -- I have IE 6.0.280.... in Win XP Pro. Any
ideas of what to try next?


.

.