Problem with asus p3b-f and pci wireless netcard

[JK]

Hi

Newest bios on asus p3b-f
Windows xp with.

PCI wireless netcard is Trendnet tew-423pi, 54 Mbit/s
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94303&type=hardware

Is there something rotten about old motherboards and wireless pci
netcards ?

The router is Trendnet tew-432brp.
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94301&type=hardware

On others a little bit more modern MB this wireless works directly
with drivers even without the utility (Trendnet) installed, - and on
even longer distance.

Any ideas or similar experiences ?

mvh

John

 

[daytripper]

Hi

Newest bios on asus p3b-f
Windows xp with.

PCI wireless netcard is Trendnet tew-423pi, 54 Mbit/s
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94303&type=hardware

Is there something rotten about old motherboards and wireless pci
netcards ?

The router is Trendnet tew-432brp.
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94301&type=hardware

On others a little bit more modern MB this wireless works directly
with drivers even without the utility (Trendnet) installed, - and on
even longer distance.

Any ideas or similar experiences ?

mvh

Check the system requirements for the card and see what minimum revision PCI
support it requires.

The P2 and P3 family motherboards (440BX chipsets) supported PCI 2.1.
It's not unusual to find modern PCI cards that require 2.2 or higher...

/daytripper

 

[JK]

Check the system requirements for the card and see what minimum revision PCI
support it requires.

The P2 and P3 family motherboards (440BX chipsets) supported PCI 2.1.
It's not unusual to find modern PCI cards that require 2.2 or higher...

Thank you, it requires PCI 2.2

best regards

John

 

[JK]

Check the system requirements for the card and see what minimum revision PCI
support it requires.

The P2 and P3 family motherboards (440BX chipsets) supported PCI 2.1.
It's not unusual to find modern PCI cards that require 2.2 or higher...

Does anybody know of a brand having a wireless pci netcard only
requiering pci 2.1 ?

I have looked at some linksys and dlink cards and did not find it.

Any ideas ?

TIA

John

 

[JK]

Check the system requirements for the card and see what minimum revision PCI
support it requires.

The P2 and P3 family motherboards (440BX chipsets) supported PCI 2.1.
It's not unusual to find modern PCI cards that require 2.2 or higher...

It seams that you are wrong. The manual states, that pci is 2.2, but
in bios 2.1 pci can be disabled/enabled.

I will try with changing bios setting, and/or refresh windows.

best regards

John

 

[Paul]

It seams that you are wrong. The manual states, that pci is 2.2, but
in bios 2.1 pci can be disabled/enabled.

I will try with changing bios setting, and/or refresh windows.

best regards

John

What exactly is the problem you are having ?

Some 440BX motherboard simply ignore certain PCI cards.
Is your wireless card ignored ? Or is it detected
and resources assigned by the BIOS ?

If the problem is transmission distance, that is
harder to explain as a motherboard fault.

Paul

 

[JK]

What exactly is the problem you are having ?

Some 440BX motherboard simply ignore certain PCI cards.
Is your wireless card ignored ? Or is it detected
and resources assigned by the BIOS ?

If the problem is transmission distance, that is
harder to explain as a motherboard fault.

The problem is that wireless card is not working. Utility for the card
not working, and not working with standard XP either.

It cannot connect.

best regards

John

 

[Paul]

The problem is that wireless card is not working. Utility for the card
not working, and not working with standard XP either.

It cannot connect.

best regards

John

The reason I ask, is I wonder if the card can be seen in
Linux but not in Windows ? Is the card completely invisible
to any software probes ?

Paul

 

[JK]

The reason I ask, is I wonder if the card can be seen in
Linux but not in Windows ? Is the card completely invisible
to any software probes ?

The card is visible in device manager. In windows XP. But software is
not working. (built-in windows for wireless, and the utility from
trendnet).

There is a bios setting pci2.1 enable/disable. I will try with
disable, and see if that helps. Probably refresh windows installation
due a lot of children crap on the computer.

John

 

[Paul]

The card is visible in device manager. In windows XP. But software is
not working. (built-in windows for wireless, and the utility from
trendnet).

There is a bios setting pci2.1 enable/disable. I will try with
disable, and see if that helps. Probably refresh windows installation
due a lot of children crap on the computer.

John

That is a positive sign. Don't give up yet.

The manual mentions "passive release" and "delayed transaction".
The "delayed transaction" allows work to be done, when a slow
device is not ready to return PCI data. It is a good thing, and
results in more usable PCI bandwidth on average. The stalled
transaction is retried at regular intervals, until the slow
device becomes ready.

Delayed transaction and passive release are explained in these
two articles:

http://www.rojakpot.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?Lang=0&bogno=58
http://www.rojakpot.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?Lang=0&bogno=125

Have you tried looking at the card with Sisoft Sandra, Everest,
or one of the other Windows utilities ? Are there any resources
that are different or missing, when the card is in the P3B-F
versus your other computers ?

Paul

 

[Hackworth]

Hi

Newest bios on asus p3b-f
Windows xp with.

PCI wireless netcard is Trendnet tew-423pi, 54 Mbit/s
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94303&type=hardware

Is there something rotten about old motherboards and wireless pci
netcards ?

The router is Trendnet tew-432brp.
http://www.compumail.dk/vare-oversigt.php?varenummer=94301&type=hardware

On others a little bit more modern MB this wireless works directly
with drivers even without the utility (Trendnet) installed, - and on
even longer distance.

Any ideas or similar experiences ?

I've always had rotten luck getting wireless network cards (Linksys and
D-Link) to work on older motherboards. I monkeyed around with BIOS settings
after doing research online, I updated drivers, blah blah, but no luck.

For older systems, I've had much better luck with USB wireless network
adapters that just plug into a USB port. That's still no guarantee, however,
because sometimes it takes a couple tries before the connection occurs. With
Linksys equipment, the newer (v. 2 or higher) USB wireless adapters seem to
be much better at grabbing and holding a connection.

 

[JK]

I've always had rotten luck getting wireless network cards (Linksys and
D-Link) to work on older motherboards. I monkeyed around with BIOS settings
after doing research online, I updated drivers, blah blah, but no luck.

For older systems, I've had much better luck with USB wireless network
adapters that just plug into a USB port. That's still no guarantee, however,
because sometimes it takes a couple tries before the connection occurs. With
Linksys equipment, the newer (v. 2 or higher) USB wireless adapters seem to
be much better at grabbing and holding a connection.

That is what I will try, yes. Usb 11 Mbit/s, because usb 2.0 pci
adapters requires pci 2.2 also.

best regards

John

 

[JK]

That is a positive sign. Don't give up yet.

The manual mentions "passive release" and "delayed transaction".
The "delayed transaction" allows work to be done, when a slow
device is not ready to return PCI data. It is a good thing, and
results in more usable PCI bandwidth on average. The stalled
transaction is retried at regular intervals, until the slow
device becomes ready.

Delayed transaction and passive release are explained in these
two articles:

http://www.rojakpot.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?Lang=0&bogno=58
http://www.rojakpot.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?Lang=0&bogno=125

Have you tried looking at the card with Sisoft Sandra, Everest,
or one of the other Windows utilities ? Are there any resources
that are different or missing, when the card is in the P3B-F
versus your other computers ?

Well, first I checked bios and saw no PCI 2.1 enable/disable. This was
1008 beta bios. So I flashed 1006 final instead. After exchange of
cpucode.exe in bios, because I use a tualatin celeron 1200.

Reinstalled windows.

Checked with sisoft sandra that it regards pci as 2.1 ! Revision of MB
is 1.04, and manual even version1 says on page 9 that pci 2.2 !

Tried with and without the TrendNet utility (uninstalled it now and
then).

Then during 1 1/2 late hours I saw the netcard connect 3 times and
keep the connection. It is randomly unsure if will do it. Then when I
have it, I can reboot and have problems again. I also fiddled with sp2
firewall and set some router request allowed inward.

I did not find anything like passive release and delayed transaction
in bios.

So I think I will go for a usb 1 dongle, 11 Mbit/s. Buy it on my way
home.
Usb 2 pci card also requires pci 2.2 (gives 54 Mbit/s).

best regards and thanks

John