Powering case fan with AC adapter

J

Jeff

I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to power
the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for ~500mA
(like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the wires
together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA. Anyone got
a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for cooling the
cabinet?
 
G

GlowingBlueMist

Jeff said:
I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to
power the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for
~500mA (like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the
wires together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA.
Anyone got a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for
cooling the cabinet?
Actually no need to use a transformer as you can get fans that use
commercial power. Here is an example of one that is for 120v at RadioShack.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...&cp=&sr=1&origkw=fan&kw=fan&parentPage=search

Using a transformer as you describe will work but why add the extra hardware
if it is not needed.
 
J

Jeff

...

Actually no need to use a transformer as you can get fans that use
commercial power. Here is an example of one that is for 120v at
RadioShack.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...&cp=&sr=1&origkw=fan&kw=fan&parentPage=search

Using a transformer as you describe will work but why add the extra
hardware if it is not needed.

I did not read your whole response before replying the first time. I've got
a variety of 60 and 120 mm case fans sitting in a drawer, and I've probably
got an old AC-DC transformer somewhere also. I was thinking I could do it
with stuff I've already got. If I can't find an old transformer, a new
transformer would still be cheaper than that 3" 120V fan.
 
P

Paul

Jeff said:
I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to power
the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for ~500mA
(like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the wires
together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA. Anyone got
a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for cooling the
cabinet?

Case fans come in all sorts of ratings. I have a 120mm square fan, that is
rated at 110CFM, and it draws around 1 amp. I also have one of these, and
it draws 0.1 amp or so, just like you suggest.

"Vantec Stealth"
http://www.svc.com/8027cfm210db.html

One benefit of using DC, is you can vary the voltage and get a different
fan speed. If you bought one of these, the 7.5, 9, and 12V switch
settings, would give you low, medium, and high speed for your fan.
But with the Stealth like the one above, I run that one at 12V all
the time, because it is pretty quiet. The 110CFM fan, I run that
at "low" all the time.

3-12VDC/1000mA Regulated AC-to-DC Adapter $40
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049693

Since that adapter is $40, only buy that if the boss is paying
for it :)

You can also use a Zalman FanMate II to control the fan speed.
They are pretty cheap (combine your fixed voltage adapter and
the FanMate and that is cheaper than the $40 adapter). I think
the FanMate can control a 6 watt load, which is 12V at 0.5A, so
for your 0.1A fan, it would be a good choice.

Fanmate $4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118217

How much room do you have to install a fan ? It helps to use
a larger fan and run it at lower RPMs, if you have a choice.

The brushless DC fans are polarity sensitive, so only connect
+12V to the red wire, and GND to the black wire. Reversal could
damage the fan. Consult a motherboard manual, if you need a
reference to the pinout of a three pin fan header, and want
to verify which wire is which.

Paul
 
P

Paul

Jeff said:
I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to power
the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for ~500mA
(like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the wires
together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA. Anyone got
a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for cooling the
cabinet?

Case fans come in all sorts of ratings. I have a 120mm square fan, that is
rated at 110CFM, and it draws around 1 amp. I also have one of these, and
it draws 0.1 amp or so, just like you suggest.

"Vantec Stealth"
http://www.svc.com/8027cfm210db.html

One benefit of using DC, is you can vary the voltage and get a different
fan speed. If you bought one of these, the 7.5, 9, and 12V switch
settings, would give you low, medium, and high speed for your fan.
But with the Stealth like the one above, I run that one at 12V all
the time, because it is pretty quiet. The 110CFM fan, I run that
at "low" all the time.

3-12VDC/1000mA Regulated AC-to-DC Adapter $40
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049693

Since that adapter is $40, only buy that if the boss is paying
for it :)

You can also use a Zalman FanMate II to control the fan speed.
They are pretty cheap (combine your fixed voltage adapter and
the FanMate and that is cheaper than the $40 adapter). I think
the FanMate can control a 6 watt load, which is 12V at 0.5A, so
for your 0.1A fan, it would be a good choice.

Fanmate $4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118217

How much room do you have to install a fan ? It helps to use
a larger fan and run it at lower RPMs, if you have a choice.

The brushless DC fans are polarity sensitive, so only connect
+12V to the red wire, and GND to the black wire. Reversal could
damage the fan. Consult a motherboard manual, if you need a
reference to the pinout of a three pin fan header, and want
to verify which wire is which.

Paul
 
B

Bennett Price

Jeff said:
I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to power
the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for ~500mA
(like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the wires
together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA. Anyone got
a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for cooling the
cabinet?
Be sure to get an adapter that puts out 12 volts DC, not AC; the Radio
Shack URL you are posting is for 12v AC. Perhaps just putting holes in
the cabinet will be sufficient.
 
K

kony

...

I did not read your whole response before replying the first time. I've got
a variety of 60 and 120 mm case fans sitting in a drawer, and I've probably
got an old AC-DC transformer somewhere also. I was thinking I could do it
with stuff I've already got. If I can't find an old transformer, a new
transformer would still be cheaper than that 3" 120V fan.


We can't see the cabinet so can only assume your holes and
fan position are complimentary.

If the gigabit switch is all that is in this cabinet, and it
isn't some old monster sized thing that uses a lot of power,
a reasonably small fan at low RPM should be sufficient, no
need to create more noise, dust buildup and fan wear going
overboard (unless you realistically plan on adding more
significant heat generating gear to this cabinet.

Tiny fans, and thinner ones, tend to be balanced worse and
may have poor bearings (relatively speaking). An 80mm x
25mm might be ideal, ran at lowest RPM that will allow the
fan to spin up reliably, unless the ambient environment
outside the cabinet is also hot, then a bit higher airflow
might be useful.

You could use the Radio Shack AC output wart and add your
own bridge rectifier and capacitor to make it DC output for
the fan, but why? Just get an AC-DC wart instead if you
didn't have one suitable.

Keep in mind that a "12V, 500mA", AC, or AC-DC wart that is
unregulated as many are, will float above the labeled
voltage with no load on it... by roughly

(voltage * 1.41) - 1.3V = unloaded voltage

The 1.3V takes into account the voltage drop from a couple
of diodes forming the bridge rectifier if you were
wondering. Point is, if you chose an AC wart then rectified
and smoothed it with diodes and capacitors, or bough a wart
with these parts already inside (thus the AC-DC type), since
the fan is using less than 500mA, the resultant voltage the
fan would see will still be floating higher than 12V.

Do you see what I'm getting at? A 12V 500mA DC output wart
would supply, perhaps closer to 14V to a typical low RPM
fan. You could use a method of fan speed controller, to
throttle it back down like one of the more elaborate PWM
controllers (but you won't need constant readjustment most
likely and it is a large increase in cost for the project)
or more simple method like an inline series resistor or IC
regulator chip like an LM7809 (for 9V, so the lower voltage
results in lower speed operation).

IMO, the better alternative is to just pick a lower voltage
AC-DC wart, and ideally one with a fair amount of current
margin so it's not running hot long term. For example with
the typically spec'd 12V, 0.15A computer case fans you might
seek a 5V, 200mA or higher current wart. The fan might
consume some small amount less than 100mA, might still run
a little faster/louder than required for the job.

If you want to use only parts you already have (since that
Radio Shack wart is expensive for what it is, as are all
Radio Shack warts, you can buy a basic wart online and have
it cheaper even with shipping charges added on)
For example,
http://www.bgmicro.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=11223
though being 7.5V, the fan might spin faster than needed.
The following is quite overkill but still a great value and
might be most versatile,
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G8606
but really you probably having something suitable, a wart
from an old cordless phone or some other consumer
electronics device. If the voltage rating is much higher
than 8-9V (keep current rating at 200mA or more) then you
probably want a controller added, I would use a series
resistor in the 1-240 Ohm, 2W range (depending on what wart
voltage @ fan load was), making assumptions that your fans
are typical brushless DC as found in a computer case.

Most AC fans are pretty high speed, I'd think them the worst
alternative considering that, the price, and having to run
the AC into the cabinet which is a slight addt'l risk and
the cord should be routed with safety in mind. IMO, avoid
running AC into a cabinet unless you are going to do it to
electricial code, for reasons other than powering the fan
(to have a multioutlet strip inside for powering the other
gear using AC power).
 
N

Noozer

Jeff said:
I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to
power the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for
~500mA (like this one ... http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the
wires together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA.
Anyone got a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for
cooling the cabinet?

Well, if you don't already have ventilation in the cabinet, why not just cut
a hole open to let the heat escape?
 
J

jameshanley39

I've got a wiring cabinet that is getting kinda warm due to the gigabit
switch inside. I'm thinking of cutting a hole to mount a case fan near the
top of the cover and some smaller intake holes at the bottom. Then to power
the fan, I'm thinking of picking up a 9V or 12V AC adapter rated for ~500mA
(like this one ...http://tinyurl.com/yrbf5y) and splicing the wires
together. Best I can tell, case fans generally draw about 100mA. Anyone got
a reason why this wouldn't work, or a better suggestion for cooling the
cabinet?

not necessarily a better option. But there are AC-DC adaptors with
Molex or SATA power connectors on them. So they are like the end of a
PSU.

They come with USB-IDE adaptors.
Note- some of the cheaper USB-IDE adaptors have not so good AC-DC
adaptors. The good USB-IDE adaptors are the purple ones!
You may be able to get it separately.

But it's prob easiest to cut them as you say.

You could remove /saw off the back or part of the back of the
cabinet! Or just saw a hole in the middle of it. The back may serve
some structural purpose. But I might bet that a hole wouldn't hurt it.
(if it's a cheap cupboard and it's mine!)
 

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